I regards to the WMD error - it has been admitted and moved on. There is no "oh we're still looking for WMD's". Bush has said the removal is justified even if there are no WMD's. It's like everything is taken to this LITERAL extreme and if anything deviates then that's Bush's ass.

I dont think so Low. Our generation - much more mellow. We dont have the same level of assholes that yours produced no offence. We will still have a hill to climb and its kinda scary thinking we'll be the ones in charge someday, but I think we're readily able to admit our mistakes than past generations.

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I dont think so Low. Our generation - much more mellow. We dont have the same level of assholes that yours produced no offence. We will still have a hill to climb and its kinda scary thinking we'll be the ones in charge someday, but I think we're readily able to admit our mistakes than past generations.[/quote:12f08]

Funny, when I was younger I might of said the samething like that to some one in my father's generation.
Admitting mistakes is one thing fixing them is another, and we are creating plenty of mistake to be fixed.

No offence can be taken, I look at the people we allow to run the world today and feel gulity, because the damage they are doing is going to effect your generation more than it will effect mine.

we as mankind are doomed. and i believe it. its just a matter of time before some freak ass aliens blow earth to shit.

my predictions according to my 99 cent tarot cards from k-mart:

technology will gradually increase.

space travel will become a reality

california will become the smog pit of the world.

then some idiot is going to get his hands on a nuke and blow another country to shit.

life in other galaxies/planets will be found.



then again, i wont care what happens because ill be dead.

time. its all a matter of time.

[quote="ED!":e4d1d]It AINT primarily about oil. That is an added benefit of removing a despot. Or do you REALLY believe the people are better of with Saddam in power?[/quote:e4d1d]

damn physics test, lol

Actually I think Iraqis will be better off now (or will be when we rebuild), at least I am hoping for the best and that no more people (our or theirs) get killed.

I guess you do have a heart, I retract the mindless warmonger statement.
I was referring to the kind that will follow President Bush anywhere just because he's a Republican (yes I have seen a few people like this) They're the ones who don't really care about the humanitarian issue but believe the WMD line 100%.

As far as how the war went, I would really have preferred if Bush did use the human rights violations, not WMDs to present his case to the UN. Russia and Germany would most likely be more willing (since they were basically looking at the WMD argument going "he's full of shit") and we could shut France up by digging up info on how they sold Saddam a nuclear reactor (the same one Israel destroyed).
the benefits would be we would have more troops for peacekeeping, a better plan for restoring Iraq, and we (US taxpayers) don't have to pay the full sum.
The only bad effect would be Saddam would be in power for a couple more months while the coalition planned.

[quote=Noctis]Hey, don't hate me just because I happen to have an IQ in the top one percentile of the nation. I can't help that I'm smart, I just fucking hate idiots. Smart people don't fuck things up, idiots do. Usually idiots disguised as smart people. Oh, and liberals are all idealistic idiots. Thank you, come again.[/quote:85c11]

Smart people dont fuck things up? Tell that to NASA.

These pictures were sent to me from a fellow who is in the USAF. He and his freinds took them in Iraq after the regime had been destroyed. The first picture itself is so infuriating, how they laugh at a great tragedy such as 9/11 and celebrate it, to justify the war for me 1,000 times over. The second picture is just a little proof that Sadam was at least trying to hide some of the weapons he had. Not to say this is proof of wmd, but if he hid a jet by burying it in the sand, then he obviously was planning something he didn't want us to know about. Either that or he is a total dumbass.


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[quote="Dr. Deleto":d394d]These pictures were sent to me from a fellow who is in the USAF. He and his freinds took them in Iraq after the regime had been destroyed. The first picture itself is so infuriating, how they laugh at a great tragedy such as 9/11 and celebrate it, to justify the war for me 1,000 times over. The second picture is just a little proof that Sadam was at least trying to hide some of the weapons he had. Not to say this is proof of wmd, but if he hid a jet by burying it in the sand, then he obviously was planning something he didn't want us to know about. Either that or he is a total dumbass.


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total dumbass is most likely,
that much sand is sure to fuck up the intake, you'll need at least a day or two to clean it out so it's ready to fight.
Also I saw a different picture AFTER they dug up the jet, the plexiglass of the cockpit looks dingy yellow, which means it's been lying in less than favorable conditions for some time. Plexiglass, espacially 60s and earlier tends to become yellow from exposure. The plane is a Mig-25 which is a 60s plane.
Also if you watch Wing Commander the movie, you'll notice the same yellow glass on the fighter props, it looks like they took the canopies off some old F-8 Crusaders or A-7 Corsairs.
From the looks of that plane after it was dug up, if I was the pilot I would say "shove it" to anyone who suggested that I even take off.

lol very true.

[quote=Noctis]Hey, don't hate me just because I happen to have an IQ in the top one percentile of the nation. I can't help that I'm smart, I just fucking hate idiots. Smart people don't fuck things up, idiots do. Usually idiots disguised as smart people. Oh, and liberals are all idealistic idiots. Thank you, come again.[/quote:950cb]

and conservatives are what?
realistic? give me a break

Sounds a bit idealistic to think that more standardized tests will make students learn better, more like they take away teachers' time to teach.

I can think of hundreds of stupid things conservatives do (of course I can also name hundreds of stupid things liberals do)
Therefore moderate is the way to go cool:

I was wondering when the flames would finally let loose.

First of all, if you're an idiot, just don't post. It's not my fault you can't pull better than a C in dumbfuck Algebra so take your whining elsewhere. I actually couldn't even seem to form a logical procession in your post, Levin, so I'll just write it off as attempted flame. Try again next week.

Why do I consider you a liberal, Stryker? Because you take the classic liberal stances on a majority of issues about which I've seen you post. Liberal.

As for using the conservative argument against me? How about not holding double standards and assume I'm a conservative, dumbass? Anyway, I form my own opinions outside of the party lines (you should try it), though I do have tendencies to agree with the right more often, mainly because they aren't a bunch of PUSSIES who cry when negotiations don't work instead of DOING SOMETHING.

textbook definition of liberal:

" Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded."

"Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry."

Sure I think that describes me perfectly.


I don't see anything about crying when negotiations don't work though.
perhaps you're looking for "leftist" which I am certainly not (they are the affirmative action crowd, people who think one can rehabilitate mass murderers, rabid gun-control freaks, etc.)