There were some good folks over at AAN, but some of the decision makers' bungholes are so puckered up that they can chew a hole in their seat cushions. It ruined teh atmoshpere.

I miss the aa.com days. Owning Ed with the m1 on buzzbomb raiders and getting accused of cheating. Ahh....good times. I had a screenie of it, but lost it when I had to reformat.

Heheheh, Smurfing is a way of life. All i do is smurf, why? Because its easy for people to steal strats and when TG is always on your ass you can't worry about some fluke that you'll be in the hall of owned. Also when some one sees .|a.M|. in your name they hop in the server asking for challenges and favors.

I've probably formed over 10 smurf clans in the last month. Its twice as fun smurfing. If there is a prob with smurfing then i'm guilty.

ah yes the good old days of the aa.com server. man i miss those..i even miss DOA ...wheres von when ya need him? l

as for the "other discussion" i dont know nor do i wanna know. i have deep respect for both aan and am and they all know it. i play the aan server occasionally too. its good seeing some of the old timers around. i try and try to get into a.m. server but man..i have had the most bad luck getting into that server for months. lol.

You got me there. We only run polls and have giant discussions on our forums about how changes are made. We only run these discussions for 2 or 3 weeks before finalizing the results. Guess that makes the entire community pretty tight-assed, no?

But that's why we love it so much. Because there's really no tossed salads in our neck of the woods, eh?

But regardless of what age we're in, Ed, it makes less sense to have to be vulgar with every sentance out of your mouth then it does to actually police the server and Teamspeak for it. Also, I'd like to see half of that language be used in a corporate work place, which is where half of these "kids" will eventually end up. I'd also like to see that sort of language used in the churches that some of these "kids" belong to. Or perhaps that kind of language when they're having a mild conversation with "Mommy" or "Daddy" about the weather. Perhaps the lesson we should all learn is that we should all teach our children that having a good time is impossible without screaming obscenities at your opponent.

Listen, I'm as much of the "truck driver" as any one of you in real life. But that doesn't mean that I think it's a necessary evil to use that same language whenever I type out a conversation with someone. Also doesn't mean that I should go ahead and broadcast my voice over Teamspeak to 5 - 15 people at once saying things like "shit, fuck, damn, you fucking hax0r!!"

Of coarse, I suppose since I stopped watching MTV back when they started programming shows instead of music, then I guess that makes my 28 years seem rather old to you.

Tog, if the only thing you're really concerned with is having people ask you for competition, then just drop your clan tags when you jump on the server. We always will have a deep respect for those friends we had back in the day, but you can't expect to get that same treatment if you're not willing to let us know who you are. How can you expect to have friends if you're not willing to be friendly?

[quote="Captain_McCusker":d76da]You got me there. We only run polls and have giant discussions on our forums about how changes are made. We only run these discussions for 2 or 3 weeks before finalizing the results. Guess that makes the entire community pretty tight-assed, no?

[/quote:d76da]

The condescending attitude and the nasty tone was all it took to keep me away. I never had a problem with the majority of the members of that community. It is rather amusing that you preach the high road, but all of your posts recently have been strait from the gutter.

gg

Well, call me a tight-ass because I wouldn't change one thing about the way AAN is run. I'd rather adhere to some rules than have loudmouth jerkoffs ruining my gaming experience. If you wanna cheat/smurf (whatever THAT is)/swear like a sailor, go play somewhere else.

For chrissakes, it's not that hard to understand. You come into our neighbourhood, you obey the rules. If you're not willing to do that, why bother connecting? More power to you if you wanna do that on your own server, but stay the hell away from me.

I like the swear filter, I like servers with an active admin that cruises for idiots and cheaters. I have never once told someone how to run their server and I always live by the rules specified by the server owner. I didnt care for the manner in which those standards were applied and I did stay away!! I am not on the aan forums telling them how they have it all wrong, am I?

The reason that I like the AAN server so much is that it is what the aa.com server used to be. All of y'all that are reminiscing about the "way it used to be" but at the same time bashing the AAN server crack me up. All of reasons that I was attracted to Rudedog's server to begin with are the same things that make AAN great. Admins that care about the community; clean, fair gameplay; realism; close-knit group of regulars. I highly commend ChickenBoo for all of his hard work and great server! He has provided a haven for those of us old aa.com guys who play for fun and fellowship. If your idea of fun is cussing at each other, spawn killing in the boats at Omaha beach, etc., I don't care, to each his own, but do it on another server. Everybody knows how the AAN server expects you to act, why show up if your not going to comply? I miss playing with Wintersforge, ktog, Judas, Von etc.. I wish they would come around and say hello, I don't see why it is necessary to hide behind an assumed name. Nobody on AAN is going to bug you for favors. (of course this old timer might put you in his own "Hall of the Owned" if by some freak accident I actually killed one of you - see previously posted Blu Bash! evil: )

aM are n00bs...and they play stock now I believe.

No offense, but the AAN server is NOTHING like the way RUDEs server was. Not EVEN close. As admined as his server was, you could still act like "one of the guys" without 5 or 6 members of the AAN "gang" trying to jump on you for typing out a swear word.

You could play on the server, without having to worry about some sanctimonious prick preaching to you about the ills of internet gaming and how clean and fun their own server was, yada yada yada.

I also didn't have to worry about some jag-hole with a personal grudge kicking me for SAYING that I'd use my tk's since you're given three before your kicked. That to me - was really the straw that broke the camels back. And of course, they'll never admit they were in the wrong, because boo and doc have enough people in the peanut gallery backing them up to make sure they are always "right".

And I wouldn't have known I was banned since I dont even bother anymore - it's not fun anymore killin them fools.

And that realism mod - WHEW! Stinky.

Well it's been a long time since I posted on this board and this thread is exactly why.
I'm the other "Winters" in question.

Gerard - you were banned because of a misunderstanding and were un-banned the next day. Akuma was typing console messages about you from ASE and we thought it was you that somehow had rcon access. You were kicked, banned and then when we worked it out, unbanned. Don't make a big deal out of it.

Ed - again a misunderstanding. I was trying to be the voice of reason when the whole thing started with you because I think a lot of things were misunderstood. What I understood as you joking others thought you were being serious. But when we tried to engage you in a serious conversation about it, you became a dick. I've read all the shit you said about me and us and of course I still think you're a little punk.

Judas - I always thought we were pretty tight in the AA days. I thought we got along great and I never had a problem with you, or WF or any of the DOA or aM or KAOS guys. What I don't like is the smurfing. I was the one that kicked and banned you that night because I didn't know who you were, you made teams uneven, and TKed. If I had known it was you I would have tried to reason with you.

Like Colonel and Zone said - you guys should all realize that the AAN server is modeled after the AA.com server - where we all met and had a really good time. Rude ran a tight ship and we do the same thing.

I personally have a short fuse for anyone being an idiot and don't want them to take away from my fun or the fun of the server. We all for the most part agree how we like the AAN server so if someone is TKing, swearing, or the one that pisses me off the most DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO COUNT and even teams, then I have very little tolerance for it. Read the rules, obey them or leave.

We put a lot of time and money into having what we think is a fun server. If our brand of fun is not what you like, you don't have to play it.

[quote="ED! Ban #126":13978]And that realism mod - WHEW! Stinky.[/quote:13978]

I have to admit it is pretty dinky, the only remotely realistic thing in it is the ppsh having a higher rate of fire and a bigger drum capacity. As far as realism goes thats it, since when did the stg 44 fire like it was a semi automatic assault rifle? Same question goes for the smg's as well.

All in all spearhead is good for one thing, rifling. Aside from that its the same old shite as mohaa only speeded up stupidly and given numerous bugs which ea refer to as "features". oOo:

Pardon me if i sound dumb but i fail to see the connection between me getting 10 kills and getting kicked as opposed to having rcon access. The thing that got me was any time i was racking up any amount of kills i was mystically kicked a few seconds later.

Coincidence? i dunno oOo:

you let Gerard get all those kills

damn you guys must be major n00bs.

Funny, I just concentrate on playing a leisurely game of "army" with some buds...I don't perch on my computer chair like a hawk and nitpick about the StG's rate of fire.

Anyway, I'm going to unwind my panties from the knot they've made themselves into and bow out of this conversation. There's no sense wasting time and effort trying to change the minds of those who don't want to listen to anything but the sound of their own keyboard keys clicking.

Rock on Boo, Doc, Winters, Col, and all the other guys I enjoy playing MoH with. Rock the fuck on.

So Gerard - the guy that made a mod that allowed the M1 to reload in mid clip is complaining about our realism.

It's not so much "realism" as it is balance. It shouldn't take a whole clip from a machine gun to kill someone. It shouldn't take 3 shots from a rifle to kill someone when all the other n00bs are using MGs. We like for balance and I think it works great. The AAN Realism takes skill. You need to be a good shot, not just spray and pray. You need to make your shots count. Many of us are bolt-action only and it works with our style.

About the swearing - I honestly could care less about the swearing. I fucking swear all the time evil: But the consensus was that we didn't like it so I go along with it. I do think it's idiotic when someone types a message that says "WTF that was fucking bullshit". Really it's the complaints and the swearing for the sake of swearing that annoys me.

[quote:49b9c]Ed - again a misunderstanding. I was trying to be the voice of reason when the whole thing started with you because I think a lot of things were misunderstood. What I understood as you joking others thought you were being serious. But when we tried to engage you in a serious conversation about it, you became a dick. I've read all the shit you said about me and us and of course I still think you're a little punk.[/quote:49b9c]

BS. What was done was more of the same reactionary knee-jerk BS actions that go on here with some of your "cool peeps". Whether its locking threads started by "flagged" members, or kicking folks because of what you "think" they are doing - it's all the same. Sorry, but that's a PRETTY PETTY and crap way to run a server.

And voice of reason? You were the one who started it. oOo: Oh, and BOO's diplomatic "Well just consider it a warning (a warning against WHAT? - )", was VERY mature and totally didnt deserve the subsequent attitude given to them.

gg best thread ever

[img]http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/gofuckyourselfshotgun.jpg[/img]

Sorry to inform you but the m1 garand CAN be reloaded mid clip in real life. Theres a button at the side of the chamber, thats pressed in pull back the bolt then remove the clip. Obviously this part of the animation wasn't included but never the less it could be reloaded mid clip albeit a bit slower than what i changed it to.

Tell us how you really feel you Stock-Map-Playing-Shotgun-Whoring-Hax0r!

AA.COM/AAN's dirty laundry getting tossed all over the place.

[quote:89cb1]Sorry to inform you but the m1 garand CAN be reloaded mid clip in real life. Theres a button at the side of the chamber, thats pressed in pull back the bolt then remove the clip. Obviously this part of the animation wasn't included but never the less it could be reloaded mid clip albeit a bit slower than what i changed it to.[/quote:89cb1]

Oppsies.

Exactly. The 2 are unrelated. You were using a different name - not Gerard. Akuma was using rcon from ASE so he wasn't in the game. There were no other admins on so nobody could have been typing console messages. We didn't know Akuma was doing it. The messages said something about you owning people. We thought somehow you had rcon and got rid of you.

The only reason the stripper clip was included was for balance.

PS: In the goof of pick bleu, Lion-o said on TS "Blue and tog, if you are a going to goof off, tell me and i'll leave!"

Haha so lemme get this straight. You see a sniper laying waste to lockjaw and his band of cronies and automatically assume this sniper has gained control of the server. And then im subsequently kicked for messages of "ownage" in the console.

When im playing moh i dont usually start spouting "owned" unless some jackoff is shouting it at me.






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[quote:ef419]. The messages said something about you owning people. We thought somehow you had rcon and got rid of you.[/quote:ef419]

Reactionary. Jerk. Knee.

And to think, I used to be [OTD]Groupie ED.

hake:

You are fucking thick. Like I said - the 2 had NOTHING to do with each other. I didn't know how well you were doing. Console messages about you (it wasn't Gerard - it was another name you were using) were being typed and nobody knew who was typing them. We assumed it was you and kicked you. You were unbanned about 12 hours later. Do I have to draw a fucking picture for you or do you understand now?

Ed - if I had all my old screenshots and the old AAN forums had that post, you would see how you are wrong. Like I said I defended you and was on your side at first. I got pissed at you when you said "I get 3 TKs and I intend to use them all". If you had listened to us and respected our rules all this wouldn't have happened. But again, you continue to be a dick.

I'll just say I invite all of you to play AAN. Use your real names and play by our rules. If you don't like it, you don't have to stay. But don't complain and tell us how this or that is bullshit - it's the way it is and the way we like it.

I dunno wtf to believe, i dont think i was banned from the server as i got back in a few times and was kicked a few more times after i got any type of kill streak going.

oOo:

[quote="ED! Ban #126":1b679][quote:1b679]. The messages said something about you owning people. We thought somehow you had rcon and got rid of you.[/quote:1b679]

Reactionary. Jerk. Knee.

And to think, I used to be .|a.M|. Groupie ED.

hake:[/quote:1b679]

[quote:f3fca]

You are fucking thick. Like I said - the 2 had NOTHING to do with each other. I didn't know how well you were doing. Console messages about you (it wasn't Gerard - it was another name you were using) were being typed and nobody knew who was typing them. We assumed it was you and kicked you. You were unbanned about 12 hours later. Do I have to draw a fucking picture for you or do you understand now?

.[/quote:f3fca]

And to that i say bollocks.

[quote="ED! Ban #126":56fa3][quote:56fa3]. The messages said something about you owning people. We thought somehow you had rcon and got rid of you.[/quote:56fa3]

Reactionary. Jerk. Knee.
[/quote:56fa3]

No we kept asking Gerard if it was him that was typing the message and he never responded.

[quote=nomar]Reactionary. Jerk. Knee.
[/quote:70cc6]

No we kept asking Gerard if it was him that was typing the message and he never responded.[/quote:70cc6]



I dont remember anything like that at all, all i remember is getting 10 kills on stalingrad then being booted, i dont remember any messages asking me anything.

[quote=wintersforge]Reactionary. Jerk. Knee.

And to think, I used to be .|a.M|. Groupie ED.

hake:[/quote:f9df1][/quote:f9df1]

OMFG HAX0RZ!! I CNAT STAND IT!! OMFG!!! M16: M16: mad: bigzooka:

[quote:f9df1]No we kept asking Gerard if it was him that was typing the message and he never responded.[/quote:f9df1]

Might have been too busy killing you guys to bother.

As far as the "TK Incident" is concerned - lighten up. That will always stand out in my mind as the "way" things are done on AAN, and it doesn't seem like any sort of isolated incident.

biggrin: I think he also said something like: "you guys might as well smurf if you're going to screw around" LOL!

So this thread went straight to hell. I didn't think it would turn out like this, but cest la vie. Don't even try and flame me for the french.

First, you aught to research your comments before saying the realism is wrong. I could easily show you all of the documents I modeled the realism after, but I'd hate for you to have to do all that work. I spent apprx. 2 weeks of my time putting into that realism everything I could find on the subject based on hard-cold-facts. Tell me how you modeled your realism? Did you shoot off an STG recently and figure that 750 rounds per minute was accurate? That must mean you actually counted those rounds... hmmm, you're better than I pegged you for. But let's see, the documentation that I modeled my realism after says the STG has the exact ROF as the BAR. By my calculations that makes the BAR and STG ROF at about 550 RPM. Sorry if that offends you. Also, I could care less personally if the M1 reloads in mid-clip. Only reason why I didn't bother developing that is because everyone begged me to leave it alone.

Gerard, you have our apologies if you were wronged. Leave it at that. You don't want to come back, then fine, don't. Since I hardly knew you to begin with, it's not a big loss to me. But I can vouch for what happened because the next day we had a big discussion about it which is why you were unbanned. To take any mistake like that as something personal even after you were given plenty of apologies is rather arrogant in itself, isn't it?

Truth be told that when it's all done and over with, we've actually been more relaxed with all of the people we knew from the aa.com server then we were with anyone else on our server. I mean, the mere fact that I even gave Ed more of a chance I think says it all since I hated Ed from the very first post I read from him - which was a direct insult to someone when they were looking for useful information. Wintersforge was admired by all who knew him including myself and I believe Holly admires him and the only thing semi-disrespectful he might have said is that he though he might have what it takes to go one on one with him. But that's about the only thing I've personally ever heard him say.

In any case, Zone was and is right. There's no point in defending our server to you all or how we run it. I think I speak for everyone on that server, which includes a ton of mature people who've been lucky enough to have never met a number of you who also enjoy the way things are run there, when I say that we're actually glad you don't come around anymore. Things have been relatively quiet and as I said before, we haven't even made any real suspicion about a cheater. The only times we suspect things, we give more than ample ways to prove our suspicions wrong.

So, as always, enjoy thinking that you're right and contridicting yourselves by claiming someone else is all high and mighty when all you do is sit here and come up with intelligent ways of saying you're better than all the rest. When it comes right down to it, it's all about ego for you. If you enjoy having egos that require the entire space of a 20 person game server, then by all means, go on living in your dream worlds. Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you start spouting off about how this post is aimed at all members of aa.com, aM, KaoS, DOA and everyone else in the world instead of the real target here. Doesn't take a real brain surgeon to figure that one out. oOo:

Oh, and I never claimed to be like Rudedog or have half his admining talent. When we started this whole venture, our goal was to try and set something up like what he had accomplished. I still think that it was a terrible loss to the entire MOH community to see his time for admining become shorter and shorter until he had to shut down the server. I would love to see all servers run in the spirit that he ran his, but too many people would rather have fun at other peoples' expense than try to have fun on the same terms as those they play against/with.

Enjoy the pedastal you've made for yourself. Eventually someone with so much pent up anger must find another avenue to vent it out.

[quote="ED! Ban #126":74db8]As far as the "TK Incident" is concerned - lighten up. That will always stand out in my mind as the "way" things are done on AAN, and it doesn't seem like any sort of isolated incident.[/quote:74db8]

At this rate I'm going to be Military Police by the end of the day.

Anyway Ed you've got it all wrong. I defended you all that time.

You amused me with your old school rap quotes and I had no problem with you. 2 of our admins misunderstood what you said in console. I knew you were joking and they thought you were being arrogant. It just snowballed from there. The misunderstanding just spun out of control.
I was the one that defended you in the AAN forums and on TS because I thought they were being rude, talking about you while you could hear them on TS. They didn't know you were there and I felt bad for you because you heard them badmouthing you - for what I knew was a misunderstanding on thier part. Like I said I tried.

When I saw your posts about me here and on the vets forum, that was it though. It's too bad it happened this way. We put up with regulars on our server that "annoy" us. You just took it too far.

[quote="ED! Ban #126":8c75f]No offense, but the AAN server is NOTHING like the way RUDEs server was. Not EVEN close. As admined as his server was, you could still act like "one of the guys" without 5 or 6 members of the AAN "gang" trying to jump on you for typing out a swear word.[/quote:8c75f]

I respectfully disagree - especially about the cursing. I never saw anybody curse on aa.com without someone asking them to watch their language. Of course towards the end of aa.com I was spending most of my time on AAN so it might have gotten out of control. I don't know. Maybe that's why it was taking up too much of Rude's time and he gave it up.

oOo: Yeah I guess so Bleu. BTW, I'm the former "Maj. Winters (Easy Company) in your screenshot from the aa.com days. That's me saying "thus ends the great mauser experiment". I hated that map and it was such a tough map for a mauser n00b to learn on!

[quote="Captain_McCusker":9a352]First, you aught to research your comments before saying the realism is wrong. I could easily show you all of the documents I modeled the realism after, but I'd hate for you to have to do all that work. I spent apprx. 2 weeks of my time putting into that realism everything I could find on the subject based on hard-cold-facts. Tell me how you modeled your realism? Did you shoot off an STG recently and figure that 750 rounds per minute was accurate? That must mean you actually counted those rounds... hmmm, you're better than I pegged you for. But let's see, the documentation that I modeled my realism after says the STG has the exact ROF as the BAR. By my calculations that makes the BAR and STG ROF at about 550 RPM. Sorry if that offends you. Also, I could care less personally if the M1 reloads in mid-clip. Only reason why I didn't bother developing that is because everyone begged me to leave it alone.

[/quote:9a352]



The stg did have the same rate of fire as the bar but the problem is that ingame the bar's firing style is screwed up. The b.a.r in real life did not fire like "chunk chunk chunk" as its represented ingame, it was more akin to how the sturmgewehr fires the rounds came out fast and it wasn't like a semi auto with someone battering the trigger like how the bar is in stock or most other realism mods for that matter. If you were to increse the bar rate of fire and match the stg with it it owuld be more realistic.

You honestly think the way the bar is in stock or your mod that it could possibly fire 500 rounds per minute? It would be lucky if it got half that.

I'm sorry, Bleu. I saw Ed's response to Holly and thought, "well, this wouldn't be a real aa.com thread if it didn't have Ed and someone going back and forth ruining the thread." Sorry it had to be your thread that made the grade.

BTW, I remember playing against you back in the day and I would think "WTF, is all of KaoS this frickin' good? Can't even get a frickin' shot off! Grrr!" I actually spec'd WF quite a few times to see what his frickin' secret was as I couldn't figure out how to stop him. Of coarse, there was this one time I jumped on the KaoS server while you guys were running objective. I spent 90% of every round just watching while I waited until I could get another try. I'll be damned if I got more than 2 or 3 kills on that map, and I'm almost positive that it was either a lucky shot or someone who wasn't in KaoS.

IMO, KaoS and what is now aM are two of the most respected clans, IMO. There was talk once about LLC taking on aM just for fun and to see how we would measure up, but we decided against it since there was some bad blood between a member or two of ours and a member or two of yours. I think that's a tragedy as it had the potential of being a lot of fun even if it was frustrating.

Oh, Gerard, it isn't always about score. If you understand that, then you might have an easier time understanding what Winters is saying.

As has been stated, it was the knee jerk, hot head reactions that turned me off. It had none of the smooth talking, consistent, even handed authority of rude dogs server. I could barely ask a question on aan about the server setup with out getting the "dont like it? then leave" response. That was way back in the day. I dont know what it is like now, and havent really cared. I pretty much forget that it exists until the aan crew comes here and reminds us of how sorry we are and what we are missing. oOo: The worst part is that you have me agreeing with ED. ed: Thats happening more and more lately. WTF?

[quote="Captain_McCusker":da3bd]
Oh, Gerard, it isn't always about score. If you understand that, then you might have an easier time understanding what Winters is saying.[/quote:da3bd]

Im quite aware moh isn't all about score but play on 99.9% of the servers and it is all about score. I play dod so im well aware teamwork is needed however in moh it just never seems to happen. If you havn;t got like 50 kills 5 deaths by the end of the round you practically get laughed at which is the reason i dont play moh much.