hopefully it doedn't...I ahve enough IDs already.

Theres another thing, whos gonna pay for this shit? Fuck me if im gonna have to go to the DMV and wait in line and have to shell out $50 for another card. My drivers license is enough for me. I hate all this false sense of security shit. ID cards dont do anything except for identify the person who has it. How am I safer if everyone has a card? If you wanna keep people from getting explosives on an airplane, screen them and check the luggage. You can get fake IDs and fake money now, so its just a matter of time before these cards get sold on the black market.

George W. Bush is insecure about his penis size.

ID cards? this reminds me of south africa many years ago

i honestly dont really care, just as long as it isnt an inconvience. it might be though, then ill be pissed.

NO

Valid point Mad. The state has to pay for the ID, so that will likley come out of your pocket.

[quote:b122b]Yet despite widespread opposition to the bill, it passed through the House last week and is expected to easily pass through the Senate on Tuesday.

The legislation is raising questions not only about privacy and costs but about the ways in which critical legislation gets passed in Congress.

That's because lawmakers slipped the bill into a larger piece of legislation -- an $82 billion spending bill -- that authorizes funds for the Iraq war and tsunami relief, among other things, and is considered a must-pass piece of legislation. [/quote:b122b]

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,184 ... story_top5

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,184 ... _tophead_1

police state ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hellfire:

you are God, I bow to you

ID cards get introduced > People lose their cards > People get their cards stolen > Government and media come up with a "more secure solution" > Government and mainstream media ramp up the propaganda to brainwash the masses into accepting microchips under the skin > Jesus returns and kills everyone that's been chipped.

The End.

bush being the conservative that he claims to be, probably won't sign it. But we can't put any stock into that so anything could happen.

I still don't understand the advantages for the average citizen of having a card other than just having another nice card to carry around in your wallet. To me it just looks like we're giving more power to the government than they deserve.

Are you kidding? The Bush administration are the ones who want the card. Thats why it was tucked underneat the Iraq and Tsunami relief bill. The senate can't say no to that, so it passes.

And I believe he's already signed the bill.

My version is better, because I have the funding taken care of, lol.
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Anyway, here is way I look at it....

This is not meant to be some super solution to all terrorism. To believe so is ignorance. So don't get the impression that this is supposed to be something it is not.

Now, a national ID card would serve the defence of the country and the Government like thus...
With each citizen card holder using thier card for everyday tasks like driving priviliges, plane boarding, oversees travel, bank accounts, ect. this gives the the DHS (Dept. Homeland Security) and local law enforcement the abillity to not only screen for know terrorists but also to identify missing persons, track internal espionage, and as an example identify cessna piolets that enter restricted airspace, lol.

The biggest worry an adverage citizen would have would be the "Big Brother" syndrome, and while I see no need for alarm personally... yeah I'm a bit of a commie, it would certainly cause some Americans to feel that thier privacy has been violated.

Now, some one said that a terrorist doesn't need an ID to crash a plane. Agreed, and this is not an attempt to stop that, it is an attempt to stop training the bastards to fly at Air schools in Florida. It is not an attempt to stop terrorism with a broad stroke, it is simply an attempt to stop terrorists from hiding in plain sight, as the article put it.

As we discussed earlier, there are hundreds of thousands of people in this country working today who are not legal. And our government is taking little if any inititive to track these people. This coupled with a more refined system of border control may help to stop or at least slow the progression of illegal imegration.

I don't like Bush anymore than the next guy, but I do like the idea of a more controled populous. I see things a little different, and I won't argue with anyone who thinks this is American Blasphamy at its best. I do see your perspective too.

Sorry for the shitty spelling, long day, lol.

what happens when they realize the cards do not work right? then what next? those microchips that they are testing? Why has Montanna said they will absolutely not mandate these national IDs? I think we are getting ready to see some interesting events.

I dont look for black helicopters or have a foil hat but I dont like the "big brother" aspect of it