<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
lol dumbass <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope you get banned soon. You do nothing but insult people. Go back to the cave you came from.

This is what I think:
Before World War I, Germany became the stronges [economic wise] country in the world, stronger than Britain and the US.
The British didn't like that so they would take every chance at a war. Germany lost. Britain takes EVEREYTHING away from Germany, thinking that this way the Germans will not come back to full strenght for many decades to come, not caring about Germany's future or its people. That was very selfish and arrogant. The British could have stopped World War II by not letting Germany completely down. What do you expect a country does if you drag it into the dirt? Germany's economy was, on a scale from 1-10, at -2. Years passed and the British still didn't care. Germans became desperate and would take every chance at getting Germany back to a good country. That only chance was Hitler. Britain could have possible stopped World War II. But they refused to give a damn.

Well neither did the rest of the world Manny, remember, it wasn't only Chamberlain that was at the last meeting with Hitler before he allowed him to divy up the the Czechs, Daladier was there also. And don't forget the isolationist factions of America who needed an attack on Pearl Harbor, and a declaration of war by Germany to finally join up. Not too mention the members of the League of Nations who let the Germans completely nullify the Versailles treaty, with rearmarment and the occupation of the Rhineland. The list goes on and on...

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why was britian supposed to care? why do u think britian owed germany something. they didn't owe them shit, and their feeling had nothing to do with anything... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Manny:
This is what I think:
Before World War I, Germany became the stronges [economic wise] country in the world, stronger than Britain and the US.
The British didn't like that so they would take every chance at a war. Germany lost. Britain takes EVEREYTHING away from Germany, thinking that this way the Germans will not come back to full strenght for many decades to come, not caring about Germany's future or its people. That was very selfish and arrogant. The British could have stopped World War II by not letting Germany completely down. What do you expect a country does if you drag it into the dirt? Germany's economy was, on a scale from 1-10, at -2. Years passed and the British still didn't care. Germans became desperate and would take every chance at getting Germany back to a good country. That only chance was Hitler. Britain could have possible stopped World War II. But they refused to give a damn.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Britain was suppose to care because the buildup of weapons, men, and material (not too mention their occupation of land that wasn't theirs in the first place)was an obvious prelude to war. A war which could have been avoided if Britain had focused on rebuilding Germany and pacifying them instead of enraging them with the treaty of Versailles.

u don't pacify a beaten enemy. u crush them. like the allies did when they finished their sorry asses.

i will say this though. the germans are like school girls compared to the japanese. those ppl are sick. their atrocities against civilains and pows were pathetic.

Read the book Ghost Soldiers, it's about the rescue of survivors of the Baatan death march and their life in the camps, gives a good idea on just how mistreated our boys were.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
Germans were a bunch of morons for following a meglomaniac like hitler. i say call em all nazi's. it's so pathetic that the silent majority in germany sit back and let hitler do what he did to the world.

duty to their country...puhlease...

friggin rednecks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Let me put this in terms that a hick like yourself may be able to relate to.

Imagine this. A New president is elected for the USA....He's Republican....he decides to take over the world and gathers all the young men in the country to fight for him, he promises them everything they could wish for and makes it sound beautiful.... a lot of them are not for the republican but are just fighting for their country or have been brainwashed by so much propoganda that they cant even think straight.

The President comes off as an evil, insane man and nobody likes him or the evil things he does to the world. The republicans are now known as an evil party.

Do you think it's fair to say that the majority of the soldiers that fight for him that are either non-republican and are just fighting for their country or the ones that are so young and brainwashed that they dont know any better should be considered to be (evil) Republicans?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
u don't pacify a beaten enemy. u crush them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The British crushed Germany during World War I, and it caused another war 2 times as big as the first one...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Graverobber:
Read the book Ghost Soldiers, it's about the rescue of survivors of the Baatan death march and their life in the camps, gives a good idea on just how mistreated our boys were.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Currently reading it...excellent book, but very upsetting what happened. Disgusting, at times.

How far along are you?

guys why are u trying to xplain this to this idiot? U have said enough to make this guy understand. But he still doesnt.

He just doesn't want to understand or admit that he could be wrong. Freakloins is just messing with u guys, he doesnt care. The more annoyed u guys get te more he likes it.

Dont give him wut he wants!

The Grossdeutschland division (which my SIG is named in honor of) was originally formed as Wachregiment Berling, back in the 1920's. It had no polticial affiliation with the Nationalist Socialist German Worker's Party at all, and was simply incorperated into the army as a regular division. Albeit touted as "The pride of the German people", Grossdeutschland was in fact formed of young men who had barely any training. However, it eventually got it's act together and proved itself time and time again, becoming one of the most experienced non-Waffen SS units avalible to the German army. It was eventually whittled down to almost nothing by 1945 after almost continous combat on the Eastern front, and eventually surrendered. While it was true some SS tank commanders served in the GD, none of them committed atrocities until long after they had been transfered out.

Just a fun little history lesson, and while I'm not saying that the GD soldiers were knights in shining armor, they were originally created to defend their nation, and in a sense were mislead and used by for his own schemes.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Graverobber:
How far along are you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Only page 73...got it for Christmas and haven't had time to read much due to work and my TiVo (wow!!). The first few pages (the japs shooting & burning the American's in the trenches, including the sword slicing the guy's head in half...) were more than enough for me to slow down. A great book, and very eye-opening.

The average German soldier was not a nazi....he was simply doing his duty to his country. Sure, some were. All SS Units were definately nazi, and thus were treated as such when the war finished.
I dislike people labelling all soldiers on the German part of the axis side as nazis and when a DEVELOPER called axis soldiers Nazis that really shocked me as to how little fact had been looked into. As a patriotic American I know Hollywood (which, face it, is where most of us get our knowledge of WW2) usually paints a black and white picture of good vs. bad - american vs. nazi but this wasnt the case. If you look at SPR there they tried to show there was evil on both sides. I'm not saying the Germans werent aggressors or being run by an awful fascist dicatorship, but the avg. soldier himself would have been fighting to save his life and his country NOT for hitler. Please do not make the mistake.


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Germans were a bunch of morons for following a meglomaniac like hitler. i say call em all nazi's. it's so pathetic that the silent majority in germany sit back and let hitler do what he did to the world.

duty to their country...puhlease...

friggin rednecks

FYI..most German mainstream soldiers were unaware of the atrocities that Hitler was reigning down on the world. To say that all German soldiers are "Nazi's" in ignorant. Just my .02

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yeah...nice flame....real intelligent,musta took a LOT of thought....nOOb....damn...
I have to agree with the dice...and YOU are prolly just ANOTHER kid Blinded by hollywood...
you wanna try and compare the history of war??I bet you a buck I can state SEVERAL instances where the US committed acts of genocide...what about "duty to the country"...huh?
What you gotta say about that?....does that make the ENTIRE American Armed forces EVIL????


And how in the Hell were the "silent majority"of people in germany supposed to do something about it???
hitler Had an enire division of troops that were his personal bodyguards (the Waffen-ss 1st division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler)that'd be just like us trying to go and get the President of the US....
not a real smart thing to try....
now how Pathetic is that?? and how do we know that something WASN'T tried....obviously they failed...but who are we to accuse an ENTIRE nation...???

that is just plain stoooopid....exactly what I expected from a nOOb.....


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THXXXXX U DICCE!!!!!!!!!! THX U for saying this. I've also been trying to say this in lamespy. But people say we should of made them make a huge whol and nuek the krauts.
DAMNIT! The soldier is just a soldier fighting fo rhis country. Ok Germany was brainwashed by properganda and Hitler Theory.
If I HAD A CHOISE I WOULD OF FOUGHT IN THE WERMACHT OR THE LUFTWAFFE THEN THE DAMN MESSED UP RED ARMY!!! The red army made conscipts march into minefields to pave the way. They also raped Young women in Germany. Also Stalin killed more people then Hitler. (hitler is 3rd stalin 2nd) This is all im gona say now but il be back. Oh yeah also! Germany loss of stupid decision bye hitler. IF he luanched OPeration sea lion Britain be Geramny. ALso if hilter said to Japan he'll declar war on US if only japan helped him attack russia. OKim getting worked up so bye.

Not all germans where nazis...

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ALSO FREAKALOIN 9what ever ur name is) SOME PEOPLE DID TRY TO KILL HITLER! Field Marschal Rommel liked HItler before but then started to dislke him.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Telephone:
i myself have no problems with germans, iIl know some old ppl who still wont drive a mercedes or any other german car, these ppl will never ever forget!

Nazi, germans, whatever u call them, it doesn’t really matter, some ppl’s here’s grandparents, who are prob still alive contributed one way or another to the mass murder of 6 million jews.

There is absolutely no way u can argue otherwise, unless u are a budding 'Hitler youth' and judging by some of yr sigs i don’t think im wrong!

It makes me laugh how u try and justify Hitler’s actions, and even blame other country’s US, UK, France.

reading some of yr posts, maybe having Nazi’s in a computer game is a bad idea after all!

It looks like Nazi's are getting back into fashion in a big way, and every kid jumping on the 'Nazi R cool' bandwagon, not really knowing any better!

BTW im not Jewish<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yet another mind-less post from a nOOb....
we are NOT pro-nazi here....and our sigs are from our SQUAD....which all have disclaimers stating that we are not pro-nazi...
I expected some nOOB would come in here and start in on the axis squads....
we are just a GAME CLAN ....we can't ALL be the allies in this....someone has to be the "bad-guys".....
and I think that by saying this I speak for ALL the guys playing as an "axis" clan/squad

and we are not "kids"damn near all of us are over 18...I myself am 25....so keep your smart-ass comments to yourself,as you are just enflaming an already tense DISSCUSSION
we are NOT,by any means attacking each others loyalties/political views....we are simply trying to state facts vs. OPINIONS.
for you to come in here and start Flaming individuals simply based on our sigs is downright childish...and I sincerely hope you get a clue....


stare at this sig and the writing above it,nOOb....


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I agree with telephone: I didn't think it would be such a big deal before, but now it seems that people are starting to think Nazis are cool and sympathizing with them. Even 'non-Nazi' German army. It doesn't matter if they thought it would help them financially, or bring honor to the country, or save their life. A good person has to take a stand in such situations. And many people did, so it is not impossible. It just shows the character of those who gave in. Like they say, difficult times don't just change a person, they reveal part of him. I have nothing against Germans, and I think the same would have happened in any country.

Hey man, I'm older than you and your sig looks pretty pro Nazi to me. I can't read German. Does that say something about you not being pro-Nazi? I can't read it and neither can almost anyone else here, primarily young american boys.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I agree with telephone: I didn't think it would be such a big deal before, but now it seems that people are starting to think Nazis are cool and sympathizing with them. Even 'non-Nazi' German army. It doesn't matter if they thought it would help them financially, or bring honor to the country, or save their life. A good person has to take a stand in such situations. And many people did, so it is not impossible. It just shows the character of those who gave in. Like they say, difficult times don't just change a person, they reveal part of him. I have nothing against Germans, and I think the same would have happened in any country.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

including America

Fine you voiced ur opinion. Personally I think the first bit of what you said is wrong and there's nothing that points to it being right.

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[This message has been edited by Dice (edited January 11, 2002).]

"My honour is called loyalty" (if my german is any good)
Then it says "Stinky Führer" "Nation Klaus"

Only the two SS make it dubious.

And for some reason, I can't understand what Telephone is writing.

But please, the Germans did not know that they were doing the "wrong" thing. They were fighting for their country. They wanted one great Germania (das dritte Reich). More than 7 years Hitler was the leader of Germany, before he started the war. He had time enough to convince the people of the necessity of a war (remember, opposition was forbidden). Propaganda movies, posters, audiographs were distributed amongst the people. The Germans only heard one opinion. It's a psychological phenomenae that people just "follow the flow" when there's only one opinion, and don't forget Hitler's mass meetings! It was a lot of social pressure, that is VERY difficult to withstand.

NO
the last thing the german population wanted after ww1 was to began another one. pplz dont forget hitler used the jews for all bad things, i mean if the country was poor then the jews are guilt, if pplz ge t now work , jews are guilt or guilty. also joker LOL yeah all soilders in the wehrmacht were nazis, lol all enemys in mohaa are nazis...lol
and may be u have to see .many spoilders who had to do so fucked up things in the camps , they that if they would not do it another one would do it , this not make it acceptable!

No offence guys but I bet that none of you, NONE OF YOU, not one single person here has ever read any type of book about the life of a Jew inside Germany between 1933 and 1945. According to some of you people the holocaust was the fault of is like two members of the Nazi party now. :P You just keep on defending everything and you're basing it on what? The accounts of a German soldier that was stationed in Normandy? People saw that Jews were being beaten, their stores were being destroyed by "Nazi hooligans", and the MAJORITY of the people supported it because they did it too. The German shopkeepers put up signs, "No Jews allowed". Jews were robbed and their houses were burned down. They weren't allowed to go to school with other kids. People were given away by some nazi sympathizer on where they were hiding. If these SS officers were so nice and kuddly, why didn't they just say that they got all the Jews in Berlin and stop searching, but no they kept on looking because they wanted to. They didn't have to know about the camps. All of this should already be bad enough to start protests and stop the madness. People also had the Mein Kampf, they were able to read it, after they would have read it they would probably know what was going on.

In terms of the Soviet soldiers which are blamed being as evil as the Nazis; you have to understand that these people have seen Auschwitz, mass graves of their own citizens, they heard terrible accounts, and other horrific things on their way to Germany from the prisoners and the populations they liberated. Also they lost 20,000,000 people and their cities such as Stalingrad were totally destroyed. When they reached Germany, even if they weren't already pissed off enough, they saw these people being filthy rich, compared to their standards, and spoiled. On the other hand the Soviets were tired and exhaisted, and they lived in terrible living conditions after they have been forced to fight a war by the Germans themselves. I could understand why the Soviets would have raped and destroyed cities. I personally think that the Soviets went VERY easy on the Germans during their attack on Germany. The Soviets lost 20,000,000 and the Germans lost 10,000,000. If they were really evil and sought real revenge they would have killed 10,000,000 more Germans.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Telephone:
i myself have no problems with germans, iIl know some old ppl who still wont drive a mercedes or any other german car, these ppl will never ever forget!

Nazi, germans, whatever u call them, it doesn’t really matter, some ppl’s here’s grandparents, who are prob still alive contributed one way or another to the mass murder of 6 million jews.

There is absolutely no way u can argue otherwise, unless u are a budding 'Hitler youth' and judging by some of yr sigs i don’t think im wrong!

It makes me laugh how u try and justify Hitler’s actions, and even blame other country’s US, UK, France.

reading some of yr posts, maybe having Nazi’s in a computer game is a bad idea after all!

It looks like Nazi's are getting back into fashion in a big way, and every kid jumping on the 'Nazi R cool' bandwagon, not really knowing any better!

BTW im not Jewish<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I actullay agree with you 100%. I made a topic a few weeks ago that many games do glorify the Nazis/SS because they choose to ignore the atrocities they committed in the war. People don't learn because many people will never willingly pick up any type of book about the Holocaust. By the way people, the Nazis murdered 12,000,000, not 6,000,000. DUHHHHH!! PEOPLE!! DUHHHHH!!! 6,000,000 were only Jews.



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Hey man, I don't care whether you belong to the national socialist whatever party or not. If you go out maiming and killing like the German soldiers did, you are a Nazi, plain and simple. Take Atilla the Hun for example. That guy was a Nazi for sure. Why do you think they called the Germans 'the Hun?' As if I needed any more proof, take Adolf Hitler as an example. Anybody who knows anything knows that he definitely had Nazi leanings. And if you're still to stubborn to admit it, then how about Saddam Hussein? If he isn't a Nazi, I don't know who is. And don't forget that pure Nazi Osama Bin Laden. You can't argue with that. I rest my case.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
Germans were a bunch of morons for following a meglomaniac like hitler. i say call em all nazi's. it's so pathetic that the silent majority in germany sit back and let hitler do what he did to the world.

duty to their country...puhlease...

friggin rednecks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

just like the americans in vietnam? a stupid war were they went anyways cause they were told to do so?

Or the british in numerous occasions in the past too?

a soldier goes where he is send, being the attacking party or the defending party..

It was the Gestapo that was hunting the jews not the SS.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lone_Wolf:
It was the Gestapo that was hunting the jews not the SS.

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Not always.

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I dont want to argue what every single person did in ww2 so please lets stop this.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freakaloin:
the majority of germans were not brainwashed, but they just sat back and did nothing.

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lol U know a shit
my teacher told us a few days ago a history happend in my city
a old woman saw a jew doing a unneccessary work,she wanted to help him and she asked the SS soilder who stood next him why this man must do this, hes hungry and looking tired. the ss soilder told her that if she say one more word she could do the work for the jew. ppl had not many chances to do sth. if they had done sth some wuld have reported this to the police and they were busted. also to say that ppls have nothing sure not many, but stundents wanted to change the whermacht and let them fight against hitler. dont forget that not all gernerals were nazis they just liked to see their success they had in the war. and someone said that the red army raped german women, yeah that right but german ss soilders putted families and other russians in a house and burned it down.

may be this now was told before but i dont have the time to read through all posts

after ww1 germany was poor , the industry sucked and many ppl were poor ,too
the goverment in that time the spd could not change this. and so in time ppl meant that they need a leader, one leader wo make fast decisions and everything would get better. hitler said things during his voting fights or whatever who are not possible. he dont said that he would begin a war. also u know the book my fight mein kampf from hitler. in that , he worte it before 1933 in a prison , he wrote down everything he would do if hes at the might. but not many ppl read those book, also not many germans cuz it was boring.also foreign presidents read this book but laughed and said that it would not possible that hitler want to kill all jews. yeah it was im possible to blieve sth like this.....
so after 1933 when hitler had what he wanted(goverment) he let destroy jews stores by the SA so they had to build up everything they had. many jews thought that this was just for one time and they wanted to stay in germany, cuz it was their home country and dont wanted to leave everything behind
later hitler sq that "normal" ppl still bought their things in jews stores and then he maked signs in front of jews stores so ppl should not buy their, little later again he placed SA men in front of the stores and ppl began to be afraid to buy there.......yeah i could tell much more , bad english i know http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ; BUT ppl like Freakaloin know nothing about our past, at least not much

edit: before ww1 mostly every european country had colonies. the countrys then began a huge armamanet of guns and things(not the excatly word)for some reasons ,i dont remember and began a war, well in the end britain , france , may be spain and i think the usa fought germany down

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Yes my point was many German soldiers were not Nazis. Point made.

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