<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -DJK-:
Posted by Coriolis in the "Another hit location/crosshairs question" thread-

"Unfortunately, dynamically putting small holes in walls in a realistic fashion without destroying frame rates would take more time than we have for the game, and may not even be possible without making the normal game play look ugly." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe that means that putting actual 3D "holes" in the wall is not possible (atleast that's how it sounds). They will probably just have little black marks like most FPSs, which is not unrealistic seeing as it still shows the bullet marks.

He also said-

"We believe that having detailed environments and high-quality models contributes more to the experience than punching tiny holes into walls with your pistol."

That doesn't sound to me like there will be ANYTHING.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -DJK-:
He also said-

"We believe that having detailed environments and high-quality models contributes more to the experience than punching tiny holes into walls with your pistol."

That doesn't sound to me like there will be ANYTHING.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you would have un-detailed environments and poor models just so you can put little holes in walls?

"So you would have un-detailed environments and poor models just so you can put little holes in walls?"

There are games w/good environments and models that still allow bullet holes in objects.




[This message has been edited by -DJK- (edited June 12, 2001).]

Okay...I have all the MoH games. There are only two out there, but I still have them! They don't have blood in it, the holes are just black marks...sometimes they don't show up. But you know what I still think MoH is one of the best FPS out there. I can't wait for the PC. All I need is clean graphics, (They have that) and the beach scene...(and they have that!) I don't care if there is no blood or gore. If it has good game play and a great enviroment then I'm sold.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -DJK-:
"So you would have un-detailed environments and poor models just so you can put little holes in walls?"

There are games w/good environments and models that still allow bullet holes in objects.

[This message has been edited by -DJK- (edited June 12, 2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but do any of them include every leaf on every tree being rendered in 3-D? That's probably why MOH can't handle bullet holes. I'm looking forward more to seeing the amazingly realistic environments then seeing bullet holes (not like we haven't seen them before).

I'd rather see some realistic combat action w/blood and bullet holes then every leaf on some tree. Do you really need to see every leaf on a tree?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -DJK-:
I'd rather see some realistic combat action w/blood and bullet holes then every leaf on some tree. Do you really need to see every leaf on a tree? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought you wanted realism, what kind of battlefield has no camo? How do you hide behind a leafless tree? Scripted events like a half-track flying out of the bushes (hidden in the leaves) and a Mg squad jumping out and opening fire would be a lot better then some red mist.

yea but . realism to DJK is blood , blood , and more blood . if you search his record posts , you will see that THAT IS ALL HE TALKS ABOUT ....lol

Hans, if I had to give up something, it'd be seeing every leaf on a tree, not the blood and bullet holes.

"yea but . realism to DJK is blood , blood , and more blood ."

Well in war, that IS realism.

True it is. But you know what..I'm still getting the game. It makes no difference to me. If I want to blow someone's head off, I can go play SOF. What I look for in this game is gameplay and Nice Historical info..

So instead of getting something new and inovating you would rather have more blood just like any other FPS(Ex. Mortr wich was a mediocre game and now can be bought for $20, blood didn't make this game any better)? In a war game blood is only part of the realism, there is also vehicles, weapons, levels design, music, setting, weather, AI, uniforms, explosions, voices, objectives, etc.

You want realism then shoot yourself whenever it happens in the game, you'll get the ultimate realism, and real blood!!

Every topic seems to turn into a blood topic.

"So instead of getting something new and inovating you would rather have more blood just like any other FPS"

Then why don't you tell all the poor people that get shot to stop bleeding, cuz EVERYBODY does that and it's getting old, LMAO. Last time I checked, people still bleed, so I don't see why this feature should suddenly be left out.

"In a war game blood is only part of the realism"

Yes, you're right. Thats why they shouldn't leave it out, because it's part of the realism.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -DJK-:
"So instead of getting something new and inovating you would rather have more blood just like any other FPS"

Then why don't you tell all the poor people that get shot to stop bleeding, cuz EVERYBODY does that and it's getting old, LMAO. Last time I checked, people still bleed, so I don't see why this feature should suddenly be left out.

"In a war game blood is only part of the realism"

Yes, you're right. Thats why they shouldn't leave it out, because it's part of the realism.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So we should take out all the new things just to add blood? Last time I checked all those poor bleeding people weren't made out of pixels and included in a game. The feature isn't suddenly left out, it was never there, and if it was excluded to make room for new and inovating features then that's a good thing, games aren't going to get any better if they all stick to the same plan. Well, they also leave out real pain, are you going to bitch about that being excluded next.