You know you could just use a firewall, so the the wont try to connect to the ea mofos

Thats virtually impossible. For those who have dail-up most ISP's change their IP's everyweek, and if they have an external modem they can shut it off or just unplug the phone line.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luftwaffe JG52:
I could play MP cause i have cable and dont sighn on to MSN.
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What do you have against MSN?
Best pings with 56k In my opinion.

msn messenger he means

microsofts favorite spyware

i don't believe it....playing the SP version would be easy, since most still don't have broadband or are connected all the time to the internet. even if you are, just turn off your modem...duh..

I'm so sure thats what they do. Contact their ISP, bullshit, like I am sure the ISP is gonna be totally excepting these notaions and such, BS!

lol they just need to unplug the cabel modem and then play.. not that simple

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Most games and programs that use a cd-key report back to a main server, it's nothing new. It's just that they are too lazy to check peoples ip's. But maybe they will start to check them more carefully in the future...

I was reading a message board (i think isonews)and some guys were saying their firewall caught the program trying to send info to EA. So I think it may be there. I myself will buy the game. Warez games just don't work right and when I like a game this much just from the demo, i have no problems paying for it.

I've got a question. Has anyone packet sniffed the outgoing packets while playing the SP Demo or the ISO release yet? If it sends info back to EA or whatever I'd like to see the data its sending back even if it is not plain text form. If it sends the IP, I assume it sends the IP of the machine in question. But that will send an internal IP for all those playing behind a Cable/DSL router or most internal masquarading routers that is.

I question the validity of this data anyway. They only care about illegal keys...they can just ban a key from playing online. Most people who download the ISO aren't going to shell out any money to buy the game...they will just stop playing it. If they want people to purchase this game to play online then they must use a key based system.....this isn't even worth writing... I'm going to play the MP demo now.

hahahahahahahahahahh......... http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

http://www.geocities.com/mohsigs/

Dracos:

From what I understand, the game will not require a valid cdkey to play multiplayer.
And like I said earlier, I've had this game on pre-order since it went gold (almost a month ago).

I still have the file from tcpdump (I ran it while starting a Single Player game). If you want it, take a look at http://hunda.org:8004/tcpdump/

I'll put the file (lahlah.txt) in there for you.

hahahaha. still no explanation from the believers about dynamic ip issues. How the hell is EA gonna prove it was me playing the game? Besides that, in my country, Netherlands, they havent even got time to persue normal criminals....

Ill buy the game anyways, but dont get all worked up over this, it just aint true.

The cyberpolice is looking for terrorists, child porn users and other sich shit. u really think they are going to after gamers that downloaded a warez version of a game that somehow leaked out, probably due to EA staff? LOL ROFL, LMAO

Jesus Christ: I bet Warze have had More Hits since this post was made, Than when mike tyson steped into the Boxing ring.......

Chances are if u do get this game from Warze
most parts of it will be missing ,ie,Intro wont be there, Music wont be there,And so on ,so just wait for the dam game to come out ,And Bye it


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[This message has been edited by FrAgMaN (edited January 14, 2002).]

Hi all. New to the forum, but have been lurking for a while.
Couple of things.

1) Any ISP (Including Earthlink, AOL, Erol's, Joe Bob's ISP, etc...) (or anyplace for that matter[stores, credit card companies, banks, etc..]) MUST release any and all info IF presented with a warrant. Without a warrant, it is up to the individual service and thier polies wether they release the info freely or not. (Most won't without a warrant).

2) A dynamic IP DOES NOT protect you!!! Most ISP's keep log files of ALL activity. With dynamic IP's the log looks like something like this:

Incoming call on modem TC12
Answer call
Authenticate call via username and password.
Allow access and log phone number (If caller ID is available and setup)
Assign IP Address 206.234.24.56 to modem TC12.
Log date and time
End call (When user disconnects)
Log date and time

Now you COULD argue that it wasn't you calling, but if caller ID is available it would be hard to argue.

Now lets assume caller ID isn't available, but you did call from your house. Could they still track you? YEP! Here's how:
Using the log above as a starting point, they check the username and look up the account holders info. They then call the phone company and get a list of all phone numbers associated with that account holder. They then have the phone company do a search for the dates and times in the log, to see if any of those numbers called the ISP at the same time. If so, then they got you. If not, you get away for now.

The above assumes a few things:
1) They have warrants for everything.
2) They even want to bother with this.

So while they COULD do it, for the most part (at least 95%) they won't bother since the end result (1 arrested user) isn't worth the time/energy spent.
If that user is part of a warez group then sure they might do it, but otherwise no.

And just to reiterate, with a warrant ANY company has to give up the info, otherwise they can be hit with obstruction of justice, interfering with a federal investigation (Which warez falls under, it is technically a federal offense) and more. If an ISP really pissed the Feds of by not cooperating after a warrant is served, they could probably get an injunction to shut them down.

This should be interesting to all of those who dl'd the ISO. I've done some packet sniffing and the game does in fact talk to gamespy/ea servers while strictly playing single player.

Save me all the 'warez is bad' bs. I've had this game on pre-order for over a month, and I think it's really cool that I've had a chance to try it out.

So, should you or I be worried about having a warez copy of this game that sends out packets to ea/gamespy.. not really, this is probably statistical data. Even if it wasn't, they'd have a hard time prosecuting especially seeing as the disclaimer mentioned nothing about the client sending personal information to ea/gamespy.

That's called entrapment. Anywho, here is my
packet anaylsis.


[root@equinoxx tcpdump-3.6.2]# ./tcpdump -r lahlah.txt

17:55:21.736032 24.15.72.126.12201 > master.gamespy.com.27900: udp 45
17:55:21.753796 24.15.72.126.12201 > master.gamespy.com.27900: udp 45
17:55:24.679485 aa4.gamespy.com.eicon-slp > 24.15.72.126.12201: udp 22
17:55:24.681728 24.15.72.126 > aa4.gamespy.com: icmp: 24.15.72.126 udp port 12201 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
17:55:24.769197 aa4.gamespy.com.cadis-2 > 24.15.72.126.12201: udp 22
17:55:24.769295 24.15.72.126 > aa4.gamespy.com: icmp: 24.15.72.126 udp port 12201 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
17:55:47.471444 24.15.72.126.12201 > master.gamespy.com.27900: udp 45
17:55:47.612085 aa4.gamespy.com.ndnp > 24.15.72.126.12201: udp 22
17:55:47.612194 24.15.72.126 > aa4.gamespy.com: icmp: 24.15.72.126 udp port 12201 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
17:55:50.128330 aa4.gamespy.com.fjsv-gssagt > 24.15.72.126.12201: udp 22
17:55:50.128453 24.15.72.126 > aa4.gamespy.com: icmp: 24.15.72.126 udp port 12201 unreachable [tos 0xc0]

Since all the smart things have already been
mentioned, I will limit myself to being cocky
and say this :

I would LOVE to see EA pursue all of
the folks that played the game before
being officially released. Good luck with the
warez / official release user separation, if
any is possible. Heh.

Imagine the ensuing troubles they would have
and laugh out loud my worried friends. Funny
stuff. And all you do-gooders out there, stop
being so retarded and wake up to the world
you live in. The law looks nice in theory but
in practice, nothing ever really gets done.
I know this first hand because of certain
things I've done that should have easily
landed me in a jail cell ...

Last but not least, I will quote a post I've
seen on isonews.com (he says it better than I
could) :

For you who think it really takes them an
entire year to infiltrate a group like DoD?
All it takes is an email saying "I have an
oc-128 backbone connected to this lovely
drop box supporting telnet, ftp, http and
whatever you need installed it has 3.5
terabytes or disk storage on multiple
redundant raid arrays", I think you can join
Razor tomorrow with this hardware and an
excuse such as its belongs to so and so tech
a web hosting company I run.


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[This message has been edited by SoLiDUS (edited January 14, 2002).]

Does anyone think that 1 comperny is going to Press charges angainst 1 person who they think is running an ilegle copy of MOH.I dont think they will.....I think it would cost them a hell of a lot to take u to court in the 1st place....And 2 wat they realy want is the peps that are makeing the copy's.
Not the averege jo blogs who's downloading it.........anyway not over here in the uk anyway

http://www.geocities.com/mohsigs/

You're a fucking idiot.

The only reason you're spouting this nonsense is because your ass is probably so far behind you still have a 56k and are unable to download it.

Do you seriously think people pirate for the mp version, you fucking retard?

You're an idiot, be quiet. If it is an ISO it is a CD rip, directly. That's like saying EA will be notified if you install the game on more then one computer.

STFU and stop being such a brain-dead moron.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrAgMaN:
Does anyone think that 1 comperny is going to Press charges angainst 1 person who they think is running an ilegle copy of MOH.I dont think they will.....I think it would cost them a hell of a lot to take u to court in the 1st place....And 2 wat they realy want is the peps that are makeing the copy's.
Not the averege jo blogs who's downloading it.........anyway not over here in the uk anyway

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A lot of people don't understand that, Frag.
That's why we have retards running around
saying "HAHAHA ! Stupid warez users ! You're
fucked !" and other equally stupid / ignorant
things.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Loyalist:
You're a fucking idiot.

The only reason you're spouting this nonsense is because your ass is probably so far behind you still have a 56k and are unable to download it.

Do you seriously think people pirate for the mp version, you fucking retard?

You're an idiot, be quiet. If it is an ISO it is a CD rip, directly. That's like saying EA will be notified if you install the game on more then one computer.

STFU and stop being such a brain-dead moron.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

no name calling in this forum Loyalist . maybe i'm a little late to this thread so i dont know where the insults started but you're not helping much . so please try and get your point across without it . thank you .

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bytor-UK-:
Oh and i like the eagle siggy...best i have seen yet!

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But take the next time a screaming eagle dork!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pugilist:
If they commit a crime, terroristic threats, credit card theft, stealing software, etc. the ISP HAS TO release the info because a warrant will be issued.
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Your a liar pug.

First of, software related crimes are a federal offence so you personally getting info about COMPUTER crimes from AOL, is bull! So unless your FBI, you can't obtain that kind of info.

Secondly, the FBI is not going to go after individual users. They go after the pirate groups.

Thirdly, EA can't do, and won't do s*** except take statistics.

-EA executive, "Hmmm....looks like we got another 15yr old play a pirated copy of MOHAA. Ok, let's get our corparate lawyer who costs us $200/hr and pay some court costs to fine this kid $1000. And after $10,000 in letigation fees, we'll bag'em!"

Don't think so!

Oh, and lastly. If your STORY is true, I'm writing the GRC after I analyse my packet traffic and we'll see what Steve has to say about it. Remember the Real Networks case? Are you reading EA?

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[This message has been edited by 3/504th-Cpt.Knight (edited January 14, 2002).]

Loyalist. Just because you dont understand what all that means doesn't mean you have to resort to name calling.

I used to grow up around a bunch of ignorant rednecks and they'd do the same thing when they couldn't understand anything.

If you look at that IP address, it's from a cable modem block. If you check hunda.org, it points to that IP address. Chances are, I'm on a cable modem.

I know what an ISO is, I've been dl'in them for about 5 years now, when I first got my cable modem.

I'm not quite sure why I'm replying to your 'flame'., I didn't say or do anything to you did I? Did I make you jealous because I've played through nearly half the game and your still waiting for mom to give you her CC so you can order the game?

If anybody has any serious replies, I'd love to hear them.

Loyalist are u loyalist from WW2Ol beta?

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Most ISPs aren’t as “friendly” as Assholes OnLine (AOL). Especially, local ISPs
who are struggling to make it. Unless it’s advantageous to them e.g. you are the source
of the warez, thus are using a lot of bandwidth, they don’t get F—k .

Furthermore most firewalls block unauthorized programs from accessing the net.

The only way EA can get information from your ISP is if they get a warrant. And I doubt EA will go through all that trouble to nab one guy. They will do that if that guy was the source, but not the guy downloading it.

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[This message has been edited by JOkeR (edited January 14, 2002).]

Hello All,

This is definitly a tough issue any way you look at it. But despite that, here are my .02 on the topic. Without a doubt, most of the people that post in this forum are fans of videogames. And most fans have at some point, stepped back from playing a favorite game and said to themselves 'wow, this is so much fun!'.

Now, the question you have to ask yourself is: How much is that feeling worth to me in dollars? I know it is easy to d/l the ISO if you know where to look, but is it worth it?

My personal opinion (for whatever THAT is worth) is that as long as you are fully willing and able to buy the full version, and you are aware of the potential danger of warezing a game, then go ahead and play the ISO until the real game comes out.

My situation is this: I have pre-ordered the game since I played the SP demo. I have also played the full version a bit, and all it did was make me happy that I pre-ordered it.

Game developers and publishers should spend less time trying to scare gamers with information sharing rumors, and more time trying not to let the games leak before launch.

For me, the 44.95 I paid for Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, is well worth the feeling I get from playing it. Just me though.

[This message has been edited by rossonline (edited January 14, 2002).]

Ok Killorlive, first of all your name makes no sense and is idiotic
2. I could care less what some little shit like you thinks of my sig.
3. I am 28 yrs old and could care less if you believe I am a cop.
4. Your comment about Earthlink does not release info PERIOD....is a load of crap. If someone emailed a person threatening to plant a bomb or harm someone, Earthlink wuold be coughing up that persons info REAL fast. You obviously got so defensive because your PC must be a wasteland of illegal software.
5. A trojan is a backdoor into your pc where someone can gain control over your pc. This code simply sends them back your IP address and possibly a little more. EVERYTIME you visit a webpage they can get a log of your address and IP you moronic imbecile.
Get back to school, you need it.

Now let me address "Piedude"..another great name...
1. Your ISP wouldnt give your confidential info away to EA, they would give it to the LE authority that brought the warrant for such info..IDIOT.

2. As I said to the other moron , your IP is logged on visits to almost every internet site. You going to sue them up, down , left right and center?

3. I had 6 months at one of the toughest academies in the country and need no further training. I think you should head back out in the bush and look for another date with a Kangaroo Bloke!

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BTW , thanks for any intelligent replies that were posted. I had a feeling this would turn out to be a hot topic, guess I was right? As far as the punks who come on here spewing profanity and showing their ignorance, I hope you are alot more careful speaking in person to someone, that kind of talk can get you in big trouble if you say it to someone's face.

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Why are everybody so upset, i doubt all of you have dl some mp3s.
That is almost a simmelar crime.

*sigh* listen, i dunno about this..i dont have the warez, im not a cheap fuck...i want 2015 and EA to get there cash for this game, they all deserve it! but i dont think EA can ask AOL or your ISP for info, that is against the law as far as i know, unless they get a court order...and plus why would they waste there time, as long as u did not pirate the software your untouchable i think...i aint no like law guy but thats what i knwo, granted i dont know much, so i could be wrong....

[This message has been edited by Frambosie (edited January 14, 2002).]

Oh my people...

The game does contact the net even in Single Player.
But my firewall detects that it just checks if gamespy is active.

HAHAHA! So funny. Well what do expect. Warez, you get what you pay for IMO!

Sorry, but this is the biggest load of shit I've heard!

Firstly, IF your ISP just gave CONFIDENTIAL info away to some company, they are violating the law and would have people sueing them left, right and center! AND if EA was trying to get info about you from your ISP WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION, then they also would have people sueing them left, right and center!

Pugilist, if you really are a cop (which I seriously doubt!), then you buddy need to go back to the academy and learn how to do your job properly!



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pugilist:
Now let me address "Piedude"..another great name...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

.... and you think pugilist is a great name???

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>1. Your ISP wouldnt give your confidential info away to EA, they would give it to the LE authority that brought the warrant for such info..IDIOT.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So now your admitting they cant just give the info away like you stated before!.... IDIOT!!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>2. As I said to the other moron , your IP is logged on visits to almost every internet site. You going to sue them up, down , left right and center?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who the fuck is talking about IP's? Everyone knows your IP can get logged. look at the bottom right corner of every post here on these forums! You can even D/L software to find out someone's IP! Big fucking deal!!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>3. I had 6 months at one of the toughest academies in the country and need no further training. I think you should head back out in the bush and look for another date with a Kangaroo Bloke!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What was so tough about it? Did they only give you 6 donuts a day instead of the usual 6 packets!?! ALso, I dont bat for the other side, So keep your fantasies to yourself!!



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Close isn't good enough unless you throw a grenade!

OMFG, your such a retard.

Sends your IP to EA my ass. DUMBASS!!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pugilist:
Just for info to anyone who has downloaded the pirate version, EA has an encryption that contacts EA with your IP address when this game is in use. They simply contact your ISP, get your info, and then can file charges. Have fun playing .......<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>