[quote="Chango"][ Look it up in a fucking book, its not like I made it up.

By reading my reaction, you should have come to the conclusion that i already knew what it meant. my sarcastic reply was in fact the very meaning of the manifest destiny. "god said it was ok for us to take the land because no one else was using it' was a sarcastic, but fairly accurate statement. it is an ignorant and racist idealogy to think that it is anyones god given right to bring a righteous society to anyone that is deemed 'incapable' or unworthy of self government. the fact that you used this ideology to justify Americas conquest of the southwest is unfair and cruel. To get back on point, driving is a priveledge, but all it does is allow you to drive a car. and you have to pay to drive a car, and you have to pay to learn how to drive a car, and you have to pay for insurance to drive a car, and you have to pay for maintainence to drive a car. its not like immigrants are getting a free ride. if they drive, they pay like everyone else. and most importantly, they pay US, a state with a financial burden and a state who could use the extra money. if you think that its wrong for non citizens to drive, then that is just your opinion, and i can respect that. but when someone uses reasoning like 'You can damn well bet that very few of them would stay currnt with insurance: at best you could hope they carry liability. I bet you would be real happy to get rear ended by a nice non-english speaking, uninsured illegal alien.' you are just assuming that immigrants are a rampant traffic problem. That isnt justification to deny someone the priveledge of driving. This state has a shit load of bad drivers to begin with, you cant categorize them in that way. a car today is like horse was 150 years ago. you really cant do much in this state without one. Im sorry for putting anyone down earlier, but it doesnt seem like many people are looking at this situation from a compassionate viewpoint.

Ok maybe we need to agree to disagree, but I still stand by what I said.
Why should a person who is already breaking the laws of this landby
being illegal be granted a priviledge such as driving? It's just that simple. What about illegals who could be terorists? Should they be given licenses? Giving illegals a legal license basically tells them " Even though we entered and live in this country illegally, it really doesn't mean anything because they are not going to do anything about it and we get a driver's license out of the deal". It just seems to compound our already porous boarder situation that can effect national security.

It seems you knew what you talking about and were just being sarcastic, until you added that flame. And its obvious that you completely missed my sarcasm in my original post, so here i'll help you

rolleyes:

as for the rest of your post

Theres no guarantee that they'll pay for any of that, except gas. They could teach themselves to drive or have someone that knows how to drive teach them. They could opt to not get insurance and just risk it, or they might not be able to get one since they are illegal aliens. And they could do the maintenence themselves or have someone they know do it. So, for the most part, they are getting a free ride.

The law that allowed this was only created to get more votes for Gray Davis, thats all, and it worked, not quite enough to let him win though.