2015 claims to have been very careful to portray the germans kind of fairly - and in that interview with one of the producers i think he says MOH is more fair to the germans than RTCW.

As for a pacific addon I think maybe some of the young people this game is aimed at are not mature enough to handle it "i wanna kill japs" this is not really the kind of thing EA wants to encourage.

I mean there might be some issues with people who want to keep it PC, although maybe it could be done, I don't know

You guys talking about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
At the time US was No better than the barbaric Hitler, Those two bombs killed hundreds of thousands, Men, Women and children and how would you feel as americans if Bin Laden dropped an A-bomb over you're free country wiping out a whole city, killing millions of you're fellow americans. And don't kid yourself Bin Laden has or once did have nuclear arms but sure he doesn't have what it takes to unleash such a fury and tool of devastation.

i kinda like germans, but hate the japs. i wanna see moh3 in a pacific setting. trhe japs are unforgiven war mongers. those bastards haven't even admitted to their war crimes to this day. ww3?

WHAT! WHAT! WHAT!

Did you just say that people, who by disagreeing with you , are exercising their right to Free speech should be tortured, raped, behead , humiliated and or killed in some horrible fashion.

Aren't you the one who was arguing about how evil Japan was. Didn't you have a relative who experienced that evil first hand.

It sounds to me that you are trashing the very values of free speech that your relative fought for in WW2.

Fascist, o sorry I mean freak, why don't you ask your relative to read this message board and the things that you have posted, paying close attention to that last message. I would be very surprised if they did not smack you in your head.


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You feel a thousand deaths by fearing just one. - Klingon Captian of the SuQ'jagh-class Battle ship

I'm american, so if I sound like I'm preaching here, excuse it.

But I believe that Truman's decision to drop the bombs was the right one. He MAY or MAY NOT have saved hundreds or thousands of lives, but we'll never know. Saying that he knew about a POSSIBLE surrender is completely pointless. The only purpose it serves is to say "America sucks. They bombed Japan when they didn't need to, and they stick their nose where it doesn't belong."

To be honest, this type of opinion is far too common. Hell, even AMERICANS say this kind of crap, because they are quite simply uneducated on the matter. The truth is that when another country needs our help, and we don't provide it, the world gets in an uproar. "Why isn't this major superpower helping?" But the SECOND our job is finished, they want us out, like we're an invading army. Bin Laden's entire idealogy is based on this. He thinks that Saudi Arabia never needed our help, and that for simply being there and "interfering" with the affairs of the middle-east, we deserve to burn as the infidels we are. Thats the extremist opinion, but the fact remains. You want us when you need us, but when all is well, you want us to get the fuck out, so you can go back to thrashing our policies. Don't be the policeman of the world? Fine. But when that happens, people are gonna bitch and moan until we help out again, and the cycle starts again.

Saying that the Japanese killed more than Germans or the Germans killed more is also pointless. They did it. Thats whats wrong here. Numbers don't matter. When does the killcount get high enough to warrant using a nuclear weapon? Never. A Nuclear weapon was used because it was the only logical solution. I'm not saying we should nuke a country for every problem we can't solve. I'm saying that back in WW2, it was our last option.

Also - I'm all for a Pacific Front game. Wanna know why? Because, it'd be fun, because its a god damn GAME. I don't play MOH:AA SP because I get to kill Nazis. Fuck, the nazis could be aliens, as long as it was fun. Its a game people, not a look into state of the social world.

On a side note.. even if the rumors of Japan surrendering WERE true. Whats to say they wouldn't completely ignore it and strike again?

Frankloin, for the record i completely agree with everything you have said bout japan and usin the a bombs to save lives, all the facts and statistics you have stated are the actual facts as I have heard them also, so I'm with ya man.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ydiss:
What a boring thread. I wonder how many more of these silly history/racism arguments will we have to endure before you all think of something different to talk about.

Yeh, I know... I don't have to read it. But I did and it was crap http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

My grandad was in the war and survived it. He had to endure both World Wars. I don't go on about it like Germany owes me something, though.

It doesn't. I think if you have a look Germany is a peace-loving country that is actually a part of the Allies of today.

Japan isn't too much different.

A pacific assault game would be interesting, sure. But not because we'd get to kill the Japanese.

That's ridiculous. It's like claiming you enjoyed playing pacman 'cos you love eating ghosts and little dots...

The key word is 'game'.
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Here here! Well said. Wonder if Germans play this game? Their feelings towards this game would be? *Just curious*

The Bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima with nuclear weapons was justified and right. Japan had to be broken, not just defeated. Else they would have tried their expansionistic, empire building crap again by this point.

They had to be taught a lesson for Pearl Harbor. The message was clear; "you pull a sneak attack on us and we will vaporise a couple hundred thousand of you. Don't fuck with us EVER again!". Consequently they have stayed in their place ever since.

umm just read through all those notes below the link i posted. found this:

{5}The figures for China comprise casualties of the Chinese Nationalist forces during 1937-45, as reported in 1946, and do not include figures for local armies and Communists. Estimates of 2,200,000 military dead and 22,000,000 civilian deaths appear in some compilations but are of doubtful accuracy.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sh3ll_Sh0ck:

Stony your a moron.
Japaneese were worst than the Germans. At least the Wehrmacht didn't activly participte in the Holocaost.

Ironic thing is, durring th Rape of Nanking it was a NAZI who saved the lives of hundreds of innocent civilians. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You don't even know that the contraction of "you are" is spelled Y-O-U-'-R-E and you're calling ME a moron?

Just how much history do you know, little boy? Nobody accused Stalin of war crimes, yet he executed FIVE TIMES as many people as Hitler did during his political purges, his own countrymen as a matter of fact. The Japanses were brutal during their occupation of Chinese Manchuria, and the US nuked 2 Japanese cities, both of which had no strategic importance whatsoever and hundreds of thousands of innocent people died from the blasts and from radiation poisoning thereafter. The list of atrocities goes on and on, with no one nation being more just in their methods than the other. ALL thought at the time that they were doing the right thing.

The winners of wars are NEVER the ones accused of war crimes, only the losers. When (or if) you ever grow up maybe you'll understand that NOBODY is right when EVERYBODY is wrong.

wow, another person who doesn't understand my humor...amazing... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackRanger3D:
WHAT! WHAT! WHAT!

Did you just say that people, who by disagreeing with you , are exercising their right to Free speech should be tortured, raped, behead , humiliated and or killed in some horrible fashion.

Aren't you the one who was arguing about how evil Japan was. Didn't you have a relative who experienced that evil first hand.

It sounds to me that you are trashing the very values of free speech that your relative fought for in WW2.

Fascist, o sorry I mean freak, why don't you ask your relative to read this message board and the things that you have posted, paying close attention to that last message. I would be very surprised if they did not smack you in your head.


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vermilion Leader:
The Bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima with nuclear weapons was justified and right. Japan had to be broken, not just defeated. Else they would have tried their expansionistic, empire building crap again by this point.

They had to be taught a lesson for Pearl Harbor. The message was clear; "you pull a sneak attack on us and we will vaporise a couple hundred thousand of you. Don't fuck with us EVER again!". Consequently they have stayed in their place ever since.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was Roosevelt who cut off Japan's access to oil and the natural resources in the Phillipines that provoked the Japanese into attacking the US. Whether or not this was a punishment for Japan's invasion of China I don't know, but sometimes it does pay to research the WHOLE situation, namely the events that preceded the events. What I DO know is that the US had economic interests in China at the time Japan invaded it.

Japan didn't just sink the Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor out of spite. They had their reasons, as did the US for nuking them.



[This message has been edited by Stony (edited January 30, 2002).]

didn't ur mommy ever tell u to never say never? btgw, that comment about war crimes is wrong...as usual <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stony:
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The winners of wars are NEVER the ones accused of war crimes, only the losers. When (or if) you ever grow up maybe you'll understand that NOBODY is right when EVERYBODY is wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

finally, a man with some sense. btw, it's not frankloin...teehee <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Drolmagon:
Frankloin, for the record i completely agree with everything you have said bout japan and usin the a bombs to save lives, all the facts and statistics you have stated are the actual facts as I have heard them also, so I'm with ya man.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paullo:
umm just read through all those notes below the link i posted. found this:

{5}The figures for China comprise casualties of the Chinese Nationalist forces during 1937-45, as reported in 1946, and do not include figures for local armies and Communists. Estimates of 2,200,000 military dead and 22,000,000 civilian deaths appear in some compilations but are of doubtful accuracy.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well, if you want to count it that way, 20,000,000 Soviets died to the Germans, and 6,000,000 Poles died too. So that's makes it 26,000,000 which still tops the Japanese, and that's only counting two countries in Europe.



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