This thread scared the shit outta me.....That's my biggest fear. Life after death.

This reminds me of an episode of red drawf where kryten learns that there is no robot heaven and found out there that there is just a program to make him think there is. It was put there so kryten would think there is a reason for living. That really made me think.

you'll never ever ever ever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever everever ever live again

Ok, on the whole ife after death thing, you wouldn't really know, unless this is all of our first lives.

If I've had previous lives, I don't remember tham, which means in the future, if I ahev lives, I won't know it (today and being me). So if I can't even remember other lives, then what is the point. If every life is seperate, I would never know that I had previous lives, or been reincarnated, so whats the point?

If someone understood that, good for you, cause I don't think I did.

Anyway, I don't believe in reincarnation or second lives or any of that stuff.

One way it could work: a veil is put over your memory of previous physical
incarnations and you re-live certain experiences until you learn something
valuable from them; your spiritual and intellectual growth increases.

Like school, you re-take the subject matter / test you've failed until you get
it right. It IS possible that every incarnation has something specific that you
must learn in order to move on; until you become a "master", so to speak.

Just a thought...

So, everytime the Population Limit increases, a new person is tossed into the Reincarnation Loop?

I have been thinking about this, but how quickly would the transition between "beings" be? this is highly unlikely. as far as I can tell, the universe was created on science, but how do such complex things in the minds occur?

But that sort of theory requires something more powerful like a God looking over you, does it not?

I would find it hard to believe that that happed through the evolution of life and such. "Someone" would want you to get to the end and learn you mistakes and improve upon yourself to reach ones ultimate self-satisfication. I put someone in quotes because I don't know if you could call a God a someone, or even something that exists.

Anyway, that theory is kind of neat to think about. I had never really thought of anything like that before.

I just feel sorry for the people that never had time to think about it, or any other end of life theory, and died at such a young age, with little or no faith in what they believed.

I say, you'll find out when you Die.

Don't be so vain: it's very unlikely that Earth is the only planet with so-called
intelligent Life on it. It's also possible (assuming reincarnation occurs) that
one experience is learned on this planet while another will be better understood
on planet XY23K ;-)

[quote="old reliable":7a21f]I have been thinking about this, but how quickly would the transition between "beings" be? this is highly unlikely. as far as I can tell, the universe was created on science, but how do such complex things in the minds occur?[/quote:7a21f]

Can you re-phrase your last question for me ? I want to make sure I answer
it properly...

As for the first part, take a wild guess: I'm making it up as I go too biggrin:

nevermind that question, it is more like a study

[quote="Old Reliable":b542d]nevermind that question, it is more like a study[/quote:b542d]

Were you asking why our minds work the way they do ? ... or perhaps how
our brain works with the soul to produce consciousness as we know it ? Pure
speculation on both sides, I'm afraid. I don't have an answer for you Old...

well I just find it strange that the universe is created by H atoms and then later on the last 91, and now we are able to think all these things. quite an amazing advancement, and it can only get better. even though the universe continues to expand and will eventually get colder and die. who the hell knows what happened before the big bang?

lol, I just read this from someone's away message

When I die, I want to die like my great-grandfather, who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming, like all the passengers in his car.

ROFL!!! Nice...

[quote="Old Reliable":0d1d0]lol, I just read this from someone's away message

When I die, I want to die like my great-grandfather, who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming, like all the passengers in his car.[/quote:0d1d0]

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!

hey, thanks for all the feedback guys biggrin:

i guess thinking what i was thinking of happens to everyone, they just dont say it...i gave it some serious thought and i feel much better...it just puzzles me how we even have thought oOo: ...or why we even exsist...to reproduce....but its kind of pointless if there is no reason to reproduce...i doubt we were put on this earth to evolve...and reproduce to make microwaves and rap music....or were we cool:

its just one of lifes greatest questions and shall never be answered...

if anyone can tell me the meaning of life...they get 10 points...i know what the meaning of life is....do you? wink:

meaning of life is to fill an important niche in the nitrogen, carbon and water cycle

In my opinion, the meaning of life = make more life.

This is a mystery/burden that must remain, to be pondered by each individual
and each generation....to know any specific "answer" would be to read only the final
pages of a book, feel only the break-up of a relationship...?

and maybe the even more important reason for this "meaning" to remain
hidden is that in the unkown, there is always one vital ingredient....hope.

The meaning of life is probably one of the easiest auestions ever to anwser. The purpose of life is to accept God, worship Him, and lead others to Him, not asking much from One who died for us, do not worry about giving me those bonus points. :) There is no reason to fear death, just accept Jesus! There is much evidence of a higher beign, just look at the world around you, you think it was created all on its own?

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":16d23]The meaning of life is probably one of the easiest auestions ever to anwser. The purpose of life is to accept God, worship Him, and lead others to Him, not asking much from One who died for us, do not worry about giving me those bonus points. :) There is no reason to fear death, just accept Jesus! There is much evidence of a higher beign, just look at the world around you, you think it was created all on its own?[/quote:16d23]

This is going to spark a discussion..I can just feel it.

no one got it yet wink:

i know what it is..

I asked Gaurnere on MSN biggrin:

Live, thrive, make baby(s), die.

Anything else is just a bonus

Yea I understand what your saying and it frustrates me to no end. Religion to me is something that humans thought of to try to explain why we are here and how we got here. This is a question we can only answer after we are gone, and by then its too late. Religion is a way of understanding something that cant be understood. Like saying we all evolved from a single cell, it is just another theory. I wish I knew anything at all.

[quote:c5070]no one got it yet [/quote:c5070]

Or did you not get the awnser you wanted, becuase I do believe I got it. :)

nope, no one got it, you're all just beating around the bush basically.. wink:

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":611ee]When a person dies, they go one or two places,Heaven or Hell. There is a way though to be svaed from spending eternity in hell, and that is by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. If you choose not to accept Him, you will die and go to hell, but by asking Jesus into your heart you will be saved and spend eternity in Heaven, why fear death when you know you will be in a better place? You can be saved by COnfessing with your mouth Jesus is Lord and Beliving your heart God rose Him from the dead.

[url="http://jesusgift.com/"]http://jesusgift.com/[/url][/quote:611ee]
few typos, but it is true, thats what i believe

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":a9127]The meaning of life is probably one of the easiest auestions ever to anwser. The purpose of life is to accept God, worship Him, and lead others to Him, not asking much from One who died for us, do not worry about giving me those bonus points. :) There is no reason to fear death, just accept Jesus! There is much evidence of a higher beign, just look at the world around you, you think it was created all on its own?[/quote:a9127]

Unfortunately, that is your contention, and only a contingent truth.
Furthermore, I ask you to present this so-called evidence of a deity
or creational entity: I'm not honestly asking, because I know for a
fact that you cannot provide any factual / tangible evidence but just
humor me for a moment, if you can.

i don't think i could put it any better than you just did. god damn bible thumpers...hey that's kinda funny evil:

OK, the bible says God is loving and forgiving. Therefore God must have created us because he loved us and care about us.....then he suddenly leaves us to fend for ourselves! (look at the state of the world around you) Then theres the concept of all those who does not believe about him or know him must suddenly go to hell to suffer eternal pain and damnation. Now what kind of caring and loving father would do that to his children and send them to eternal pain. Its simply ludricious. The whole concept of heaven and hell therefore to me is fake, you know how the church in the past has so clearly altered the bible mixing it with other pagan philosophies in order to fit their selfish needsn. This whole heaven and hell thing was in my opinion put in order to control the kings and queens from breaking away from the church.
I'm sure there something far more unique than "beleive in God and you will goto Heaven, dont beleive in God and you will burn in hell". Its jsut that the bible has been altered too much by man to gain power....as usual.

alrighty then

[quote:73412]few typos[/quote:73412]

Yea, I can not type to good, probably should start using home row. :)

[quote:73412]Unfortunately, that is your contention, and only a contingent truth.
Furthermore, I ask you to present this so-called evidence of a deity
or creational entity: I'm not honestly asking, because I know for a
fact that you cannot provide any factual / tangible evidence but just
humor me for a moment, if you can. [/quote:73412]

YOu want ecidence of God's exsistance? Well just look ate the world, its tangible. How could everything get so complex with out s supreme beign creating it? How could have all the particles that where part of the "Big Bang", if that really happend, been formed all on their own? Also read the Bible, just give it a good read, look at all the prophecies Jesus met, no man has done something likke that. Another thing is, look at a person who is truly save by Jesus, look how much happier they are, and how content they are, and how their life changes. Ask God to help you see Him, He will be more than happy to do it.

[quote:73412]OK, the bible says God is loving and forgiving. Therefore God must have created us because he loved us and care about us.....then he suddenly leaves us to fend for ourselves! (look at the state of the world around you) Then theres the concept of all those who does not believe about him or know him must suddenly go to hell to suffer eternal pain and damnation. Now what kind of caring and loving father would do that to his children and send them to eternal pain. Its simply ludricious. The whole concept of heaven and hell therefore to me is fake, you know how the church in the past has so clearly altered the bible mixing it with other pagan philosophies in order to fit their selfish needsn. This whole heaven and hell thing was in my opinion put in order to control the kings and queens from breaking away from the church.
I'm sure there something far more unique than "beleive in God and you will goto Heaven, dont beleive in God and you will burn in hell". Its jsut that the bible has been altered too much by man to gain power....as usual. [/quote:73412]

Well, God does love us, and has not left us here to fend for ourselves. As for thoe who do not believe, then yes they do go to Hell, but you cannot say God does not love us, becuase He gives you an easy way to Heaven, just accept His son, Jesus. The Chruch has not always represented the true face of Christ, and thsi is really sad becuase of all the people they hurt. Now you might say, well some people never hear the message, well for tose people, I believe if they live justly they to will see Heaven. So like it or not there is a Heaven and there is a Hell, its up to you which one you choose to go to.

Your really start to scare me Duke of ray. You keep saying god loves you and stuff like that and its start to wierd me out I guess. Where's god now? Off doing good deeds in the middle east? Oh yes thats right. Stop believing the priests and open your eyes. It's pretty clear to me you use your religion as a scapegoat. Where's god everytime people get killed? If god was around we would live in a utopia and everyone would have the same god. Stop being such a tool. Take your teachings elsewhere, because unlike the missionarys no one wants to hear "God is the way, not let your son become an Alter boy, and many good things will happen to him". Now STFU about "the good lord" thats loves to help. Now about he stops helping..... oh wait he doesnt help anyone because he doesn't exist.

shut up with your God Crap, Stop trying to get people to beleive in your religion. Some guy who did to much drugs probably said he was the son of god, and made of all this bullshit.

[quote:d0069]
YOu want ecidence of God's exsistance? Well just look ate the world, its tangible. How could everything get so complex with out s supreme beign creating it? How could have all the particles that where part of the "Big Bang", if that really happend, been formed all on their own? Also read the Bible, just give it a good read, look at all the prophecies Jesus met, no man has done something likke that. Another thing is, look at a person who is truly save by Jesus, look how much happier they are, and how content they are, and how their life changes. Ask God to help you see Him, He will be more than happy to do it. [/quote:d0069]

The Bible is just a book, I could write a book saying I was Jesus II, And I am going to use my Plasma-ray on all of you. Now, Some of the stuff in the bible could be true, but it's just Exaggerated, alot. Like moses, it could have been a Tide, and then they crossed, it. then the Egyptians came, but the tide was going back, and by the time they were near the end of the River, the tide came back, and they couldn't cross and drowned.

[quote="Duke_of_ray":d787f]YOu want ecidence of God's exsistance? Well just look ate the world, its tangible. How could everything get so complex with out s supreme beign creating it? How could have all the particles that where part of the "Big Bang", if that really happend, been formed all on their own? Also read the Bible, just give it a good read, look at all the prophecies Jesus met, no man has done something likke that. Another thing is, look at a person who is truly save by Jesus, look how much happier they are, and how content they are, and how their life changes. Ask God to help you see Him, He will be more than happy to do it. [/quote:d787f]


Complexity of the world does not support the existence of a creational
entity: in fact, the Universe could just as well come from nothing at all.
You must agree with the following statement: if God can come from the
void, so can the Universe.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, I agree, but if a creator
did conceive and materialize this world, Heaven and Hell were not included
in the phase following physical life, as freedom of choice would NOT have
a place in your Universe. I throw the ball in your court and invite you to read
the following book: THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE. It makes much more sense
than the bible ever could. Do you honestly believe that an intelligent deity
would only give his children one life to prove themselves worthy of his land?

Lastly, if there really was evidence of a supraphysical force, philosophers
and men of the mind would have known about it and we would all have to
hear about it in school... but that would limit our freedom of choice, hence
why I believe we will never know whether a deity is behind the creation of
this Universe or not: this is the only argument in support of your position.

lol, why does anyone even try to argue with Solidus

Because it's an honor to go up against the Master biggrin:

just let someone think what they want

[quote:37e9d]Complexity of the world does not support the existence of a creational
entity: in fact, the Universe could just as well come from nothing at all.
You must agree with the following statement: if God can come from the
void, so can the Universe.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, I agree, but if a creator
did conceive and materialize this world, Heaven and Hell were not included
in the phase following physical life, as freedom of choice would NOT have
a place in your Universe. I throw the ball in your court and invite you to read
the following book: THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE. It makes much more sense
than the bible ever could. Do you honestly believe that an intelligent deity
would only give his children one life to prove themselves worthy of his land?

Lastly, if there really was evidence of a supraphysical force, philosophers
and men of the mind would have known about it and we would all have to
hear about it in school... but that would limit our freedom of choice, hence
why I believe we will never know whether a deity is behind the creation of
this Universe or not: this is the only argument in support of your position. [/quote:37e9d]

God did not come from nothing, He has always been here, yes it is kind of hard for humans to comprehend, I will admit. :) You may not like the fact, but God did create Heaven and Hell, and you have a chioe of which one to go to. Also, God does give us only one life tp "prove" oursleves, and we do not even prove ourslves, becuase nobody is good enough to be with God, but becuase He loved us so much, He gaves us a way to be with Him ,and thats Jesus Christ. You can not prove yourself to God, but just accept Him. It is so easy, its not even about works, but just accepting Him! You will never be able to work your way to God, so there is no use trying, its a waste of time, why not just accept God, and live with the peace that you know where you will go when you die? As for the man of the mind, and philosophers go, just becuase they study alot, does not mean they know alot. A man of 1st grade eductaion who accepts Christ is millions of times wiser and smarter than one a man of great learning who rejects Him. If you truly accept Christ,you will know there is a God.