maple leaf, union jack, it's all the same to yanks like us biggrin:

just kidding of course, being a hockey fan I associate Calgary with Canada

GO FLAMES GO!!

[quote="Dr. Deleto":7ba19]tell that to all the Iraqui people he had executed for doing nothing whatsoever. Saddam is a shitheel just like Hitler was. This is what really sets America and Britain apart. People raise thier liberal hands and fuss about everything the government does because they have always lived a life of protectedness. When will you people realize that shit exactly like this is happening all over the world every day. I would bet that you would be singing a different tune if you were an Iraqui man whos father had been executed for some supposed crime.

Maybe...just MAYBE, if people would quit bitching about Iraq and actually back thier country for once, then things would happen a lot differently. The reason why Vietnam went the way it did was because stupid fucking hippies protested the war...for no goddamn reason other than to fit in with a couple of insane, burnt out idealists who would shit on the American flag and all it stands for if it meant someone would buy a $2 ticket to his next rally. Why is it that WW2 vets are thought of as heroes and Vietnam vets are not? Will you people treat the Iraq vets as the heroes they are when its finally over? I will, because they fought and are still fighting for thier country like all the great heroes of the past have.[/quote:7ba19]

take notes ppl, this is a major league post right here rock:

Vietnam wasnt lost to hippies, Vietnam was lost becuase of politics getting in the way of war. Becuase of not being able to go into Cambodia sooner.

Vietnam was lost because we didn't publically execute Ngo Diem and his entire government, these guys were as bad, if not worse, than the commies, which is why the VC got so much support.

I didnt wanna make another thread so i decided to just add on to this 1.

6 more soldiers have been killed today in another helicopter attack. I don't think bush will be our president after next yr's election

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp

Dammit!
I could have arned them of this,
its an old Aztec strategy, suck your enemy into your country, looking like your army disintergrated, and start killing them once they think the war is over
they've got us hook-line-and-sinker now either we kill all loyalists or they kill enough Americans for us to pull out

The U.S has racked up more casualities post "operation Iraqi freedom" than in the "War" itself. I feel that the media should still be broadcasting from Iraq. They haven't found not 1 weapon of mass destruction with what.... almost 8 1/2 months to look for em. annoy: . Bush is out trying to promote his friggin campaign while our soldiers are being killed day by f'n day. When will they be able to return to to their friggin families? Im starting slowly to realize why those protestors throughout the war didn't want want us to go to war...and thats a shame!

impeach bush
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

That is a good point.

But I think the reason why this war generally cared about by the public is becuase it is so publicized and people today know the gruesome effects of war better then was known back then. We now know the price of war which is why we are all so much more concerned.

[quote="Blitz v.666":75b00]OH NO HOLY SHIT WE HAVE HAD 200 CASUALTIES OR SO! WE GOTTA PULL OUT! NO MATTER THAT IN WW2 WE TOOK 500,000 CASUALTIES WITHOUT BATTING AN EYE![/quote:75b00]

plus the casualties in the Korean war in which the U.S. losses were placed at over 54,000 dead and 103,000 wounded, then in 58,000 Americans were killed in vietnam, thats not counting all of the other wars and liberation missions we have been on. As my dad has put it iraq is just another vietnam in the making soon the American people will hate the soilders in iraq just as they hated those sent to vietnam.

Gentlemen ,

As with all of us this is but my viewpoint , and I understand this may not be agreeable to others.....


The current conflict in Iraq is a nessecary one. And there will be more to follow you can be sure. Lybia and Syria are both top contenders for Terorist hideouts. But we must defeat the treat in any way we can. Americans are hated in 75% of the world because we have things and do things that other people cannot.

Weapons of Mass Destruction: saddam had and has hidden at least enough of these to be a serious treat to the rest of the world. How do I know you may ask? Because Reagan gave them to him. In an effort to create an allie in the middle East during the cold war , Reagan saw it fit to arm saddam with WMD. We also outfitted and trained the Taliban in Afganistan to help them revolt from Russia.

These two attacks were justified and are nessecary to world peace.

This is not Vietnam. Vietnam was faught because after WWII The french claimed half of that country. French solgiars promoting Democracy were killed by Communist solgiars from the north. In an attempt to keep Communism out Nixon sent troops. Same story in Korea.

This current fight has nothing to do with with government types. This is a fight to eliminate Terorists in all forms. This is a fight because of Sept.11th.

Some say Bush is on a rampage and is doing what his father did not. I disagree. This is exactly what I would do if I was in charge when someone attacked my country. I would light up there world.
Imagine if Perot or Forbes or worse the idiot that lost to Bush ( I purposly forgot his name) had been in the white house when the attacks came.

For one Im glad we have a president that is willing to put his contry before his re election campain.

And yes I am a US Army Vet.

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":549a4]Gentlemen ,

As with all of us this is but my viewpoint , and I understand this may not be agreeable to others.....


The current conflict in Iraq is a nessecary one. And there will be more to follow you can be sure. Lybia and Syria are both top contenders for Terorist hideouts. But we must defeat the treat in any way we can. Americans are hated in 75% of the world because we have things and do things that other people cannot.

Weapons of Mass Destruction: saddam had and has hidden at least enough of these to be a serious treat to the rest of the world. How do I know you may ask? Because Reagan gave them to him. In an effort to create an allie in the middle East during the cold war , Reagan saw it fit to arm saddam with WMD. We also outfitted and trained the Taliban in Afganistan to help them revolt from Russia.

These two attacks were justified and are nessecary to world peace.

This is not Vietnam. Vietnam was faught because after WWII The french claimed half of that country. French solgiars promoting Democracy were killed by Communist solgiars from the north. In an attempt to keep Communism out Nixon sent troops. Same story in Korea.

This current fight has nothing to do with with government types. This is a fight to eliminate Terorists in all forms. This is a fight because of Sept.11th.

Some say Bush is on a rampage and is doing what his father did not. I disagree. This is exactly what I would do if I was in charge when someone attacked my country. I would light up there world.
Imagine if Perot or Forbes or worse the idiot that lost to Bush ( I purposly forgot his name) had been in the white house when the attacks came.

For one Im glad we have a president that is willing to put his contry before his re election campain.

And yes I am a US Army Vet.[/quote:549a4]



i agree with u 100%. my point was that people are getting a little to worked up over the losses, dont get me wrong i do feel sorry for the familys of those killed in the war but our past wars have been worse.

i think this war should have been fought, its just that the admin is so fucking stupid as hell. how the hell can you blow the chance to rally the entire country and world after 9/11 behind you, on a stupid crusade that was bungled from the get-go. they got our elite troops crashing in afghanistan because they are riding on some shitty ass chopper/plane contraption, osama and a one eyed chooch running through the border to pakistan, and now we cant even find saddam OR any of his doubles. this dipshit is sending our troops all over the world to die so he can fuck shit up and have dick cheneys companies get the contracts to rebuild them. iraq probably doenst have WMD's but who gives a shit, he needed to go, but now we cant leave until we find him. i think next november, we need to send his ass packing back to texas.

Yea , things have been somewhat botched.

I dont think thats all Admins fault. As someone before me put it , this is a new world. New Technoligies and New warfare tactics.

There is no Army to meet on the battlefield.

As far as the rest of the world is concerned , I will never visit France again. Of all the people to go against us , they should have been the last. I will not forgive France for their actions.

As far as Bushs Re Election , I dont think he is concerned with that. I think he just wants to get a little payback while hes there.

The fight against terorism will end right after the fight against drugs......lol.
But its gonna take the right kind of people in office to keep the fight alive.

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":c39d3]Gentlemen ,

As with all of us this is but my viewpoint , and I understand this may not be agreeable to others.....


The current conflict in Iraq is a nessecary one. And there will be more to follow you can be sure. Lybia and Syria are both top contenders for Terorist hideouts. But we must defeat the treat in any way we can. Americans are hated in 75% of the world because we have things and do things that other people cannot.

Weapons of Mass Destruction: saddam had and has hidden at least enough of these to be a serious treat to the rest of the world. How do I know you may ask? Because Reagan gave them to him. In an effort to create an allie in the middle East during the cold war , Reagan saw it fit to arm saddam with WMD. We also outfitted and trained the Taliban in Afganistan to help them revolt from Russia.

These two attacks were justified and are nessecary to world peace.

This is not Vietnam. Vietnam was faught because after WWII The french claimed half of that country. French solgiars promoting Democracy were killed by Communist solgiars from the north. In an attempt to keep Communism out Nixon sent troops. Same story in Korea.

This current fight has nothing to do with with government types. This is a fight to eliminate Terorists in all forms. This is a fight because of Sept.11th.

Some say Bush is on a rampage and is doing what his father did not. I disagree. This is exactly what I would do if I was in charge when someone attacked my country. I would light up there world.
Imagine if Perot or Forbes or worse the idiot that lost to Bush ( I purposly forgot his name) had been in the white house when the attacks came.

For one Im glad we have a president that is willing to put his contry before his re election campain.

And yes I am a US Army Vet.[/quote:c39d3]

judging from your version of 'Nam, you don't know what the fuck your blabbering about.
There was a post-WWII revolution and teh Vietnamese kicked the French COLONIAL OCCUPIERS out. Vietnam was divided into two zones to be rebuilt and there was supposed to be a subsequent election, but like in Korea the North attacked and there was no election. Eisenhower was the first to send advisors to Nam, Kennedy sent more advisors and military equipment. Johnson got us involved in the war with actual combat troops. Nixon PULLED THE US OUT OF NAM, finally ending our involvement in the war.

Ah ,

Wrong President to be sure. My appologies. Perhaps you are saying that Americans were not sent to Vietnam to stop a Communist invasion or to promote Democracy in the Asain world?

That was simply my point. The part that includes "fuck your blabbering about" is not nessecary.I am an adult and am capible of comprehending larger words.Im quite sure the 12 year olds that frequent these posts can find enough profanity and poor dispositions without your adding to it.