America is where it is becasue of Imperialism. Plain and simple. Hell throw in a little genocide if ya want. The worlds largest genocide happned here in NA. Native populations to say are what they are today becasue our anchestors eradicated them. America's history is just as brutal forceful as any other super power in world history. Get this out of your head eople. Power doesn't come to the good, it comes to the states governments that do crap that is beyond beleif. Hell America in the 20th centruy built itself off of a Military Industrial complex just like the Russians did. Wake up people their is more then to what you think. Your forefathers didnt pave the way for America's great economy Your MIlitary did. I don't want to come off as anti American "hell AMericans are great people" the thing is the government that has lead you threw these hundreds of years is no better then the one that led russia for 90. Your not any better moraly" and you are not worse. Just remember that America wasn't built on lolipops and sugar snaps. It was built on Weapons and the blood of thounsands of people. Just like nay other super power in histroy. People have to get this fact striaght in there head.

As for politic's. Well Like or lump um you need um.

uh..hello!...socialist europe doesnt mean socialist central america or eastern europe. they follow a democratic policy

[quote="Old Reliable":010d0]uh..hello!...socialist europe doesnt mean socialist central america or eastern europe. they follow a democratic policy[/quote:010d0]
Very true. But they are heavily influenced by socialism, a hybrid socialism that has worked very well. Good point though that may bot have been made clear.

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excuse me!
where does this come from? That is TOTALLY baseless and dare I say it?, ignorant?[/quote:0cb36]

I think you need to take a look at figures:

The US obviously ranks number ONE in GDP thus has a longer shelf life and ability to sustain itself. Scandinavian econmy: oil, high taxes, budget deficit. But of course we have a budget deficit as well, but we pull in 10,000 billion annually. THAT is the difference. Sustainability. Who's model can last longer?

politics are necessary and you should study them for many reasons.

1)most everything that involves your life involves the government. if you don't get to know that, then you will become an outcast.

2)whether you like it or not, you are part of the government. they have so much information on you and you become a part of the american system.

3)i have run out of ideas because i cannot fathom someone not caring about politics annoy:

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excuse me!
where does this come from? That is TOTALLY baseless and dare I say it?, ignorant?[/quote:41c4b]

I think you need to take a look at figures:

The US obviously ranks number ONE in GDP thus has a longer shelf life and ability to sustain itself. Scandinavian econmy: oil, high taxes, budget deficit. But of course we have a budget deficit as well, but we pull in 10,000 billion annually. THAT is the difference. Sustainability. Who's model can last longer?[/quote:41c4b]
But ask yourself what does our huge GDP do for your everyday life? You wake up, go to work, come home to your family, sleep. Do that for 50 years, then HOPEFULLY have enough money to retire. Our huge GDP does not mean our system will last longer. Our system is less stable IMO. We are getting better at it, but we have lots of poverty. Norway have next to none.

what are you trying to say, that norway is a better country? no, not in terms of buying power, this country ranks #1. for one thing, norwegian beer tastes like shit, same with their chocolates

[quote="Old Reliable":0af8e]what are you trying to say, that norway is a better country? no, not in terms of buying power, this country ranks #1. for one thing, norwegian beer tastes like shit, same with their chocolates[/quote:0af8e]
haha I am saying if I had to choose, not knowing what class I would be born into, I would choose to be born into Norway over America. If I knew I would be born into the family I did here, I would choose America. And since when does a higher GDP make a country better? That is classic American thinking cool:

[quote="TGB!":f7dbf]Good lord. California has more people than Norway, and we have an unemployment rate of 6%, Scandanavia 4%. United States has a UR of 5.5.

Logically, the model that can most sustain itself is the one that will last. Thats just logic working for you. I work, 8-430, come home, party, sleep, go back to work. If I invest my money in a retirement plan, and am SMART about it, I will not have to rely on the government to take care of me because I will have taken care of myself. THAT is the basis of capatalism; individual accountability. It produces winners and losers, but at least my achievements are regulated by the government.[/quote:f7dbf]
Exactly! Thank you. In capitalism there are winners and losers. Just because you became a winner does that make our system better? Think of it out of the box a bit. People are not all smart. Should they be screwed because of that? Maybe you say yes. And what about those who never had a chance to begin with? When you are unemployed in a place like, for instance, denmark, the government pays for you to go back to school for as long as you want to learn and get back to a job. Here, they put you on welfare and let you mope around. (well technically you have to make an effort to find a job but that is easily faked)

[quote="TGB!":000cc]Quite frankly, I refuse to live in a country that handicaps progress over a pseudo-belief in equality that levels the playing field to accomodate for weakness. Do people have it tough - sure they do. 5% has it damn tough. But what about the other 95% This is a case of the minority dragging the majority down. Is that progress? No. Not at all. Competition breed progress and change. [/quote:000cc]

History's tyrants would agree with you. Where is a sense of compassion ? Tell me will all that money make you happy ? If won't I for one envy these country's for what they do and what they represent. They are an example all other nations should take a lesson from. Equality makes people happy, and is something that shows someones Ethics better.

[quote="TGB!":f9ed5]Quite frankly, I refuse to live in a country that handicaps progress over a pseudo-belief in equality that levels the playing field to accomodate for weakness. Do people have it tough - sure they do. 5% has it damn tough. But what about the other 95% This is a case of the minority dragging the majority down. Is that progress? No. Not at all. Competition breed progress and change. [/quote:f9ed5]
Where do those numbers come from may I ask?
And that is totally cool, you have your opinion. And I fully approve of the capitalism, socialism can still be worked in easily.
Interesting fact: In, IIRC, Norway, the CEO or any well paid employee of a company cannot make more than something like 20 times the salary of the lowest paid worker in that company (janitor etc) by law. I like that.

jujuman, you are an asshat. STFU and leave this thread. You've been put down by TGB and face it, he beat you with facts.




PS Clinton can suck my left testicle.

[quote="Short Hand":45fc1][quote="TGB!":45fc1]Quite frankly, I refuse to live in a country that handicaps progress over a pseudo-belief in equality that levels the playing field to accomodate for weakness. Do people have it tough - sure they do. 5% has it damn tough. But what about the other 95% This is a case of the minority dragging the majority down. Is that progress? No. Not at all. Competition breed progress and change. [/quote:45fc1]

History's tyrants would agree with you. Where is a sense of compassion ? Tell me will all that money make you happy ? If won't I for one envy these country's for what they do and what they represent. They are an example all other nations should take a lesson from. Equality makes people happy, and is something that shows someones Ethics better.[/quote:45fc1]
Yep. We live in a society and a culture that say money is what you live for. You should work as hard as possible to achieve money and to keep up with the jones'. It IS tough to try to see beyond that, I can agree. But if the jones' were a laid back family enjoying eachothers company with MR, jones working spareingly, wouldnt you do the same? Like I said, It would not be easy to work socialism into America.