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Stammer 08-16-2005 11:59 AM

You know what really shits on soldiers legacy...

[img]http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/1030-02.jpg[/img]

"Bring em on!"

[quote:eadea]You said republicans say she is politicizing her son’s death. Did you forget about the conversation in which BUSH had a Couple whose son was killed and that they were still behind him and that his death would not be for nothing isn’t that politicizing?

Or the Iraqi woman they flew all the way over here to show how she was on Bush and Co. side? Isn’t that politicizing?

And… I'd bet you ANY amount of money had this woman (meaning Cindy) came to Crawford to show her support of Bush and the war you can bet anything he'd have had her trot around the ranch and on every TV conference he did in FACT he'd have called a special press conference to show her off. You should remind everyone who he did the about at the republican convention and used it for personal gain. Now that’s pathetic!
[/quote:eadea]

It's amazing how heartless you Republicans are, you destroy war veterans (McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry) and now a war mother who lost her son is now the new fodder for Republican attack machines.

rdeyes 08-16-2005 12:07 PM

the truth about cindy sheehan

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_70879.asp

Cindy Sheehan's Crowd

http://www.nysun.com/article/18436

Cindy Sheehan "changed her story on Bush"? Tracking a lie through the conservative media

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508100009

heres a lil quote for ya

The Reporter article described a meeting that Sheehan and 16 other families of soldiers killed in Iraq had with Bush in Fort Lewis, Washington, earlier that month. Sheehan's son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, was killed in Iraq in April 2004.

Drudge quoted Sheehan seemingly speaking glowingly of Bush: "'I now know [Bush is] sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith,' " and, "For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again. 'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said." Drudge contrasted these quotes to Sheehan's statements on the August 7 edition of CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, in which she said, of the 2004 meeting with Bush: "We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."

rolleyes:

Pyro 08-16-2005 12:11 PM

Quit thinking everything your president does is right...a position of power doens't mean they are above the rest of the country in the sense of right and wrong. It is like playing God, but choosing a moronic redneck as your God.

rdeyes 08-16-2005 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stammer
You know what really shits on soldiers legacy...

[img]http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/1030-02.jpg[/img]

"Bring em on!"

[quote:5f861]You said republicans say she is politicizing her son’s death. Did you forget about the conversation in which BUSH had a Couple whose son was killed and that they were still behind him and that his death would not be for nothing isn’t that politicizing?

Or the Iraqi woman they flew all the way over here to show how she was on Bush and Co. side? Isn’t that politicizing?

And… I'd bet you ANY amount of money had this woman (meaning Cindy) came to Crawford to show her support of Bush and the war you can bet anything he'd have had her trot around the ranch and on every TV conference he did in FACT he'd have called a special press conference to show her off. You should remind everyone who he did the about at the republican convention and used it for personal gain. Now that’s pathetic!

It's amazing how heartless you Republicans are, you destroy war veterans (McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry) and now a war mother who lost her son is now the new fodder for Republican attack machines.[/quote:5f861]

john kerry is traitor end of story

KTOG 08-16-2005 12:16 PM

First off the NY Sun article is total crap. ITS AN EDITORIAL AKA AN OPINION. Since when have feminist groups been viewed as crazy? Oh, thats right, by the people that feel woman SHOULD be supressed.

Secondly, so what if she is a peace loving woman? This just proves more the questioning of Bush's motives. It was her son's choice to fight, she is not asking why did he go fight. She is asking "What was the reason behind him fighting in the first place".

Finally the quote you used is misquoted by the writer. The first quote is saying she felt relief after knowing what happend. Kind of like when a child is kidnap and presumed dead, but never found the body. Then the family gets the news and is relieved and thanks all for their effort. The second quote has nothign much to do with the first. She said she wanted to use the oppurtunity, but did not.

Chappy 08-16-2005 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stammer
It's amazing how heartless you Republicans are, you destroy war veterans (McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry) and now a war mother who lost her son is now the new fodder for Republican attack machines.

dude wake up...both sides do it...its called politics and this "war mother" you are feeling so sorry for is being trumped by the media as someone who represents the sentiments held by the majority of parents who have kids in the military. she doesn't. she has taken this time and spotlight to use her face to be the symbol of evil Mr. Bush...

regardless of whether the war is right or wrong...we are there and its stuff like this that does nothing but lower the morale of the men and women who are laying in the sand not thinking one iota of politics because there are bullets going over their heads. the bottom line is...her son joined the military...wasn't drafted. i could give two shits about this radical leftist disguised as a grieving mother who only wants to make the US out to be the evil ones and not the terrorists who killed her son.

Sgt>Stackem 08-16-2005 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c312
that lady is nuts. She originally met president bush after her son had died and made a statement that he was very kind and made her feel better, but then a while later she changes her mind and makes up some story about Bush being some jackass at the ceremony thing they were at. Her whole family has issued a statement saying they still support the troops and the president and are sorry for Cindy's attempt to use what happens politically.

I'm sure there are people who are angry at Bush for their sons and daughters dying in Iraq, but they signed up, they knew the risk. It's terrible when they die, but it happens, and their lives helped protect ours. This woman is just weird though, she completely changed her mind and made up some insane story about things Bush did when she met him that are obviously untrue.


agreed

Pyro 08-16-2005 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chappy
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stammer
It's amazing how heartless you Republicans are, you destroy war veterans (McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry) and now a war mother who lost her son is now the new fodder for Republican attack machines.

dude wake up...both sides do it...its called politics and this "war mother" you are feeling so sorry for is being trumped by the media as someone who represents the sentiments held by the majority of parents who have kids in the military. she doesn't. she has taken this time and spotlight to use her face to be the symbol of evil Mr. Bush...

regardless of whether the war is right or wrong...we are there and its stuff like this that does nothing but lower the morale of the men and women who are laying in the sand not thinking one iota of politics because there are bullets going over their heads. the bottom line is...her son joined the military...wasn't drafted. i could give two shits about this radical leftist disguised as a grieving mother who only wants to make the US out to be the evil ones and not the terrorists who killed her son.

I don't think the fact that you're there should outright say it is ok if it was wrong. honestly...if i was American my morale would go up if i finally thought the government started having common sense and were regretted people lives at risk for no reason...kinda makes me feel more happyfor the future of politics in my country. Im sure she doens't think terrorists are now good...she is just saying America isn't perfect and conservatives shouldn't always think they're fucking perfect. The point I think is her son shouldn't of been fighting those "terrorists" well they sure don't seem like terrorists to America...maybe to their surrounding countries...but I ahven't seen em try to kill people in America yet...Iraqis that is.

KTOG 08-16-2005 12:27 PM

This flip flopping accusation is completely false. I wouldn't be disrespectful to a president while other families were around greeving. If you just so happen to say something while the camera's were on, does it make it the truth? How many of you change your mood throughout the day? Week? Month? People don't put into consideration a lot of things have been runnign through this ladies mind.

rdeyes 08-16-2005 12:32 PM

so you are saying you wouldnt voice your frustation while other people were around ?

KTOG 08-16-2005 12:34 PM

I'm saying that the only thing the American people are seeing is what is recorded on video tape. Not what she is thinking or saying at home.

rdeyes 08-16-2005 12:42 PM

well if she is saying something different at home then she is a hyprocite

KTOG 08-16-2005 12:48 PM

Changing your mind isn't being a hypocrite. Its when people don't change there mind when having realizations is when you should be called a hypocrite.

I don't know if anyone has ever died in your family but when someone is lossed, you begin to question things. You can't keep a stable mind set when something such as your son is killed. I can sympathize with this woman.

Short Hand 08-16-2005 02:08 PM

I really tire of this forum, ktog, buttocks, stammer...... no matter what you say they will continue to play the broken record...You could post 35 times the amount of evidence and proof and still they will not beleive you or change their minds one bit.....It will always be the same......To think MIcheal Moore some hoe got involved out of nowhere is this thread... This ladys son DIED AFTER FERENHEIT 9/11...who the hell brought that up anyways..

rdeyes 08-16-2005 02:38 PM

this ladies own relatives dont think what she is doing is right , if you family doesnt agree with your methods , dont you think you should change your tactics.


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