Ill take an abrams over that german thing anyday, american craftsmanship ownz biggrin:

These tests are nice and all, but you really never know which is the better until they have been out on the battlefield.

The new Leopard is one sweet lookin tank though!

And being a former crewman of an M1A1, they are not for the claustrophopic! But the drivers seat sure is comfy. biggrin:

well germans are a very smart race.

That info looks like it's for a tank board game or something. oOo:

"The radar is highly ineffective against ground targets (-60% to sensor rolls.)"
That info sure is from a war game, rolls reffering to dice.

"Rate of Fire: Usually once every four melee rounds; Effects are not cumulative."
^further proof. ^

[quote="Capt. John Miller":f569f]Ill take an abrams over that german thing anyday, american craftsmanship ownz biggrin:[/quote:f569f]

oh yes thats why most products in america are made outside of the country? yes good ol american craftsmanship (product made in Japan)

[quote="Founding_Law":21e30]well germans are a very smart race.[/quote:21e30]

Germans are not a race.

am I the only one who sees some of the Tiger tank in the Leopard?

[quote="CSF_Jaizen":6beba][quote="Capt. John Miller":6beba]Ill take an abrams over that german thing anyday, american craftsmanship ownz biggrin:[/quote:6beba]

oh yes thats why most products in america are made outside of the country? yes good ol american craftsmanship (product made in Japan)[/quote:6beba]

Its our factorys in japan though, and our people and japanese

[quote="Old Reliable":9ab8d]am I the only one who sees some of the Tiger tank in the Leopard?[/quote:9ab8d]

Umm they both have tracks and some guns.

[img]http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Leo2_Pics/Leopard-2-Austere-Version-C.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWtiger.jpg[/img]

[quote="Pfc.Green":b9a09]"The radar is highly ineffective against ground targets (-60% to sensor rolls.)"
That info sure is from a war game, rolls reffering to dice.

"Rate of Fire: Usually once every four melee rounds; Effects are not cumulative."
^further proof. ^[/quote:b9a09]

that's what I told teh meatheads a few posts up, but they just don't listen hake:

[quote="Pfc.Green":a1993]"The radar is highly ineffective against ground targets (-60% to sensor rolls.)"
That info sure is from a war game, rolls reffering to dice.

"Rate of Fire: Usually once every four melee rounds; Effects are not cumulative."
^further proof. ^[/quote:a1993]

that's what I told teh meatheads a few posts up, but they just don't listen hake:

don't diss the dice

haven't you ever seen those movies where the dice can be used as concussion grenades?

Abrams:
[img]http://www.squadron.com/old/M1A1%20PageMill/M1A1-1.jpg[/img]

Leopard:
[img]http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Leo2_Pics/Leopard-2-Austere-Version-C.jpg[/img]





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