<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans:

Weight: 188000kg
Lenght: 10.09m
Width: 3.67m
Height: 3.63m
Armor (mm/angle): Turret Roof: 60/90
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That's not a tank, that's a freakin' fortress man http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/frown.gif Theres no point aruging, last time a heard, Hitler killed himself and the third reich collapsed. LOL. I do recall that some churchill tanks in the d-day landings unrolled mats infront of them so they didn't sink in the sand. But, the p1000 + p1500 + the Maus would need a bloody big mat! lol http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/wink.gif

Tim

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wouldnt these tanks be none cost effective? i mean money for all that armor would be hard to spare. And wouldnt those tanks be going very slow? damn id like to see that engine. I think a big thing like that would do poorly in battle against a faster lighter tank.

Mr Secretary of Defence. have u read my original post, the Maus would of been much much lighter than the p1000 + the p1500!!!!

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War is not a game, its for real.

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http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/eek.gif Actually, it would of used several engines!! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/eek.gif
infact :2 x MAN V12Z32/44 Diesel / 24-cylinder / 2 x 8500hp
or
8 x Daimler-Benz MB501 Diesel / 20-cylinder / 8 x 2000hp
or
two or four submarine engines

tim


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NaZi_Boy:
Mr Secretary of Defence. have u read my original post, the Maus would of been much much lighter than the p1000 + the p1500!!!!

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Yes, but the Maus was a Ultra-Heavy tank compared to the average sized tank of the day. The scary part is, it reached the prototype stage, they actually built the thing, and some say it even saw combat defending the factory where it was built! I would hate to be the poor bastard that had to fight that thing!

Most allied tank commanders trembled at the sight of Tigers. Those were really remarkable tanks.....

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Wow good info... http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

Hans:

Most scholars agree that the JS3 never saw combat. Russian propaganda says it fought in a few battles, but there are no reports from any German records, of them ever encountering the tank. That is why most agree that it never was able to get to the front fast enough, before the war ended. A tank that is produced but never sees battle, cannot be commented on, because their is no data to show how good it was in combat. It never saw combat, as far as 99% of historians are concerned. There is no data, so how can you comment on it? That's my point.

Let's compare the JS2 to the Tiger2:

First drawback of large heavy tanks are their slow speed. The JS2 has a road speed of 37km/hr...pretty slow, even for as heavy tank. The Tiger2 has a road speed of 40km/hr. In comparison, the Panther has a road speed of 46 km/hr. So, the JS2 just like every other heavy tank is slow...in fact, it's slower than most. It's turret traverse and acceleration was no better than any other heavy tank of the time, either. Road speed is what is the worst for both tanks, right around 20km/hr.

Another drawback is a large profile, easily seen by enemy tanks, infantry, AT guns, and enemy fighter bombers/bombers. The JS2 has a length of 9.83 meters, height of 2.73 meters, and width of 3.07 meters. The Tiger2 has a lenth of 8.45 meters (smaller), height of 2.93 meters (taller), and a width of 3.7 meters (wider). So as you can see, the JS2 and Tiger 2 are very comparable in size, and both tanks are massive, and very easily seen from long distances.

The JS2 really can't be compared to the Tiger. Only by 1943 had 100 been built. At that same time 649 Tigers had been built. The Tiger was made long before it, and it was put into service long before the JS2 ever was. Comparing the Tiger2 and JS2 is a better example. And if you compare the two, the Tiger2 would win any such encounter one on one.


Most would agree, however, that even the Tiger1 could take on the JS2. The 8.8cm KWK used on both the Tiger1 and Tiger2 had extremely high penetration. Add to that the specialized armor piercing ammunition employed with these tanks, and the penetration jumps even higher.

The JS line was a good heavy tank. It caused the German army a lot of problems, however, I believe, because Russia was able to produce a lot of them. The Germans had heavy tanks to combat the Russian heavies, it was just a matter of not being able to produce as many, as the Russians could.

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[This message has been edited by Wolfshook (edited August 14, 2001).]

You're right about the JSII and this heavy tank information. But I brought up the JSIII, as an example of a better heavy tank to use in your description then the tiger, going on the JSIII specs, it was the best heavy tank, anywhere at the end of WW2. I was saying you should use the best example of the heavy tank produced during WW2 in your description of heavy tanks. NOT that it suffer no draw-backs.

The Tiger2 is still the best heavy tank of the war, even if you compare it to the JS3. Just my opinion, though.

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