Don't forget the difference in range, as well, between the Mauser 98k, and the Garand. The Mauser 98k has a much longer reach.

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"Meine Ehre heißt Treue"

quote; the garand has comparitavly NO stopping power, and I don't have to worry about the mauser not feeding.

The garand does have alot of stopping power, more than a mauser.


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Assassin788:
well the axis didnt have any semi auto weapons did they? and i do like the mauser when i play dod so i guess i would use the kar 98k<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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34th SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Landstorm Nederland

"Meine Ehre heißt Treue"

So they had a little more training time. So what ? That still doesn't give me FACTUAL evidence they killed in one shot 75% of the time.

You are ASSUMING they did based on their training time and the fact they had to pass an exam (probably shooting at a target standing or lying down - which is fucking easy, mind you).

Haven't you learned the assumption lesson ?
If you ASSUME, you make an ASS of U and ME.
(in case you don't get it, piece ASS, U and ME together: you will get a nifty word)

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You guys need to understand something about STOPPING POWER : whether you receive a garand or mauser bullet in the chest or head, you're gone ! There's no such thing as which one will "stop" more ... lol.

Similarly, getting hit in the arm or leg by either weapon wouldn't make much difference:
you'd be suffering as much and would cry your asses off, begging for the pain to go away http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

Stopping power is only a useful piece of datum in our days because we can talk about how a 9mm or 45 cal. bullet (or whatever) would react on a bullet-proof vest.

They didn't have the pleasure of wearing one back then. (If I'm not mistaken, some people had primitive vests, but that could be a misread)

Well it has some merit, when your talking about whether a bullet hits you, and stops, or hits you, and destroys vital internal organs, and rips through your body, going out the other side. The first wound you might live through, the second one you probably won't...you'll either die from organ failure, or you'll bleed to death.

The Garand is not more powerful than a Mauser 98k. It's simple fact. The muzzle velocity alone, of the Mauser 98k is higher than the M1 Garand.

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"Meine Ehre heißt Treue"

[This message has been edited by Wolfshook (edited July 27, 2001).]

oh oh, time for my 2 cents!

the germans DID train harder and longer.... as we all know the Hitler Youth were BORN soldiers... born and bred to fire a gun etc etc...

but that is beside the point... hitler WASNT ready for war... he had lots of troops and supplies... but he wasnt ready for HIS expectactions.... when the war started he still had hoped to have quite abit more to work with... so in truth there COULDNT have been a 75% hitrate and kill rate... because well first off... this is humans and in the face of death... sometimes its hard to make the first shot count always...

and second... yes they did send SOME inexperienced and undertrained soldiers into battle... dont you people remember near the end of the war? whole squads and groups of germans comprized of mainly 16 year old boys who just were handed rifles and told to defend a point???

come on... 75% is a bit much... i dont care if you can shoot the nuts off a squirrel... you will still miss alot more then that.

and like they said... did they go out and count the bodies and then do a load of math combined with the bullets left + the bullet holes in the bodys? jesus... its just not statistical to do that in a war.



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Finally...

Someone that has common sense http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

Good Bless you Jesus!

Heh

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Well one person could probably hit 50$ of the targets in which he fired at

im reallying getting these weapons wrong.....

himmler got the ss to actually breed men to fight for them

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Hehe, Himmler was a complete nutter http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

On the subject of Bolt Action Rifles. Yum. Bolt Action be more powerful and accurate, I'd choose the Kar 98k anyday over the Garand.

In response to Solidus..."You guys need to understand something about STOPPING POWER : whether you receive a garand or mauser bullet in the chest or head, you're gone ! There's no such thing as which one will "stop" more ... lol."

Different weapons are made differently in respect to the way the bullet "tumbles" through the air once it's left the barrel. Some rounds move nice and smoothly through the air, when they penetrate the body and move through the flesh, all their gonna do is put a nice clean hole straight through you (ofcourse make a mess inside), thats the perfect killing weapon. On the other hand, some rounds and the rifling on the barrels make the bullet "tumble". When it does this, when it hits the flesh it's going to rip everything inside you too pieces, most organs in the path of the bullet will be torn to shreds, that is the perfect wounding weapon. That is stopping power. The ability to kill outright, or to mame and dismember and lower the morale of the opposing force.
Yes theres the ballistics side of stopping power, but theres also the soldiers side of stopping power http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

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[This message has been edited by BallisticWookie (edited July 27, 2001).]

well the axis didnt have any semi auto weapons did they? and i do like the mauser when i play dod so i guess i would use the kar 98k

hehehehehehe

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Bah, semi-automatic all the way!

You miss with your bolt action rifle
in front of a man with a garand and
you're practically garanteed a spot
at the closest cemetary http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

I'll take the slight chance that it would jam or feed improperly over having to cock a weapon manually for every pot shot I would want to take any given day :->

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