Good work James!

[quote=Pyro]New Zealand must be boring...don't you guys get your entertainment from a black person's vocabulary?
Sure. But we don't try and steal it and pretend we actually talk like that. What you do is called FAKING. You're faking that the slang you use and the way you talk comes naturally. Aren't toni and bucknub from the same city as you? lol.

so who exactly is copying who?
You're copying african-american ghetto culture. Be yourself, shawn. It's better than being a pathetic imitation.

this is the slang that is used here...can't help but know it...the low income area of Brampton isn't exactly filled with enough sophisticated white people to please you.
Brampton isn't compton. It's not brooklyn, its not staten island, its not queensbridge, its not the "BX."
Sophisticated white people? No, but how about acting like a NORMAL PERSON.

Maybe ill just go to the money team, buy a house in Bebevrly Hills...and then come talk to you in 10 years? Maybe then I can be what you want me to be.
I don't give a shit who you are, you'll always be that geeky canadian whiteboy prick to me....but at least stop lying to yourself about who you are....I suppose maybe if you wish upon a star, one day you might wake up on the 41st side of queens with black skin, an american accent and no daddy.

I'm just a man who's walking
They stand around and keep talking
They tried to clip my wings
But wisdom fills so many things[/quote:ab3d5]

stfu

Keeping it real wrong

My friend Abigail (who is Jamaican Canadian) calls me the "blackest white girl (she) knows."

Not only do I shake it to the hit hip-hop and R&B songs of the past 15 years, but I know the back-story on Tupac, Biggie, 50, Mary J. Blige, Snoop, R. Kelly, Jay Z and on and on.

Still, she and her (white) boyfriend laugh at me when I compare R. Kelly to Ray Charles.

I slip into ebonics from time to time in my personal life. Another girlfriend once laughed, "you're not black, Kim," when I told her that I didn't want to "axe," an ex-fling about his troubled past.

I watch BET because MuchMusic and MTV Canada play shows with annoying VJs instead of music I can groove to. My ringtone was the Snoop Dogg masterpiece "Drop it Like It's Hot," for more than a year. I love Dave Chappelle, even though he said on Oprah that he left his show because he heard a white person laughing too hard at a racially sensitive joke that he meant for his black audience.

But is there anything wrong with people like me enjoying what is considered to be black culture? I should mention that my mom's side of the family is from South Africa, and I am related to some black people, even though no one would guess that by looking at me.

What's interesting is that race is rarely talked about in my family. Due to interracial marriages and genetics, half of my family members look white and half look mixed (between black and white). We never bring up that we may not look related, but our relationship makes it obvious we are a loving, if sometimes dysfunctional family.

But back to the question of whether white people should like black culture. The hilarious Weird Al video for "White and Nerdy," now on YouTube, made me ponder this question. Funnier still was that I was a big fan of the Chamillionaire song that Weird Al is parodying. "I'm nerdy in the extreme, whiter than sour cream," Al raps. Do I look as ridiculous as he does, trying to "roll with the gangsters," while riding on his Segway?

Even though many people say they are colour blind and that race doesn't matter, it seems to matter a lot when it comes to white people becoming involved in black culture. It was an underlying theme in Eminem's movie 8 Mile, for instance.

There are some things that it seems silly for white people to do. J-Roc (played by Jonathan Torrens of Jonovision fame) on Trailer Park Boys illustrates this perfectly in one episode, when DVS, a black rapper whom the white trailer park rapper admires, comes to the park, wanting to start a beef during J-Roc's big show because J-Roc was "jackin' his tunes." DVS puts J-Roc in his place by simply saying "you're not black."

J-Roc starts crying, goes to his trailer and puts on his "white boy," clothing: a golf shirt and khakis. He drops his "blaccent." His mom has to console him, and gets DVS, (now subdued because he received royalties for his music) to encourage him to come back out and be himself.

The reverse of this phenomenon also exists. Black people who fit in to white culture are derogatively dubbed "Oreos, black on the outside, white on the inside."

Exhibits of this phenomenon: Oprah Winfrey, who, according to message board postings, talks differently when speaking to middle-class black people on her show than when she talks to white celebrities who might be closer in experience to her billionaire lifestyle. And there's Bill Cosby, who some hailed as creating a positive image of a black family in the '80s on The Cosby Show, but has been called out for making them seem too "white."

My interest in black music and culture only goes so far. It's not like I dress the part. You wouldn't see me wearing stereotypical "hootchie-mama," clothing, like chinchilla coats, over the top "bling-bling," and butt-baring low-rider jeans (not that I'm saying that all black women wear these types of clothing. But it is what you'll see at a hip-hop club).

However, if I wanted to wear this type of clothing, should the fact that I am a white twenty- something stop me? I guess the bigger question is, shouldn't we be allowed to like what we like without judgment?

Good music and art is good music and art. It shouldn't be related to your colour or the colour of the person who made it. Even though I might look silly dancing around to hip-hop music, I stopped caring a long time ago about what people might think or say about me. Segregation of any kind is a bad thing in a multicultural society. Aight?


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Kim Edwards is a freelance writer. Reach her at kim@kim.edwards.ca.

That is total bullshit.

Just because she wrote a big story (If she truly is a freelance writer, that is probably some of the most terrible writing I've ever read from a so called professional), it doesn't mean her point helps yours.

Basically shes saying that she realises how stupid she looks trying to be something that is unatural to her, and she doesnt care about it. We know you care alot, because you are bothering to reply to my posts.

[quote:1b844]However, if I wanted to wear this type of clothing, should the fact that I am a white twenty- something stop me? I guess the bigger question is, shouldn't we be allowed to like what we like without judgment?

Good music and art is good music and art. It shouldn't be related to your colour or the colour of the person who made it. Even though I might look silly dancing around to hip-hop music, I stopped caring a long time ago about what people might think or say about me. Segregation of any kind is a bad thing in a multicultural society. Aight? [/quote:1b844]

Good music and good art IS good music and art.....That doesn't mean its any kind of invitation to make up a fake personality. Its not that its a black person you're trying to be, you could be trying to be asian, or hispanic or indian, i'd still post about it. Its the fact that you're not being yourself. You're not living the life you were nurtured into. Basically, you don't like your true self enough to be yourself, so instead you act like your someone else. Its pathetic.

Continue though, I guess it furthers my long-standing point that you actually are, a fucking retard.

She talks about segregation of any kind being a bad thing....but what kind of intergration is it when you choose the biggest misleading stereotype of black culture and conform to it....?
Be yourself, not something you don't know truly and deeply.

Here is another stupid remark that is made...

[quote:1b844]I guess the bigger question is, shouldn't we be allowed to like what we like without judgment?[/quote:1b844]
There is a difference between liking something, and trying to become it.

I don't see how im trying to become it though

In all essence I hate the state of black culture these days...which is why I abstain away from the gangs of black people, who would hate the fact a white person would even look at them...and yet we are the racist ones.

I just like the music, and find the slang interesting, yet idiotic if used excessivly in terms of making you seem disturptive to the english language you are in fact butchering.

I just need to adapt...I did this unconsciouslly...I like the fact idbe able to understand a conversation with a black person as I live around more black people than white people due to newhaven manors and middleton way (they also work to distract the cops away from my street).

Blacks and whites were equal majorities when I grew up and by highschool we became the minorites compared to the browns.

Honestly...if you want to see a race trying to steal black culture it is them...hell they even got to the point to where they believed because they werne't white...the word nigger was of use to them, and used it constaintly.

Ask toni...he lives on the street right beside middleton way...and im always on the street across from middleton way.

I don't know I guess you'd need to live outside pretty much an entirly white community (i know this is an exagerration) to know what I mean by my actual housing which i haven't moved from in my entire life.

I don't exactly care what people think about me in terms of how I go about things, but I hate being stereotyped as something im not...as im sure black people don't all wanna be stereotyped as women abusing gang bangers.

yo.

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you should know my ignorance by now, which was attributed to the cops part.

I honestly think i can walk anywhere I want freely and not be harmed...

Middleton way is the closest we got to crime around here...but they also know who lives around here...and they don't bother with them...myself included...I know most people on the street...they're mostly wannabe bloods and crips.

Cops do though pick on youth...always assume you're either drinking or smoking weed...

The fucking people need to stop fucking breaking into massey school...kids fucking go there...thats what pisses me off the most...why break into a shcool...

everytime ive been questioned by a cop has been to gain information about someone who broke into massey school...they don't like my advice though...as i basically tell them that if you want to find someone on foot...you have about 30 different ways to go from the back of massey.

I don't see where I comform to them...it's like saying im not allowed to like their music and im not allowed to say Yo.

worst thing is im actually insulted to be lumped in with it as im nothing like that.

I still would like you to meet the people that I believe you're getting at...the house i spoke about before on my buddys street....which i refer to as the cokehouse...they are what you're getting at.

I am not a wigger, and I pretty much am the typical middle class white person...but im very good at adapting to other people.

I don't like to use the american stereotype...but you know in movies and such when it comes to like hostel how the americans treated the locals in europe with their ignorance and believed that because they were american they'd ahve to adapt to the american way...to me it's a two way street...they deal with my culture...i deal with thiers...and we come to an adequate conclusion.

As much as you think people would dislike me...i'm pretty much liked by the people i meet.

...Until you have a decent conversation with them.

p.s - that post made no sense whatsoever.

it's just a lump of thoughts...im not here to write an A+ essay

lol all our conversations are decent...i still don't see why you think everything I do is like a let down to human nature.

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":fe7ea]did you see Pfc. Green?[/quote:fe7ea]

actually funny thing, I knew a pvt. green who got hot brass on his eyeball on a range and went blind in that eye cause it had something like an emergency shutdown cause his eye freaked out so yeah he got kicked out

[quote="Jimmy Paterson":08dac][quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":08dac]did you see Pfc. Green?[/quote:08dac]

actually funny thing, I knew a pvt. green who got hot brass on his eyeball on a range and went blind in that eye cause it had something like an emergency shutdown cause his eye freaked out so yeah he got kicked out[/quote:08dac]
That's not funny...

Dude...Our conversations are you making points, me countering them, and you going back on those initial points and changing your opinion, and then acting like that was your point in the first place....Or you just flat-out tangenting the "argument" into something else, by missing the point.

I don't think you've really ever made a valid point that you've come up with on your own in our little conversations.

a.k.a: You're full of shit.

Even when buckweed came in and said what you think is untrue...you even calle dhis shit bullshit.

What do I gotta do...get testimonials from everyone I know?