[quote="The Hagfish":78f28]No he did not. But the only reason the Iraqis invaded Kuwait was to get the oil there. The only reason we came to their rescue was because, in the minds of the oil companies who OWN George Bush and his son, it was OUR oil they were taking. The talk about defending a democracy was ridiculous as only males who are directly related to the royal family can vote in Kuwait.

But your point is well taken too, the U.S., or other civilized societies, do not murder civilians as a deliberate act for the sake of doing so – except in cases of all out war. But we (the CIA) DID set off a truck bomb outside a masque, very much like the one's extremists are setting off in Israel, in an effort to assassinate an extremist cleric, who survived even though a great many innocent people were killed. We DID fire cruise missiles into the Sudan and destroy the factory that made 90% of that nations antibiotics and other pharmaceuticals, killing another group of people. I wonder what we would call it if Hussein or any other person or group destroyed 90% of our pharmaceuticals, killing innocent people in the process? They would probably call it terrorism.

Regardless of how indefensible the acts of 9-11 were, the U.S.’s shortsighted and selfish dealings in other nations only fuel hatred in generations of children whose lives are misery because of the tyranny we support for the sake of “our own interests abroad”. Those children grow up seeing us as the major force of evil in the world – not entirely without reason.[/quote:78f28]
Well said.
We live in a self-centered society that cares little for the plights of others in the world.

[quote="The Hagfish":d4b17]No he did not. But the only reason the Iraqis invaded Kuwait was to get the oil there. The only reason we came to their rescue was because, in the minds of the oil companies who OWN George Bush and his son, it was OUR oil they were taking. The talk about defending a democracy was ridiculous as only males who are directly related to the royal family can vote in Kuwait.

But your point is well taken too, the U.S., or other civilized societies, do not murder civilians as a deliberate act for the sake of doing so – except in cases of all out war. But we (the CIA) DID set off a truck bomb outside a masque, very much like the one's extremists are setting off in Israel, in an effort to assassinate an extremist cleric, who survived even though a great many innocent people were killed. We DID fire cruise missiles into the Sudan and destroy the factory that made 90% of that nations antibiotics and other pharmaceuticals, killing another group of people. I wonder what we would call it if Hussein or any other person or group destroyed 90% of our pharmaceuticals, killing innocent people in the process? They would probably call it terrorism.

Regardless of how indefensible the acts of 9-11 were, the U.S.’s shortsighted and selfish dealings in other nations only fuel hatred in generations of children whose lives are misery because of the tyranny we support for the sake of “our own interests abroad”. Those children grow up seeing us as the major force of evil in the world – not entirely without reason.[/quote:d4b17]

Having just joined these forums, you have already made some valid points, so what I would like to know is what do you propose should happen now. What would you like to see the US do, what would you like to see happen abroad. Im ont the spanish enquisition, I'm just asking for your views.

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[quote="ColinXP [3rdArmy]":51681]Innoxx - You do realize that Stryker's response was merely speculation and opinion. It didn't contain a single "fact." I expected better of you.[/quote:51681]

so Noriega's goons murdering people is just speculation eh?

and I am almost an expert on US weapons, the only way a HARM will hit a civillian building is:
A) the radar is on that building
B) some asshole saved his own skin and turned off the radar and the missile went down like a dumb bomb.

Sadam put all his military installations and missle batteries in civilian neighborhoods purposely to either 1) discourage attacks on the sites and 2) to be able to crank up his propoganda machine if they were attacked. Nice how he sacrficed his own people to have a little "news" to throw around.

I could go on and on about how the "facts" in the original article are very biased in their presentation and almost all taken out of context, but I wont. I think most of us can see that and dont blindly believe every piece of propaganda they see in print. And come on... the aurthor has to go back almost 60 years for some of his numbers. I doubt he was even alive then.

If you really want to find a meaning in all this, I think the lesson being presented is - Dont fuck with the US. And if you live in a country that does, and your leader moves a missle guidence station in next door to you..... move.

[quote="The Hagfish":b9cf7]No he did not. But the only reason the Iraqis invaded Kuwait was to get the oil there. The only reason we came to their rescue was because, in the minds of the oil companies who OWN George Bush and his son, it was OUR oil they were taking. The talk about defending a democracy was ridiculous as only males who are directly related to the royal family can vote in Kuwait.

But your point is well taken too, the U.S., or other civilized societies, do not murder civilians as a deliberate act for the sake of doing so – except in cases of all out war. But we (the CIA) DID set off a truck bomb outside a masque, very much like the one's extremists are setting off in Israel, in an effort to assassinate an extremist cleric, who survived even though a great many innocent people were killed. We DID fire cruise missiles into the Sudan and destroy the factory that made 90% of that nations antibiotics and other pharmaceuticals, killing another group of people. I wonder what we would call it if Hussein or any other person or group destroyed 90% of our pharmaceuticals, killing innocent people in the process? They would probably call it terrorism.

Regardless of how indefensible the acts of 9-11 were, the U.S.’s shortsighted and selfish dealings in other nations only fuel hatred in generations of children whose lives are misery because of the tyranny we support for the sake of “our own interests abroad”. Those children grow up seeing us as the major force of evil in the world – not entirely without reason.[/quote:b9cf7]

very good point hagfish.

Okay okay. i Apologize about that stupid rant and i apologize that i didnt say its copy pasted. peace okay ?

Yea yea. you guys can hit mee with a steel baseball bat.

i deserve it.

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