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Pyro 01-12-2004 09:44 AM

If the objective of war was killing people. Then techically I can murder someone and say I was at war with them...

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 01-12-2004 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Vance
To have teaparties and fundraisers.

Too right old boy beer:

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 01-12-2004 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vance
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Originally Posted by ninty9
In the first gulf war, the main objective was to get Iraq out of Kuwait.

In World War II, it would have been the liberation of Europe, Asia and other continents of the Axis powers and to make freedom reign supreme.

I don't know of any conflicts where the objective was to kill others. Even a thousand years ago, war was waged over lands, treasures and power. The objective was to gain these things.

The current Iraq conflict was waged for regime change. Although this isn't as clear cut as previous conflicts. The same goes for Afghanistan.

And you suppose all of this can be accomplished by NOT killing the enemy?

Hitler took over half of europe without firing a shot.

Old Reliable 01-12-2004 10:06 AM

if you decide to call the sudetenland half of europe rolleyes:

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 01-12-2004 10:11 AM

Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia and Austria, little or no resistance.

01-12-2004 02:50 PM

[quote="Cpl. Eames":fafbb]
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Originally Posted by Quze
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Originally Posted by Vance
Because those soldiers were executed in the head at close range. I would not say it was awesome if the same thing happened to Iraqis

What about the soldiers killed by the truck? And, as they probably were excuted but, is there any proof of that?

Just get this in your head. In war...the object is to kill the enemy. This is why we aren't sad when we kill iraqis, because these iraqis could very well be trying to kill americans if they arent killed. We are sad when iraqi soldiers and al queda fighters who are doing their duty kill americans because WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE DONT LIKE SEEING OUR GUYS GET KILLED!!! In ww2 no one cried when we wasted nazis and in korea no one cried when we wasted gooks...ever since vietnamn people some how have gotten the impression that we're suposed to win wars by not killing the enemy and his population, its just not going to happen.[/quote:fafbb]

I know. thats not what I was talking about. I was talking about how people thought it was "awesome" and wanted to see more videos that brought you closer to the conflict.

Eight Ace 01-12-2004 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyro
If the objective of war was killing people. Then techically I can murder someone and say I was at war with them...

No, that would prolly be a gang related killing and you would do jail time, but you would be Kingpin in
teh slammer so you'd get extra treats and be able to shower-fuck whomever you so desired...aight cool:

Arkan 01-12-2004 03:12 PM

I said it before and i'll say it again....simply awsome. I wish i was the one flying the apache and shooting those cannons. War is war fellas....don't like it, stop watching the news.

imported_colt_45 01-12-2004 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkan
I said it before and i'll say it again....simply awsome. I wish i was the one flying the apache and shooting those cannons. War is war fellas....don't like it, stop watching the news.

dude its just hard for some people to accept that people die during war and that chaps their ass. i must agree though it is kinda pitiful to see those poor bastards get shot up, but those weapons they had were probably for coalition forces and that would have blown if they used those weapons

gtboys34 01-12-2004 04:06 PM

saw it on the abc nightly news on friday when they first premiered the video. The reporter said to "remove the kids from the room because you're about to see someone dieee" ( or something along those lines) and i couldn't help but wonder how many parents out there just let their kids stay in the room and watch that

I have a question about the last iraqi soldier that was killed in the video though, was he wounded and lying on the ground or was he inside the truck?

JBird 01-12-2004 04:07 PM

[quote="colt_45":7beaa]
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Originally Posted by Arkan
I said it before and i'll say it again....simply awsome. I wish i was the one flying the apache and shooting those cannons. War is war fellas....don't like it, stop watching the news.

dude its just hard for some people to accept that people die during war and that chaps their ass. i must agree though it is kinda pitiful to see those poor bastards get shot up, but those weapons they had were probably for coalition forces and that would have blown if they used those weapons[/quote:7beaa]

exactly. just think if they hadnt taken those 3 guys out...then hearing that another convoy was attacked the next day with rpg's killing 3 coalition soldiers. the copter crew just saved allied lives.

Old Reliable 01-12-2004 04:09 PM

obviously those guys were trouble, otherwise they would have shown signs of surrender

imported_colt_45 01-12-2004 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gtboys34
saw it on the abc nightly news on friday when they first premiered the video. The reporter said to "remove the kids from the room because you're about to see someone dieee" ( or something along those lines) and i couldn't help but wonder how many parents out there just let their kids stay in the room and watch that

I have a question about the last iraqi soldier that was killed in the video though, was he wounded and lying on the ground or was he inside the truck?

he was wounded and crawling in front of the smaller truck when they finished him off

gtboys34 01-12-2004 04:12 PM

[quote="colt_45":77bfd]
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Originally Posted by gtboys34
saw it on the abc nightly news on friday when they first premiered the video. The reporter said to "remove the kids from the room because you're about to see someone dieee" ( or something along those lines) and i couldn't help but wonder how many parents out there just let their kids stay in the room and watch that

I have a question about the last iraqi soldier that was killed in the video though, was he wounded and lying on the ground or was he inside the truck?

he was wounded and crawling in front of the smaller truck when they finished him off[/quote:77bfd] yea, that was the messed up part right thur. Reminded me of an action movie when i saw that comegetsome:

JBird 01-12-2004 04:13 PM

[quote=gtboys34]
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Originally Posted by "colt_45":8159d
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Originally Posted by gtboys34
saw it on the abc nightly news on friday when they first premiered the video. The reporter said to "remove the kids from the room because you're about to see someone dieee" ( or something along those lines) and i couldn't help but wonder how many parents out there just let their kids stay in the room and watch that

I have a question about the last iraqi soldier that was killed in the video though, was he wounded and lying on the ground or was he inside the truck?

he was wounded and crawling in front of the smaller truck when they finished him off

yea, that was the messed up part right thur. Reminded of an action movie when i saw that[/quote:8159d]

why is that messed up? you see movement you fire...got to finish the target off

imported_colt_45 01-12-2004 04:22 PM

if he is only wounded and you leave him and he lives he will come back and fight harder than ever to get his vengeance. and saying he wouldnt have lived frome his enjouries then he would have layed there for hours or even days before dieng and thats worse than just killing him.

gtboys34 01-12-2004 04:27 PM

[quote=JBird]
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Originally Posted by "colt_45":3948f
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Originally Posted by gtboys34
saw it on the abc nightly news on friday when they first premiered the video. The reporter said to "remove the kids from the room because you're about to see someone dieee" ( or something along those lines) and i couldn't help but wonder how many parents out there just let their kids stay in the room and watch that

I have a question about the last iraqi soldier that was killed in the video though, was he wounded and lying on the ground or was he inside the truck?

he was wounded and crawling in front of the smaller truck when they finished him off

yea, that was the messed up part right thur. Reminded of an action movie when i saw that

[quote:3948f]why is that messed up? you see movement you fire...got to finish the target off[/quote:3948f]

the way they did it was messed up. Couldn't they have landed that apache after they had already taken care of the hostiles in the area?


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Old Reliable 01-12-2004 04:28 PM

you can't exactly land an apache in a hotzone without troops

Chronic Diarrhea 01-12-2004 04:41 PM

People have gotten way too damn technical about the rules of engagement and procedures of war battle.

There's the enemy, kill them. That's all you need to know.

While the primary goal of war can involve subjects previously aformentioned (land, money, liberation), the procedure to obtain that goal is usually to kill the other side, unless they surrender or do not give any initial resistance.

I think I'll go with Arkan on this one. Imagine how powerful one must feel while being in command of such supreme weaponry.

01-12-2004 06:41 PM

question: are you children who are saying "cool video lets see more" just morons or deranged?

Heres a newsflash, soldiers don't enjoy killing, they do it because its their job.
The reason soldier seem so callous about killing is because that's the only way you stay sane in war, not because they like taking another man's life.

Arkan 01-12-2004 06:50 PM

[quote="Sgt Stryker":967b8]question: are you children who are saying "cool video lets see more" just morons or deranged?

Heres a newsflash, soldiers don't enjoy killing, they do it because its their job.
The reason soldier seem so callous about killing is because that's the only way you stay sane in war, not because they like taking another man's life.[/quote:967b8]

And who the fuck are you? Don't tell me how others feel you numbskull. I'll stomp someone out just for shits and giggles and i'm not a "child".
I'll say it one more time to piss you off.....great video, i want more !!

01-12-2004 06:55 PM

[quote=Arkan]
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Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":3edcd
question: are you children who are saying "cool video lets see more" just morons or deranged?

Heres a newsflash, soldiers don't enjoy killing, they do it because its their job.
The reason soldier seem so callous about killing is because that's the only way you stay sane in war, not because they like taking another man's life.

And who the fuck are you? Don't tell me how others feel you numbskull. I'll stomp someone out just for shits and giggles and i'm not a "child".
I'll say it one more time to piss you off.....great video, i want more !![/quote:3edcd]

I can come to your house with my .45 and give you more, if you enjoy watching death, you can experience it

1080jibber 01-12-2004 07:09 PM

[quote=Arkan]
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Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":e4c47
question: are you children who are saying "cool video lets see more" just morons or deranged?

Heres a newsflash, soldiers don't enjoy killing, they do it because its their job.
The reason soldier seem so callous about killing is because that's the only way you stay sane in war, not because they like taking another man's life.

And who the fuck are you? Don't tell me how others feel you numbskull. I'll stomp someone out just for shits and giggles and i'm not a "child".
I'll say it one more time to piss you off.....great video, i want more !![/quote:e4c47]

Im with Arkan, Great fuckin video. and im not a child too
and i would like to see more army video's if anyone has any more (the plane and heli stuff like that video posted)

Eames 01-12-2004 07:10 PM

[quote="Sgt Stryker":3b3c6][quote=Arkan]
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Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":3b3c6
question: are you children who are saying "cool video lets see more" just morons or deranged?

Heres a newsflash, soldiers don't enjoy killing, they do it because its their job.
The reason soldier seem so callous about killing is because that's the only way you stay sane in war, not because they like taking another man's life.

And who the fuck are you? Don't tell me how others feel you numbskull. I'll stomp someone out just for shits and giggles and i'm not a "child".
I'll say it one more time to piss you off.....great video, i want more !![/quote:3b3c6]

I can come to your house with my .45 and give you more, if you enjoy watching death, you can experience it[/quote:3b3c6]

threats on the internet? hake:

why not be a man and stick with your fist?

01-12-2004 07:14 PM

[quote="Cpl. Eames":e14e2][quote="Sgt Stryker":e14e2][quote=Arkan]
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Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":e14e2
question: are you children who are saying "cool video lets see more" just morons or deranged?

Heres a newsflash, soldiers don't enjoy killing, they do it because its their job.
The reason soldier seem so callous about killing is because that's the only way you stay sane in war, not because they like taking another man's life.

And who the fuck are you? Don't tell me how others feel you numbskull. I'll stomp someone out just for shits and giggles and i'm not a "child".
I'll say it one more time to piss you off.....great video, i want more !![/quote:e14e2]

I can come to your house with my .45 and give you more, if you enjoy watching death, you can experience it[/quote:e14e2]

threats on the internet? hake:

why not be a man and stick with your fist?[/quote:e14e2]

he enjoys watching people die, so I said let him experience it,
takes too long to beat someone to death,
I could beat him up and shot him like the wounded guy

PS. and no I wouldn't enjoy killing anyone, even if they do deserve it or act like assholes

Arkan 01-12-2004 10:19 PM

[quote="Sgt Stryker":26f91] I can come to your house with my .45 and give you more, if you enjoy watching death, you can experience it[/quote:26f91]

You're definately an internet fag. Go ahead, make worthless threats from behind the safety of your keyboard. I'd be ashamed to make threats like that on a public forum. Now the world knows what kind of pussy you really are. Go kill yourself before someone catches up to you and does it themselves.

01-12-2004 10:27 PM

[quote=Arkan]
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Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":835d9
I can come to your house with my .45 and give you more, if you enjoy watching death, you can experience it

You're definately an internet fag. Go ahead, make worthless threats from behind the safety of your keyboard. I'd be ashamed to make threats like that on a public forum. Now the world knows what kind of pussy you really are. Go kill yourself before someone catches up to you and does it themselves.[/quote:835d9]

So you'd be ashamed to threaten idiots, but not ashamed to be the idiot?
I think someone will kill you before me, I don't act like an ass until someone provokes me, you act like an ass for no reason.

Freud would say your lack of concern for the lives of others comes from the feelings of insignificance about your own life.

01-12-2004 10:31 PM

To all those that still don't get it, killing people is not cool or fun, it is a sad necessity of war. Either we kill them or they kill us, simple as that, nothing fun about it.


The last time I thought there was anything funny about war was when I was 13 years old, then some war veteran who came to our school chewed me out (and quite rightly so). You kids really need to watch what you say before you sound like 13-year-olds.

Old Reliable 01-12-2004 10:37 PM

[quote="Sgt Stryker":1874d]To all those that still don't get it, killing people is not cool or fun, it is a sad necessity of war. Either we kill them or they kill us, simple as that, nothing fun about it.


The last time I thought there was anything funny about war was when I was 13 years old, then some war veteran who came to our school chewed me out (and quite rightly so). You kids really need to watch what you say before you sound like 13-year-olds.[/quote:1874d]

there are a select few who enjoy killing others. for the most part, it's hated. you don't know until you've done it....

Arkan 01-12-2004 10:39 PM

Yeah, i'd be ashamed to threaten anyone on the internet.....how gay is that. Only 12yr olds do shit like that. You feel froggy, PM me the next time you're in NY and perhaps we can meet for a lil' face to face. Maybe catch a Ranger game or something.
As for seeing those fuckers die, no problem here. Ever been to where the twin towers once stood? Did you know anyone who died in the attacks on 9/11? Did you dig through the dust and rubble trying to help anyone?
Don't come here feeling sorry for those fuckin' terrorist bastards....you'll get no sympathy from me. I say kill 'em all and i'll gladly do a few in myself.

Now i think it's time you go away, you're starting to act like a knat on my sweaty nutsac after mowing the lawn during a hot July summers day!

01-12-2004 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkan
Yeah, i'd be ashamed to threaten anyone on the internet.....how gay is that. Only 12yr olds do shit like that. You feel froggy, PM me the next time you're in NY and perhaps we can meet for a lil' face to face. Maybe catch a Ranger game or something.
As for seeing those fuckers die, no problem here. Ever been to where the twin towers once stood? Did you know anyone who died in the attacks on 9/11? Did you dig through the dust and rubble trying to help anyone?
Don't come here feeling sorry for those fuckin' terrorist bastards....you'll get no sympathy from me. I say kill 'em all and i'll gladly do a few in myself.

Now i think it's time you go away, you're starting to act like a knat on my sweaty nutsac after mowing the lawn during a hot July summers day!


did I say I felt sorry for them?
no I did not.
I just do not condone the rather childish, near sports commentary, style comments I read here. The insurgents deserved what they got, but there is nothing entertaining about watching anyone die, not even ones enemy. I say kill them and move on, no instant replay in war.

T.Hunter 01-12-2004 10:55 PM

the only reason they fired on those iraqis is because they where told to. in the military you dont doubt what your superiors tell you to do, you just do it... because if you do hesitate even for a second your putting the lives of you and your men in jepordy. even the pilot hesitated for a second, that second could have cost alot of people's lives, im shure he got a pretty nasty debreifing for that.


if you enjoy watching people die, get the fuck off this planet you sick fuck... your not wanted here.



i dont feel sorry for those iraqis being shot up like that. i feel sorry for seeing them getting shot up but they where probably doing something they werent supposed to do. keep in mind the US military doesnt spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to put a apache in the air just to go out and kill innocent civilians.

Arkan 01-12-2004 10:56 PM

[quote="Sgt Stryker":02e05]did I say I felt sorry for them?
no I did not.
I just do not condone the rather childish, near sports commentary, style comments I read here. The insurgents deserved what they got, but there is nothing entertaining about watching anyone die, not even ones enemy. I say kill them and move on, no instant replay in war.[/quote:02e05]

Ok, it's obvious we're not agreeing 100% here so i'll let it go. I'll leave it at that.

01-12-2004 10:57 PM

[quote=Arkan]
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Originally Posted by "Sgt Stryker":9c896
did I say I felt sorry for them?
no I did not.
I just do not condone the rather childish, near sports commentary, style comments I read here. The insurgents deserved what they got, but there is nothing entertaining about watching anyone die, not even ones enemy. I say kill them and move on, no instant replay in war.

Ok, it's obvious we're not agreeing 100% here so i'll let it go. I'll leave it at that.[/quote:9c896]

agree to disagree works for me

MrLevinstein 01-13-2004 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkan
What arkan said

Fuckin' A. The second you see thousands of innocent people die at the hands of terrorists, youre not going to want that to happen again because when I saw the towers go down I knew that thousands of moms, sisters, brothers, fathers cousins wernt goin home. And if we have to kill 3 more iraqis to save more of our guys, fuck them. What did sympathy ever get anyone in war. We waste our time with those iraqis giving all this help to them and what do they do? Suicide bomb us.

Do you still give a shit about those iraqis? Do you think that if they had the internet and the situation had been reversed that they would care about your life? Probably not, were not dealing with your average run of the mill Arabs you know, or perhaps you dont. Since birth Saddam hussien has taught them to hate Americans, and that they won the first gulf war. These people were trained from an early age to see and withstand pain.

So next time you feel sympethic to people give $50 to a food bank and shut it. Thats the fucking problem with left wing america. They get so caught up in other countries stuggles that they often lose goals that are normally obtainable here, but would rather see kids in indonesia have schooling, food and clothing. Rather than poor kids or homeless people here have Jobs

Fuck those Iraqis, I hope Allah gives it to 'em.

Jimmy Paterson 01-13-2004 09:29 AM

who cares, they are Iraqi there dead, whats done is done...

01-13-2004 09:40 AM

[quote="Jimmy Paterson":19ee6]who cares, they are Iraqi there dead, whats done is done...[/quote:19ee6]

my sentiments exactly,
mission accomplished, no need to watch it like Monday Night Football (which is a lot more entertaining than this vid BTW)

Fireal 01-13-2004 10:04 AM

It is cool to watch, but knowing innocent's are dead, just makes me hate bush more

JBird 01-13-2004 10:17 AM

[quote="Animal Mother":c8f0d]It is cool to watch, but knowing innocent's are dead, just makes me hate bush more[/quote:c8f0d]

innocents? laughable rolleyes:

01-13-2004 12:14 PM

[quote=JBird]
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Originally Posted by "Animal Mother":2a6bf
It is cool to watch, but knowing innocent's are dead, just makes me hate bush more

innocents? laughable rolleyes:[/quote:2a6bf]

I think he's referring to civillians that get hit in crossfires almost daily, not the guys in the video


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