Even if the Bible was intended to do good, and even if Jesus performed his miracles; note, I'm not saying that I actually believe that; The christian priests have completely taken advantage of all of that to make money and to fill their greed. They used the faith to have control over Europe, and to brainwash people against rebelion against bad living conditions of the middle ages; not to mention the inquisitions and the stupid witch hunts. Christianity has transformed from something good, to something completely rotten. All religions are to keep control over large populations, isn't that ovbious? If one was atheist, what would have been his penalty for killing, stealing, ect? Nothing! So, one created a hell, to frighten everyone into obedience.

[quote="Recycled Spooge":dade6]Even if the Bible was intended to do good, and even if Jesus performed his miracles; note, I'm not saying that I actually believe that; The christian priests have completely taken advantage of all of that to make money and to fill their greed. They used the faith to have control over Europe, and to brainwash people against rebelion against bad living conditions of the middle ages; not to mention the inquisitions and the stupid witch hunts. Christianity has transformed from something good, to something completely rotten. All religions are to keep control over large populations, isn't that ovbious? If one was atheist, what would have been his penalty for killing, stealing, ect? Nothing! So, one created a hell, to frighten everyone into obedience.[/quote:dade6]

Would it be ever so ironic if i said "Amen" to that?

I don't believe in Religion...I think it is the reason we fight the reason we die for no apparent reason but to prove to the world that they are right when you can't prove shit.

Believe in god, that is cool...but fuck your religion.

ima christian , u just gotta have faith in god and believe biggrin:

Now to answer on why I am atheist, and not on why I don't believe in Christianity; I believe that all the living things on the earth are equals. A bug is equal to a human, a cell is equal to a bird. Human, bug and bird are all just vessels of cells. To me the all time symbol of life is a cell. Cells have evolved into organisms to reproduce and survive more efficienty. I believe that this is the purpose of all the organisms. What is the point of that? Well there isn't. Why do animals evolve? Because the cells want to survive. Where does the soul fit into this? Well, it doesn't. If there was a God, I believe that he created the universe at most, but right now he/she/it is long time gone. Any questions? cool:

[quote:0945e]not to mention the inquisitions and the stupid witch hunts[/quote:0945e]

Some people use a religion as an excuse to wage a war, convict someone of something, etc.

Just because one represents a religion (who abuses it and makes a bad name for it) doesn't mean the religion is based on "ones" beliefs.

Because being a chem major I know how the universe works (more or less), there's nothing divine or magical about it.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":a2adf]Because being a chem major I know how the universe works (more or less), there's nothing divine or magical about it.[/quote:a2adf]

Religion believes Science is evil and their bible is more proof then the ACTUAL proof science has came up with.

I remember hearing about a group of religious fanatics that believed God planted the dinosoar bones to mess with the non-believers. oOo:

I believe in God (I don't like the name though) but not in the christian God:

- the "Bible" was written by men seeking to enthrall the lowly populace with
flashy stories and a totally illogical final "punishment" for being a sinner:

- how can a supremely intelligent being created such a logical universe and
yet sentence his creations to an eternity of suffering for events that took
place in their lives, some of which they didn't really have any control over
(study sociology and criminology and you'll understand), also considering
that they only have ONE life to prove their worth to be accepted in "heaven"

Sorry, but even I hold a much more realistic view of a God and the afterlife!

Then there's always those nutcases who don't take their kind to the doctors saying that God will cure them.
There was a case not too long ago when a kid died from a common bacterial infection because of this.
In my book this is inhumane torture and should be punishable by death. (think back to when you had bronchitis or strept, not pleasant was it)

Aqualung



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In the beginning Man created God;
and in the image of Man
created he him.

2 And Man gave unto God a multitude of
names,that he might be Lord of all
the earth when it was suited to Man

3 And on the seven millionth
day Man rested and did lean
heavily on his God and saw that
it was good.

4 And Man formed Aqualung of
the dust of the ground, and a
host of others likened unto his kind.

5 And these lesser men were cast into the
void; And some were burned, and some were
put apart from their kind.

6 And Man became the God that he had
created and with his miracles did
rule over all the earth.

7 But as all these things
came to pass, the Spirit that did
cause man to create his God
lived on within all men: even
within Aqualung.

8 And man saw it not.

9 But for Christ's sake he'd
better start looking.

The essence of all religions is faith. One definition of faith is: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Early in human history faith is all we had to explain most of our world. Modern day humans have learned much since then, eliminating the need for faith in things that we've proven scientifically. We're continually learning and discovering the answers to things only a faith in God could explain. On the other hand, what happens when you trace the origins of everything back to the very beginning of it's existance? You end up at God. The beginning of our universe is the Big Bang (in theory). Where did all the matter, the elements, everything that makes up our universe come from? It just appeared one day from nothing? Bullshit. The only possible answer is God.

The truth is no living person really knows the truth.

Yes, but then you ask yourself, where did god come from, and the whole God idea makes no sense. We're back at the beginning.

where all pawns in a dream

[quote:a077a]Yes, but then you ask yourself, where did god come from, and the whole God idea makes no sense. We're back at the beginning. [/quote:a077a]

Like I said in another thread: between a universe appearing ex nihilo and
a prime mover designing it with a purpose, I'll go with the later. After all,
the geniuses who actually make humans take steps forward seem to be
convinced as well ;)

Besides, it gives you something positive to look at when nearing your
deathbed or just viewing life in general: somehow, reincarnation sounds
yummy biggrin:

if the big bang created the universe, what created the big bang?

http://www.3dgamers.com/games/ageofmythology/

the largest demo ive seen

[quote="Captain Bunny":c2ca7]

Quite probably there was a guy called jesus who everyone looked up to, much like a politition these days, there were always guys going about saying wise and witty things to crowds of people.[/quote:c2ca7]


Exactly! In my opinion, I don't believe in anything untill it is proven. And, untill you can prove to me there is a "God" or higher being, I will stick to "CONCRETE" proof. Such as there is in evolution. There are thousands of peices of evidence to prove old Chucky D's theories were correct. NOT ONE SINGLE PEICE OF EVIDENCE TODAY SUGGESTS OTHERWISE...Creationism that is. "Bring to me proof and I shall believe, but untill then, keep your brainwashed antics to yourselves!"

Now, onto the quote above about Jesus. In the times of his "so called" existance, society was (as a median) not as educated as it is today. We have discovered through scientific discoveries a substantial amount of information and passed it down through the last four or five generations in the form of education. Jesus was (to me) another "DAVID KIRESH", a cult leader, a man among children who wanted to feel immortal because the people who saw him as "superhuman" were not educated enough to know better. I just thank our past geniuses (and Mr. Darwin of course) for the education that he has brought to me and my generations to come. For now we can think for ourselves, and there (in my opinion) will never be another Jesus, Just wannabee Kiresh's that try to manipulate our now educated minds.

[quote:4a6d1]Just wannabee Kiresh's that try to manipulate our now educated minds.[/quote:4a6d1]

It's eduMAcated, stoopid! biggrin:

Yeah, like Montezuma II thought Cortez was the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl. The aztecs believed that Quetzalcoatl sailed off into the sea and will one day return. Well, Cortez used his new found empowerment to take advantage of the totally clueless Aztecs and took Montezuma as his prisoner and occupied the palace, the Aztecs rebelled, more Spaniards came, bloody battle ensued, Montezuma died, and the Aztec civilization crumbled. Religion is evil. Faith is evil.

Like I said in another thread: between a universe appearing ex nihilo and
a prime mover designing it with a purpose, I'll go with the later. After all,
the geniuses who actually make humans take steps forward seem to be
convinced as well ;)

Besides, it gives you something positive to look at when nearing your
deathbed or just viewing life in general: somehow, reincarnation sounds
yummy biggrin:[/quote:10c1c]

I don't know, heaven sounds incredibly boring, and an eternity is a long long time.

Again, I didn't say anything about believing in a simplistic heaven / hell
concept: I just said I believed in Gawd biggrin:

I really like this topic, keep it going!

or you're all going to Hell.....<--discuss

[quote="mr.miyagi":541b3]I really like this topic, keep it going!

or you're all going to Hell.....<--discuss[/quote:541b3]


You want discuss ?! NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!

You cant have a reward if there isnt a test. If it was all good and peachy, why would we need a heaven? The horrible shit you are talking about is a test, if it was easy, how could you prove yourself worthy? Who do you respect more, the guys that have things handed to them or the ones that earn it the hard way? The bible talks of the afflictions of jobe and the sacrifices of abraham. Jesus was tested upon the cross and tempted by satan in the desert. These were tests of their faith so that they could prove themselves worthy. These arent just christian concepts. They are shared, under different guises, by many religions - islam, buddism, hindu, judiaism (sp?) and even the some of the animistic religions had these characteristics.

I also tend to agree with some of the anti-religion remarks, but differently than you might think. It is possible to believe in a god and evolution. It is possible to believe in the bible with thinking it is a nonstop factual account. Many on the anti religion establishment tend to point out the failings of fundementalists. I tend to agree with those arguements, but dont make the mistake of applying their beliefs to an entire religion.

Yesterday I walked on water, parted the ocean and then just cause I was bored I played MoH singleplayer.

Dude, you're getting a hell! ed:

How much does a hell cost? do they run better than most computers? what kind of graphics card do they come with?

[quote="Pfc.Green":68ff3]Yesterday I walked on water, parted the ocean and then just cause I was bored I played MoH singleplayer.[/quote:68ff3]

you...played...sp? hake: what would mpowell say if he were here now...don't answer that

[quote="Pfc.Green":c3df8]How much does a hell cost? do they run better than most computers? what kind of graphics card do they come with?[/quote:c3df8]

Its all onboard, with an insufficiecnt power supply. If it isnt onboard, it had been welded to the motherboard. They suck and their ads are really annoying, but hell has a controlling market share.

Why don't you beileve in God?


Because he never exsisted. There is no satan no jesus christ. There is only the mind there is only danger. There was only one god and that was adolf hitler. Seig Heil! You are in control of your own mind and destiny.

[quote="Hans-AlbinVonReitzenstein":1005f]Why don't you beileve in God?


Because im an atheist[/quote:1005f]

Well said.

[quote=Strik0r]you...played...sp? hake: what would mpowell say if he were here now...don't answer that[/quote:da35e]

MOH has single player! Holy schnitzel

Glory 2 GOD!
 

I come not to try and push my opinions on anyone, or critizize anyone elses but here is what I truly feel...

I believe in GOD and my Lord Jesus, I confess that with my mouth, I know in my heart that throughout my life there has been only that one thing keeping me going in the right direction cool: .

At one time I didnt have God in my life and it was hell, but he was there all along the way as I believe he is in some of your lives who dont believe but He continues to have faith as I do in you. Say what you may want, I am not pushing these thoughts on anyone. But regardless of what anyone may say in my heart I feel the joy of the Lord and know that He is with me.

I have something I could witness to all day, what does someone with no belief witness to? Just a question... what can you witness to? What has helped you along the way?

Ill be honest. There have been times Ive prayed to god for things, and they have come true. So, for that, I believe there is a god.

What I dont believe in is religion. Yes, theres a god. No, there's not the whole system that was setup through the church, the bible, etc. That's my theroy anyways.

[quote="ST_Bazooka_Joe":0455e]Ill be honest. There have been times Ive prayed to god for things, and they have come true. So, for that, I believe there is a god.

What I dont believe in is religion. Yes, theres a god. No, there's not the whole system that was setup through the church, the bible, etc. That's my theroy anyways.[/quote:0455e]

well, I've waved my hand at the screen like Obi Wan during a Hockey game and my team scored right after, doen't make me a Jedi, does it?

I dunno, did you also say "You don't need to see his identification. . ."

[quote="Pfc.Green":52716]Yesterday I walked on water, parted the ocean and then just cause I was bored I played MoH singleplayer.[/quote:52716]

...pooped in the water after parting your butt-cheeks would probably be a more accurate assessment. eek:

[quote="Mr.X":f6446][quote="Pfc.Green":f6446]Yesterday I walked on water, parted the ocean and then just cause I was bored I played MoH singleplayer.[/quote:f6446]

...pooped in the water after parting your butt-cheeks would probably be a more accurate assessment. eek:[/quote:f6446]
HA! get it, assessment?





*walks away*

Re: Glory 2 GOD!
 

[quote="N O T F || Glory":21100]
I have something I could witness to all day, what does someone with no belief witness to? Just a question... what can you witness to? What has helped you along the way?[/quote:21100]
Since I'm a living organism, all I need to do is live, and if I live, I'm a pretty happy camper. I don't need to witness to anything.