[quote="SW-14":532c8]Has anyone else noticed that when there's good news out of Iraq, it's automatically labeled as propaganda, but bad news is always unquestionably accepted as the truth?[/quote:532c8]

This is because people are sceptical about the reliabilty of this information how subjective the source is. If An american gives bad news people are sure its unbias and not propaganda. Its the contrary if an American says something good, people who are humans are easily judgemental. It would be less likely to be believed. You need something good coming out of an Iraqi's mouth to trusted as true.
This shows how much the world distrust America.

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":8ed74]I dont think the marines or 101st think any different, if your a soldier, your ready to die for what ever reason your country tells you to, and especially if your helping ppl at the same time, I dont care if its the USA or Iraq but we are still helping ppl, and were doing a good job, Id die for this cause, and I think we should evem send 1000's of more troops over there, also that whole Iraqi prisoner thing, he deserved worse then what they did to him...[/quote:8ed74]

I think its funny how 15 and 17 year old kids form their own opinion about how and when it is appropriate for others to die. If you are so keen on this war, skip the ROTC and sign up because most of the soldiers probably havent been through ROTC or the academy, you should do just fine. As for the prisoners, who are you to say that they deserved what they got? Some of those people arent even fighters, they are just bystanders rounded up for questioning. We sent our army over there and our leaders say how great we are for having such a democratic system and that we are liberating them. Those MPs arent any better than the people our soldiers are looking for. How can you say those men deserve it but cry out when our soldiers are tortured too? We are supposed to be better than that, we are supposed to set an example. How are we going to convice the Iraqi citizens to not support the radical clerics if we are beating and killing people in jail? Those MPs just made the world alot more dangerous for our own troops. Why do you think every general, every cabinet member and even the President himself is disgusted with this? These few MPs practically dishonored and unraveled the image we are trying to uphold in the middle east. Before you decide who deserves to fight, die and be tortured, maybe you should think a little more about the situation. annoy:

Overall the media paints a picture of Iraq which is far worse than the true reality of past wars. So please don't blame one man for the faults in our country, heres my list of things that Bush has done right...


There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.... in the fair city of Detroit (Michigan) there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's one American city folks, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq!

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troops and Kennedy was honoring that commitment.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquidthingy.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

You will probably never find a president that you support 100% Yes there are things that need to be fixed, however they are far more trivial than the threat of terrorism on our own soil.

one reason why it took less time to take iraq is because we skipped certain cities--the cities that we are now fighting and dieng in everyday. We had troops in afghanistan before 911--we didnt get what we wanted in Afghanistan so we went to iraq-bush knew the public would support, and make him look like a wartime hero president

[quote=Madmartagen]I think its funny how 15 and 17 year old kids form their own opinion about how and when it is appropriate for others to die. If you are so keen on this war, skip the ROTC and sign up because most of the soldiers probably havent been through ROTC or the academy, you should do just fine. As for the prisoners, who are you to say that they deserved what they got? Some of those people arent even fighters, they are just bystanders rounded up for questioning. We sent our army over there and our leaders say how great we are for having such a democratic system and that we are liberating them. Those MPs arent any better than the people our soldiers are looking for. How can you say those men deserve it but cry out when our soldiers are tortured too? We are supposed to be better than that, we are supposed to set an example. How are we going to convice the Iraqi citizens to not support the radical clerics if we are beating and killing people in jail? Those MPs just made the world alot more dangerous for our own troops. Why do you think every general, every cabinet member and even the President himself is disgusted with this? These few MPs practically dishonored and unraveled the image we are trying to uphold in the middle east. Before you decide who deserves to fight, die and be tortured, maybe you should think a little more about the situation. annoy:[/quote:61eef]

I would love to sign up and go to Iraq!!! But im only 16 and thats too young, when Im 18 though and there is a war Ill drop school imidiantly and join!!

come to england, u can fight at 16

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.n ... /roll5.jpg

this picture was taken right before an attack in Falluja--you cannot tell me that kid in that picture wishes he was there, or is thinking of serving his country, or the Iraqi kids and schools.

EDIT: Dude, please resize pics before posting them.

If hes afraid to die then he shouldnt be in the army, or fighting for that matter, hed just be another Pvt. Blithe afraid to kill a man, afraid of death. I like how Speirs said it in BoB, "We're all scared. You hid in that ditch because you think there's still hope. But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function. Without mercy. Without compassion. Without remorse. All war depends on it."
When you join the army the last thing you should be thinking about is saving yourself, because as soon as you sign those papers your dead. Plus I know that there is a God and death is only the start of a whole new life, theres nothing of death to be worried about if your lucky its just a few seconds then eternal good fealings!!!

How about some of you guys form opinions that arent taken from tv mini series eek:

Just because you are in the military doesnt mean you cant be scared. Theres all kinds of fears that go through your head. Combat, passing inspection, maneuvers, falling overboard and being stranded in the China Sea. Many of these kids joined because the military offered a good career and lifelong experience. Its a gamble you take, but the last thing they need to hear is some kid going on about honor, service and all that bullshit when he doesnt have to go.

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":ab17c]If hes afraid to die then he shouldnt be in the army, or fighting for that matter, hed just be another Pvt. Blithe afraid to kill a man, afraid of death. I like how Speirs said it in BoB, "We're all scared. You hid in that ditch because you think there's still hope. But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function. Without mercy. Without compassion. Without remorse. All war depends on it."
When you join the army the last thing you should be thinking about is saving yourself, because as soon as you sign those papers your dead. Plus I know that there is a God and death is only the start of a whole new life, theres nothing of death to be worried about if your lucky its just a few seconds then eternal good fealings!!![/quote:ab17c]

You will be very disappointed when you die if you believe that shit.

Pinhead, you're wrong.
as soon as you accept that you are going to die you are as good as dead.
It's the "won't be me" mentality that got soldiers through numerous wars, and now you say its wrong.

All soldiers fear death (unless they're some kind of section-8 nutcase), but I believe it was Patton who said "the difference between a hero and a coward is holding off fear for 3 more seconds"

Im not saying I want to be a hero though, acually Id rather be a nobody pvt that died because of some stupid friendly fire accedent....I just brought up BoB cause I knew everyone's seen it and everyone remembers what Im talking about, acually Id say this is, Pfc. John Deslauria from the 1st Calvary Division, who won no medals other then a purple heart said, "The only way in a war to be a real soldier in the army is to fight like you dont have a life, that your one of the other dead soldiers on the ground, thats the way to fight right!" There, that is a nobody pfc that later died when his helicopter was shit down in Ban Me Thuot by friendly fire. If you want to live your going to try to live and be a John Kerry...

WTH the American army is all about "live to fight another day."