They had no defense watsoever its not their fault their army wasnt strong enough to take on hitler dont blame them. Russia and Germany are still sufffering from the war so is france.

Yeah, even a human wasteland like Lonegunner can see that Arken. Pussies eh? Well, not everybody has the courage to bomb a third world country full of brown people and call it a war.

I guess going into WWll on the European front was a pussy move for the U.S. too huh?
Hey, where do terrorists come from?? Those same 3rd world countries full of lil' brown people?? You're right, thank god the U.S. has the courage to go against most countries in the world and bomb Iraq. You know the F****h were'nt gonna do a damn thing...as usual !!

Is America being attacked? Is an evil tirant invading them? Are the Americas a conquered nation?

No.

Why the hell do France have to help fight Iraq?

Excuse me for thinking this but it seems to me that Americans in general like war and are actually looking forward to seeing Iraqis die (at least this is the case with most Americans that I see discussing war on any of the many game boards I visit).

The only nation that thinks this war is needed/wanted is America. Believe me when I say that British people do not want this war.

Blair is almost totally alone in believing this war is the right thing to do. He's gone completely against opinion polls and his decision to go to war has caused the biggest revolt in a British political party in history. Brave? Stupid? That's his perogative.

So, based on this, I suppose the British must be pussies, too? This means that anyone who does not wish to proactively take part in the death of people is a pussy?

Stupid mentality.

France has absolutely no obligation to help America or Britain fight a war they are going to wage. I'm 100% certain that they would help if Iraq attacked one of the Allied nations though.

As they have just said.

Damn, they must be complete bastards... not wanting to kill people...

Unbelievable.

lol! so I guess we shoujld blame Poland for superior German technology, and Netherlands, and Belgium, and Norway and Russia hake:

Who gives a fuck what you guys think from the safety of your cushy computer chairs! The F****h are pussies, always were pussies, and will always be pussies! They don't need to fire a single shot to support the effort in Iraq....thats all i'm trying to say.

To hell with America and it's war loving people you say? Well, fuck off scumbag, you know nothing of how the majority of Americans feel....especially the ones who barely escaped with their lives on a quiet day in September.

This little campaign, how ever unpopular it is with the liberals of the world, is needed for the safety of the same liberals who live in it. If you can't see that, i don't know what else there is to say. In fact, flame on because i'm done with this thread !!

...and Arkan has reached a new low.

No, from the way people like you talk it seems you have to be pro-war to not be a pussy. I didn't say "To hell with America" once.

Yeh, I know nothing of how the majority of Americans feel, especially the ones who barely escaped with their lives on 9/11. Especially the Brits that also escaped with their lives, or the families that lost loved ones that day?

How about the thousands of families over here who have lost loved ones due to IRA terrorist attacks. I know nothing of that as well?

I know a lot about it, which is exactly why I don't believe in war. The Ireland conflicts have all but been resolved now and it was done using diplomacy and patience. We could quite easilly have sent in the SAS and our armed forces and obliterated the IRA at any time but that would be condoning what they did.

September 11th? Horrible day, horrible tragedy.

War in Iraq?

September 11ths will happen every week.

Only, this won't affect you, will it? So who cares...

Don't bother trying to justify war by bringing the old September 11th excuse out. That wasn't even Iraq.

It was a horrible event that affected thousands directly and millions indirectly.

Iraq will be no different, only bigger and much much longer-lasting. And it won't be affecting you.

My, what a brave person you are. Certainly not a pussy, are you?

Might I also point out that you are sat in the safety of your computer chair? Or are you actually on the font-line in Iraq right now with a lap-top?

Just because your nation is waging war on Iraq doesn't make you a bigger or better person, or nation, than anyone else.

Ha! I thought it was funny which word arkan blanked out. LOL. Sorry, no comment pretaining to the rest of the thread, I havent read it, but that one kind of amused me.


BTW - Just out of curiousity and completely off topic - to all the guys that like to point out how they think the US was late in joining WWII (and only those guys)- Where were you guys to help in the Pacific???? Other than the Aussies, I mean? Oh, that didnt involve you? The bombing of your allies, the slaughter of a million chinese wasnt your concern??? No, of course thats not a double standard.

I feel compelled to reply to your comments.
Let me start off by asking you this. Do you know why the coalition is waging war in Iraq?
Well, just incase you don't know, i'll state the reason here for you to see.

You see, once upon a time, there was this bad guy called Saddam Hussein. He ruled over a fierce regieme that tortured and gassed it's own people in a land called Iraq. Well, one day, this bad guy Saddam decided that having some nuclear weapons around would be fun. So fun infact, that he thought he could share them with his bad buddies called "terrorists". Now, with his evil friends, bad guy Saddam can spread his evil to all parts of the world while never leaving Iraq. Well, the people of the world found out about all of this and they decided to do something about it. So, 35 nations got together and called themselves a "coalition". This coalition of 35 nations thought they could sweet talk bad guy Saddam out of his ideas but no matter how hard the coalition tried, they were unsuccessful. The only other thing the coalition could do was to play the same game Saddam knows so well so they decided to go into Iraq and remove the evil toys from Saddams control. The coalition thinks this may prevent events like those that happened on that quiet September morning in a busy lil' place called New York. (thats a whole other story that i may share with you at a later date). So, there you have it.....the story of the bad guy Saddam and the good guys (the coalition) and their differences.

Now, what did we learn from this lil' story? Well, i'll tell you what we learned.
1. 35 nations seem to think this is necessary
2. This affects everyone around the globe......even Ireland (nukes in the wrong hands are no joke)
3. "diplomacy and patience" in this case was tried and didn't work.
4. The war in Iraq won't be affecting us directly.....only the people who were tortured and gassed by Saddam.
5. September 11ths WON'T happen every week.
6. .....that i'm not a pussy? Well, i don't think that was in the story.
7. .....i guess everyone has a right to an opinion....unless you're under Saddams thumb.

I'm fully aware what the reasons are for war.

What has that got to do with my post?

I have not yet said war is not needed. That's not up to me to decide, I'm not paid to make these decisions.

What I said was France have every right not to want to be involved in a war and they are not under any obligation to aid America.

You obviously disagree with that.

Anything else?

Nice story. I love a good fanasy.
1. This is true
2. This is true( except that there are no "right" hands for nukes to be in.
3. This is a lie. Diplomacy was a fallacy from the day Cheney decided to go after Saddam
4 I pray not. But Cheney and Bush in the rush for short term profits for their friend, have handed the anti-Armerican terrorist groups a recuiting tool on a silver platter.
6. I wouldn't know are care.
7. Or outside of Cheney/Bush's inner circle.

Gassing of the Kurds has nothing to do with the current situation. We could care less about the Kurds, The Kurds themselves fear Turkey more than Saddam.

The only thing that Saddam did wrong in was threaten our oil supply by invading Kuwait, then did he became evil in our government's eyes.

no, i think i covered everything.

Like it or not, I have to believe that the powers that be, know more about the true situation than we do. I also have to believe that France's motivation is much more driven by financial concerns than humanitarian. The french dont care about the iraqi people any more than they care about the US or cuba for that matter. They do care about money, it makes the world go round, in france as well as elsewhere. I am also thinking that the French are scared about having illegal dealings with iraq being uncovered.

I believe many countries are not publicly supporting the US based on public sentiment at home, but privately offering support because they cannot tell us all of the story.

Just my two cents and mine alone.

rush limbaugh pointed out, most of the countries in the coalition are former Soviet satellites. They know oppression when they see it..

[quote="Old Reliable":9a710]rush limbaugh pointed out, most of the countries in the coalition are former Soviet satellites. They know oppression when they see it..[/quote:9a710]

And they also know how to get money out of the US.

Poland does not! they are US's strongest ally in this region...hopefully I am going there this summer cool:

Bring back some of them awesome sausages, will ya? biggrin:



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[quote="Old Reliable":a0315]Poland does not! they are US's strongest ally in this region...hopefully I am going there this summer cool:[/quote:a0315]

Just a tip, don't take offence, but if anyone asks say you are from Canada.
I have a couple of freinds that just got back form celebrating their 25th annaversary in Europe two days ago. The went to Britan France Germany Italy Belguim, Demark........

They said they started telling people the were from Canada so they did not have to spend all of their time defending their country, and they dislike Bush more than I do.

[quote="Old Reliable":5fb58]Poland does not! they are US's strongest ally in this region...hopefully I am going there this summer cool:[/quote:5fb58]

Just a tip, don't take offence, but if anyone asks say you are from Canada.
I have a couple of freinds that just got back form celebrating their 25th annaversary in Europe two days ago. The went to Britan France Germany Italy Belguim, Demark........

They said they started telling people the were from Canada so they did not have to spend all of their time defending their country, and they like Bush much more than I do.

no you dont' understand, Poland is pro-USA. Ever since America's independence, Poland has supported the united states and vice-versa. Very deep ties, and I sure as hell will not say I'm Canadian !

the second post was an edit of the fisrt, that what you get for talking to someone while typing

ha, i see. even when I was in Russia I had no problem saying I was American..in fact it was a bonus being American biggrin: that was before the crash of Russian economy and devaluation of the Ruble

[quote="Old Reliable":0f998]lol! so I guess we shoujld blame Poland for superior German technology, and Netherlands, and Belgium, and Norway and Russia hake:[/quote:0f998]

No blame russia becuase their the dumshits selling anybody their weapons that they created just so they can earn money. They wont care if they sold a nuclear warhead to suddam himself all they care about is making money since we bankrupt them in WW2.

Sweet.

Excuse me but im British and im fully behind what action is being taken, ok so your anti war...i think no one in their right mind relishes the thought of war but your decleration that only blair is behind any backing for military action is just not true.
I and many I know believe that this action has been a long time coming, this regime has had 12 years to comply with UN resolutions to dissarm...this is not a new thing.
As for the French no we do not neither want or require their military assistance however what we did need is for them to support in a diplomatic capacity the resolution that they signed up for.
For them to say "we will veto ANY new resolution" publicly, now this undermined any chance of this being resolved peacefuly.
As for the French/American relationship this is most strained soley because France does not believe in anything other than a French led european union (to which im also against).
They want an all powerful, fanciful Europe and feel threatened by the might and power of 1 nation being a threat to their "cosy partnership with their european cousins"
I know who I would rather have closer ties with and that would be the united states, they have been there for us (britain) for the past century and long may it continue.

dooms.

If you read my other posts on the other similar threads regarding the war then you'd see that I have similar sentiments to you regarding America and this war, except for subtle differences, which I will not repeat here.

Of course Blair is not the only person who wants this war in the UK, I was being generalistic. Sorry if you thought I was stating a statistic.

Opinion polls are heavilly in favour of no to war in the UK. I meant that statement generally, not 100% accurately.

Blair is going against his nation's wishes (as per consensus). As I have said before this is his choice and a brave one and good on him for standing up for his beliefs.

I quote from the post of mine that you scrutinised:

[quote:3149f]Blair is almost totally alone in believing this war is the right thing to do[/quote:3149f]

Please not the word almost.

I just hope (yet again, as I've said elsewhere) that that he is right and this war has a positive end.

I still don't have to like it, though. And I don't.

Edit: Rephrase - "Of course Blair is not the only person who wants this war in the UK" to "Of course Blair is not the only person in the UK who wants this war."

Sorry, that wasn't proper grammar.