yeah, but your a nazi...

[quote:daa03]Yes, I've studied WWII history for about 3 years now, and what zxcvnm posted is spot on, what hamster said reflects a bias based on ignorance of the true facts. The SS were murderers, the Waffen SS were nothing more than elite combat soldiers, no diffrent from the Rangers, Green Berets, or Navy SEALs.[/quote:daa03]

3rd SS Panzer Division Totenkopf
Probably the most notorious division in the entire Waffen SS. The main reason for this is that they provided the guards for the concentration camps with the initial members of this division when incorporated into the Waffen SS being ex-concentration camp guards. The most terrible crime ever perpetrated by the Nazi regime-the systematic extermination of Jews, gypsies, Slavs, priests and other so-called undesirables was implemented(along with other SS and SD organisations) by this division. As well as this their record on the battlefield is a reflection of their other activities. During the invasion of France in 1940 it was reported that they took no French colonial troops(mostly North Africans) prisoner.
When the Totenkopf was advancing towards Merville, an isolated pocket of resistance from some British troops held up the advance they eventually surrendered due to their ammunition supply running out. It was at this time that the British raised the white flag to surrender. The Germans came forward to dis-arm them but someone opened fire on them. A little later the prisoners were subdued and gave up their arms. They were marched into a field and members of the 4th Kompanie 2 Abteilung of this division, under the command of Obersturmführer Fritz Knoechlein murdered approximately 100 members of the 2nd Royal Norfolk Regiment at La Paridis. Apparently after the massacre Knoechlein, who was despised by other SS officers, went around like a madman looking for other prisoners to shoot. Amazingly two British soldiers survived, hiding under a pile of bodies. One was wounded in the leg and were forced to surrender later, after hiding for three days in a nearby farm.

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3rd SS Panzer Division Totenkopf
Probably the most notorious division in the entire Waffen SS. The main reason for this is that they provided the guards for the concentration camps with the initial members of this division when incorporated into the Waffen SS being ex-concentration camp guards. [/quote:a97be]
The camp guards were soldiers who were unfit for frontline duty and were placed under the commando of RFSS Kommando Stab, they were also in charge of the Einsatzgruppen and cowardinating Anti-Partisan sweeps. That same site also connects 3.SS Totenkopf with the Totenkopf Standarte when they was no correlation between the two, except the word Totenkopf, which seems to confuse most who have never studied the subject. So connecting any of the actuall SS Divisions to the camp guards is foolish. The order to execute prisoners was one given by officers, not the common soldiers. Whether or not they believed in the Nazi ideals is tough to determine there shouldn't be any reason why the average soldier should be connected with the KZs

Also it says that the founders of the 3.SS came from the camps when this is impossible, 3.SS was formed in 1939 and the first camps weren't built until 1941-42 with the exception of Dachau.

[quote:2db92]The camp guards were soldiers who were unfit for frontline duty and were placed under the commando of RFSS Kommando Stab, they were also in charge of the Einsatzgruppen and cowardinating Anti-Partisan sweeps. That same site also connects 3.SS Totenkopf with the Totenkopf Standarte when they was no correlation between the two, except the word Totenkopf, which seems to confuse most who have never studied the subject. So connecting any of the actuall SS Divisions to the camp guards is foolish. The order to execute prisoners was one given by officers, not the common soldiers. Whether or not they believed in the Nazi ideals is tough to determine there shouldn't be any reason why the average soldier should be connected with the KZs[/quote:2db92]


2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich
This division had arguably the best combat reputation from all the Waffen SS division and their record for atrocities would be reasonably clean if it was not for the crimes committed in France during the Allied invasion in 1944.
The 2nd SS had been the victims of constant acts of sabotage by the Marquis(French Resistance) on their way to front. The final straw came for a certain Sturmbannführer Dickmann when three members of his regiment were kidnapped by the resistance. One of the victims was the popular Sturmbannführer Helmut Kampfe,who was also a good friend of Dieckmann, who's staff car was discovered abandoned. His body was never found but it was presumed he had been murdered by the Maquis. Dieckmann had been told by the inhabitants of St Junien that a German Officer was being held prisoner at Oradour-sur-Glane. He was given permission to investigate and after arriving in the village with 120 men around 1pm, conducted an extensive search. No Officer was found and in reprisal he ordered the 3rd Company 1st Battalion of the Der Führer Regiment Das Reich (who were predominantly Austrian), to destroy the small village of Oradour-sur-Glane along with its inhabitants. The resulting actions can only be described as sheer butchery as the population was systematically shot, burned or mutilated in an orgy of killing. The end result was 190 men, 245 women and 207 children(including babies) were killed-642 in all. Some had been burnt to death others simply shot. There was one horrific account of a baby of no more than two years old who had been found shoved down a lavatory, stabbed to death with a bayonet. Only ten had managed to survive the slaughter by feigning death.


As you can see, these guys aren't prison guards but they are the notorious and beloved Waffen SS, your heroes...

They aren't my heroes moron, the average fighting man deserves the same respect you'd give to a brit soldier, ones like these:
[quote:67c9b]On January 30, 1972, soldiers from the British Army's 1st Parachute Regiment opened fire on unarmed and peaceful civilian demonstrators in the Bogside, Derry, Ireland, near the Rossville flats, killing 13 and wounding a number of others. One wounded man later died from illness attributed to that shooting.
The march, which was called to protest internment, was "illegal" according to British government authorities. Internment without trial was introduced by the British government on August 9, 1971.

The British-government-appointed Widgery Tribunal found soldiers were not guilty of shooting dead the 13 civilians in cold blood.

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Exactly but we all know the "brits got fired at first", yeah sure they did. Pathetic excuse.

Oh great...

Lets try and stick with the conversation, the Waffen SS may have fought with determination and honour at some times but that dosen't make their war crimes record any better. It's a fact that they killed civilians and murdered for no reason.

As far as brits and ww2 go we have a pretty clean record, that bloody sunday thing is offtopic and the guys who did that are murderer's and they should be locked up.

hahahah there selling waffen ss shirts. What kind of crazy bastard would buy that?

[quote="redhawk_six":9b300][quote=BallisticWookie]that's utter BS, the Waffen SS were some of the worst murderers there. That site is retarded[/quote:9b300]

Errrr, I was under the impression that was pretty spot on.[/quote:9b300]

Yes, I've studied WWII history for about 3 years now, and what zxcvnm posted is spot on, what hamster said reflects a bias based on ignorance of the true facts. The SS were murderers, the Waffen SS were nothing more than elite combat soldiers, no diffrent from the Rangers, Green Berets, or Navy SEALs.[/quote:9b300]

i'm just trying to point out that such a site may not be appreciated by alot of people (esp. here in europe - go tell my grandfather that the Waffen-SS need a website). You can't seriously say they were ' no different from the Rangers, Green Berets, or Navy SEALs', that's BS. Why? because they carried out the orders of the biggest f*ckhead ever. Willingly.

hahahah there selling waffen ss shirts. What kind of crazy bastard would buy that?

Re: Neat Waffen SS page...
 

[quote="Airborne Butters":8166c]I want too buy a shirt and poster[/quote:8166c]

Butters, apparently. oOo:


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[quote=Zoner91]Butters, apparently. oOo:


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I C?

[quote="hamsters united":4eebb][quote="redhawk_six":4eebb][quote=BallisticWookie]that's utter BS, the Waffen SS were some of the worst murderers there. That site is retarded[/quote:4eebb]

Errrr, I was under the impression that was pretty spot on.[/quote:4eebb]

Yes, I've studied WWII history for about 3 years now, and what zxcvnm posted is spot on, what hamster said reflects a bias based on ignorance of the true facts. The SS were murderers, the Waffen SS were nothing more than elite combat soldiers, no diffrent from the Rangers, Green Berets, or Navy SEALs.[/quote:4eebb]

i'm just trying to point out that such a site may not be appreciated by alot of people (esp. here in europe - go tell my grandfather that the Waffen-SS need a website). You can't seriously say they were ' no different from the Rangers, Green Berets, or Navy SEALs', that's BS. Why? because they carried out the orders of the biggest f*ckhead ever. Willingly.[/quote:4eebb]

They did not nessicerly carry out orders willingly, they faced death if they didn't do as they were told.

And I know some people might not apperciate such a site, I'm half Jewish, my grandmother escaped beoming a victyim of the holocaust by a matter of months.