josef stalin

yupppp, Stalin was a genius, although a mass murderer, a genius nonetheless.

I dont see how you can praise commies and condem nazis...the commies were as bad if not worse then the nazis....its kinda hypocritical.

pro comunist is "cool" but pro nazi & you will get called a jew killer.

Communism/Socialism is a form of government. Nazism is based on the beliefs of a political party. That's the difference. If someone were to go around saying "I live Facism" there's nothing wrong with that. Its the same as saying "I love Socialism" or I love Conservativeism". when you say "I love Nazi's" thats a different story.

well, Stalin was one evil sonofabitch, but when it comes down to it original intent is what makes communism different from nazi fascism. What I mean is that that Marx and all them (while rather deluded in their beliefs) never intended communism to involve mass murder, while the Nazis harped on the "ubermenchen" crap and conquering the world as their main platform.

[quote="Bean 2":7b3bb][quote="Old Reliable":7b3bb]yep, sad day as another 3 americans were killed. seems to repeat itself. check out the link in my sig ... say nein to bush[/quote:7b3bb]

You think that Clark is gonna pull out if he becomes president? I truely doubt it. Even on his site he says that hes gonna keep fighting. Also he wants to direct some of the resources from Iraq back into Afganhistan.[/quote:7b3bb]

from the looks of things, Clark is way behind.
appears that Kerry will be the Democratic candidate

[quote="Cpl. Eames":b3f1b]I dont see how you can praise commies and condem nazis...the commies were as bad if not worse then the nazis....its kinda hypocritical.[/quote:b3f1b]


Stalin's Communism killed all those people good sir. Not the "True people's communism" (Which is almost impossible to apply to any society).

All these guys getting killed is too bad... I'm not sure if the american government will ever realize you can't make people like you, by killing them.

Wesly Clark will never pull troops out of afganistan, or any where else for that matter, because Clark will never be the president... at least not this election.

The original intent of communism was to create a society of workers which could function without government in a utopian society. At which time the government would be dissolved. Obviously this has never worked, for a variety of reasons. But the original intent is a very noble and idealistic approach to governement, and not in itself bad.

'There's been an incident,' Canadian troops told
 

'There's been an incident,' Canadian troops told

Francine Dube
CanWest News Service


Tuesday, January 27, 2004


CAMP JULIEN, Afghanistan - It was a beautiful morning in Kabul, cold, but bathed in sunshine. No one at Camp Julien seemed to hear the bomb when it went off at 8:25 a.m., on a busy road less than a kilometre from the camp.

The daily morning operations meeting for the Royal Canadian Regiment, 3rd Battalion, was in full swing. Chris Alexander, the Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan, was present as a guest. Suddenly, a duty officer from the tactical operations centre (TOC) interrupted the meeting.

"There's been an incident," he told the officers. "All the key reps need to come to the TOC."

The TOC is the command post for the 3RCR battalion. It's where crisis response is planned and monitored. Information is exchanged in periodic Battle Upbriefs - BUBs.

9:30 a.m. The mood is tense inside the TOC. The battalion's commanding officer, Lt.-Col. Don Denne, has been driven to the scene in an armoured vehicle. Maj. Jamie Morse, deputy commanding officer, is in charge. Operations Officer Maj. Greg Smith chairs the BUBs, held between representatives from all the key units in the battalion group and liaisons from other units, including medical staff.

The officers are told that a suicide bomber with explosives strapped to his chest attacked Canadian soldiers, resulting in casualties. The brigade is being spooled up for action. Forensics experts and military police are headed towards the site. Intelligence officers have arrived and photographs are being taken to assist in the investigation.

Medics and ambulances have been out to the site and back. A German helicopter is being brought in, in case one of the injured has to be brought from Camp Julien to a more specialized medical facility, like the German centre at Camp Warehouse. Camp Julien is equipped with a surgeon and an operating room, but the Germans at Camp Warehouse have even more specialized capabilities, as do the Americans at Bagram.

The entire road has been shut down, and everything within a 100-metre radius evacuated. Terrorists will sometimes set off one explosion, allow people to gather, and set off another. The Canadians want to ensure no one else is injured.

Over the radio, a call from the site crackles with the acronym KIA - killed in action. The mood in the room shifts from serious to sombre.

9:50 a.m. The group is told that one Canadian sustained minor injuries, two sustained more severe injuries and one is dead. They are told the names will not be released until the next-of-kin have been notified. They ask anyone who already knows the name of the deceased not to tell anyone else, for now.

10:28 a.m. The sound of a helicopter taking off cuts through the room. One of the Canadians is on his way to the German hospital, a five-minute flight.

10:30 a.m. A report of a second explosion that may have occurred at 9:30 is received, from the British. Such reports prove false most of the time, but troops are sent to investigate. Patrols are told to maintain a presence only - no one is allowed to dismount from their vehicles. The next-of-kin of the Canadian dead and injured are being notified. Snipers are being deployed in an observational capacity to keep an eye on the site.

10:40 a.m. Denne and Canadian Brig.-Gen. Jocelyn Lacroix, who assumed command authority of the Kabul Multi-National Brigade on Saturday, arrive at TOC.

11:35 a.m. The report of the second explosion appears to be incorrect. One Canadian is in surgery at the German hospital. Two others are being treated at Camp Julien. Denne addresses the men standing around the table, telling them that next-of-kin are being notified, and their names will be released at a parade in the afternoon. He tells them that Lacroix is on the site, and talking to the soldiers there.

"This is the price of freedom," he says.

Chief Warrant Officer Dan Bradley steps up. The attack occurred when the two jeeps slowed to drive over a dug-up section of road - such trenches are common on roads in Kabul. They look and act a lot like big, rocky speed bumps.

Bradley barks that soldiers will fill the trenches in the road, as soon as possible. He orders that soldiers no longer slow down for the bumps, if at all possible.

"If the City of Kabul won't do anything about it, 24 Squadron (engineers) sure as hell will," he says.
After the meeting, Denne talks to reporters. "There's carnage out there the likes of which we never see," he says. "We Canadians don't see people blowing the bejesus out of themselves on a regular basis."

He praised the patrol for maintaining a safe distance between the vehicles, as per orders. If they had been closer together, there would have been more injuries and perhaps more casualties.

5 p.m. The troops at Camp Julien gather in the parade grounds, in front of a monument to the two Canadian soldiers killed by a mine in October, and the four from Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, 3rd Battalion, who were killed by a U.S. bomb in Afghanistan in April 2002. Lt.-Gen. Andrew Leslie, deputy commander of International Security Assistance Force, looking pale and drawn, names the man who died, describes the medical conditions of the men who were injured and makes a short speech.

"Patrols are going to continue, both day and night. We shall not run away and we will stay focussed on our duty and our mission," he says. "Cpl. Murphy died doing his duty, he died protecting the citizens of this city ... Unfortunately, sometimes, especially in these faraway places where we're doing excellent work under dangerous circumstances, some of us are called on to make the ultimate sacrifice. For those of you who have just arrived, please stay focused, I know you will. For those of you who are going home shortly, once again, stay focussed, stay alert."

He also tells them there was a second explosion Tuesday by the British Camp. No casualties.
After his address, the soldiers disperse quickly. No one is in a talking mood.

9 p.m. A press conference is held at ISAF headquarters. More details of the assault are released. One Afghani was killed and nine other people injured, including a French civilian. The suicide bomber blew himself to bits - identification will be difficult. It appears he may have been wearing artillery rounds or mortar bombs strapped to his chest.

Leslie tells the media that patrols will continue. He vows that the expansion of efforts to repair Afghanistan, which include provincial reconstruction teams travelling to remote areas outside Kabul, will continue.

"Sometimes there's a price to pay for trying to help others. We're still going to help," he says.

10:15 p.m. Riding home from the press conference with Denne, in an armoured vehicle, there is no bump in the road.

The soldiers have paved it over.

[quote="Cpl. Eames":76ebc]I dont see how you can praise commies and condem nazis...the commies were as bad if not worse then the nazis....its kinda hypocritical.[/quote:76ebc]

I don't think that's praise I think they are stating the obvious.

[quote=Hogman74][quote="Bean 2":5b9d1]You think that Clark is gonna pull out if he becomes president? I truely doubt it. Even on his site he says that hes gonna keep fighting. Also he wants to direct some of the resources from Iraq back into Afganhistan.[/quote:5b9d1]

from the looks of things, Clark is way behind.
appears that Kerry will be the Democratic candidate[/quote:5b9d1]

this is the uneducated person's assumption. just because kerry won doesnt mean anything....Clark might get Clinton's support.....ANYTHING can happen...so excited

[quote:a296d]this is the uneducated person's assumption. just because kerry won doesnt mean anything....Clark might get Clinton's support.....ANYTHING can happen...so excited [/quote:a296d]

Clark is crazy, people may not like Bush, but Clark is way out there.

Yah thats sad. My mom was friends with this guy who was killed. He is from my hometown.

GENE ARDEN VANCE, JR. - Sgt., 38, of West Virginia - Gene Arden Vance, a U.S. Special Forces sergeant, was fatally wounded when his unit came under heavy fire while on patrol in eastern Afghanistan on May 19, and died while waiting to be evacuated. The 38-year-old soldier from Morgantown, W. Va., was recently married and had canceled his honeymoon plans when he was called up to serve in Afghanistan with the 19th Special Forces Unit. He is survived by his wife Lisa; a daughter, Amber; his mother, June; a brother, David; a sister, Jamie.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":0538f][quote:0538f]this is the uneducated person's assumption. just because kerry won doesnt mean anything....Clark might get Clinton's support.....ANYTHING can happen...so excited [/quote:0538f]

Clark is crazy, people may not like Bush, but Clark is way out there.[/quote:0538f]

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