Well, every religion is.

Solidus, like I said before, I'm not saying that killing is right. I am a devout Roman Catholic (if you haven't noticed from my other posts in religious threads) and I firmly believe in my relgion (except for the part that masterbation is a sin biggrin: ...but that's another story). I was just trying to get the point accross from a different point of view. I disagreed with all my statements about Muslims being right. I think we are right because I was brought up as a Catholic. Maybe if i was an Muslim, i might think differently.

[quote:97162]I firmly believe in my relgion (except for the part that masterbation is a sin ...but that's another story[/quote:97162]

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As for the rest of the post, I understand. Perspective is capital but let's not
forget that the golden rule ("do unto others as you would like them do unto
you" and the corollary "don't do to others what you wouldn't want done unto
you") applies to every rational society. There is simply no excuse to act the
way they do (this applies to the true islamics)...

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As for the rest of the post, I understand. Perspective is capital but let's not
forget that the golden rule ("do unto others as you would like them do unto
you" and the corollary "don't do to others what you wouldn't want done unto
you") applies to every rational society. There is simply no excuse to act the
way they do (this applies to the true islamics)...[/quote:b8607]ok, I'm glad we both understand eachothers post. and yes, I do think the golden rule should be universal for every religion.

as I see it Islam is right now where Christianity was during the inquisition (ie a bunch of religious fanatics attacking anything that is different); they may yet grow out of it. The challenge is to keep the extremists down and keep them from gaining the support of the main stream muslims.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":b70cd]as I see it Islam is right now where Christianity was during the inquisition (ie a bunch of religious fanatics attacking anything that is different); they may yet grow out of it. The challenge is to keep the extremists down and keep them from gaining the support of the main stream muslims.[/quote:b70cd]

TO LATE. tHEY HAVE ALREADY INFILTRATED EVERY SINGLE HIGH CLERIC POSITION AND MOST OF THE GOVERNMENT POSITIONS THERE ARE.

I stopped reading after:

"Why should we tolerate a religion that demands its people to kill the innocent."

Noctis, alot of ur "facts" about of Islam is wrong. I suggest that u actually look further for these things instead of getting "facts" off of the internet or a non-practicing muslim.

I also have to agree. Noctis your statement was too bias that it quickly became out of touch with the rest of us.

Noctis is right on target: the problem is with people being exposed to the "exceptions" more often than they are to the rule ...

Here are some passages from the Qur’an

Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”

Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”

Ishaq: 676 “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”


To learn more check out [url=http://www.prophetofdoom.net/:15388]this site[/url:15388].

[quote="[2ss]Panzer":58fa2]Noctis, alot of ur "facts" about of Islam is wrong. I suggest that u actually look further for these things instead of getting "facts" off of the internet or a non-practicing muslim.[/quote:58fa2]

As I've repeated several times before, I've actually read the Quran and probably know more about the intricacies than the so-called "practicing" Muslims. I'm sure there are atheist scholars of Christianity who know more about it than I do.

My statements are well-informed and based on facts, period.

1st off -- this is NOT a war on Islam; its a war on a fanatical group of Muslums...

2nd -- I've read the Quran, the entire Bible, the Dhammapada, and the Bhagavad-Gita... but that doesn't mean I know what it is like to be part of any of those faiths... only what they say, and how I interpret it as a white, westerner.

Iv'e known, and still do, many Muslim people, men and women... I have yet to meet any that support Bin Ladin, Saddam, Al-Queda, Baath, or any of the fanatical muslim groups, they also don't support Hammas, the Taliban, or any form of suicide attacks or terrorist actions... these people dont hate the US or the Western world, they see it as a place that offers them a chance at educational and economic growth, and are more than happy to be here...

i don't agree with terrorism or the acts of millitant fanatical islamic groups... but people cant blame every muslim for this situation...

saying all muslims are at fault or lumping thier thoughts into one mind-set, is as bad as the fanatics actions of deeming all westerners as infidels and anti-muslims...

No change there then... rolleyes:

Why? Just like you have the right to post your opinion, as do I.

Just because someone never posted something in one of your other anti-Islam threads, doesn't mean they can't post in the newest one.

I hate terrorists as much as the next guy, regardless if their religion. The Islamic ones are just more covered by the media. With the invasion of Iraq, and Afghanistan.

if this is true, then why is bush trying to americanize iraq?

well said...I do not support any of these groups except the Hezbollah for they are not known as a terrorist group. Hezbollah has even called for other muslims to not follow these groups for the way they are. Hezbollah denounced the beheading 1 hour after it was released calling it "haram wa mosh islam." which practically means islam forbids it.

John J. I have seen that website many times and i laugh everytime someone tries to use it for facts. That site couldnt be bias oOo:

[quote="[2ss]Panzer":69b66]well said...I do not support any of these groups except the Hezbollah for they are not known as a terrorist group. Hezbollah has even called for other muslims to not follow these groups for the way they are. Hezbollah denounced the beheading 1 hour after it was released calling it "haram wa mosh islam." which practically means islam forbids it.

John J. I have seen that website many times and i laugh everytime someone tries to use it for facts. That site couldnt be bias oOo:[/quote:69b66]

whats bias about it??? its what your fucking quran says, i cant believe anyone can actually follow islam its one of the biggest scam religions ever devised, if anyone wants to learn about the true aspects of islam i suggest you read robert moreys "the islamic invasion"

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[quote=Eames]whats bias about it??? its what your fucking quran says, i cant believe anyone can actually follow islam its one of the biggest scam religions ever devised, if anyone wants to learn about the true aspects of islam i suggest you read robert moreys "the islamic invasion"[/quote:fe1b8]

Or even better, you hick, read the quran yourself.
Ive read it, and its all about how you think that decides what the shit in it means.
I mean, if we wanted to, we could find "legal" ways to execute all the horses in the world in the Bible.
Now stfu you rasial fuck.

where does it say in the bible "thou shalt kill muslims to reap in favors of land and business"

[quote="Old Reliable":8ed7a]where does it say in the bible "thou shalt kill muslims to reap in favors of land and business"[/quote:8ed7a]

Who are you talking to?

eames biblethumper

[quote="Old Reliable":3708b]
if this is true, then why is bush trying to americanize iraq?[/quote:3708b]

Forcing americanization down their throats won't make them any more
civilized if they had no intention of doing so by themselves in the first
place: all we're doing is fueling the fire...

Not the best example in the world, but try teaching an average 6 year old
child calculus. Try to force him to learn: chances are he'll crack before you
make any significant progress. There's a time and place for everything.

Besides, you think Bush has THEIR interest in mind when he thinks Iraq ?
Nigga please.

Noctis, support you 100% on this issue. Fuck you muslims.

What is the point of sending a child straped with 20lbs of C4 into a cafe killing hundreds of innocent people that didn't do shit to anyone else?

And thats a faulty expression. Fuck you Islamistic Extremists.
The people in the cafe are most likely around 95%, at the very least, muslim aswell.
Other than that, i couldnt agree more..

So your saying when 9/11 happened, everyone in the WTC were muslim?

dumbest post ever

The same point a shooting four children in front of their pregnant mother before shooting her...
then coming back dressed as women to shoot at people attending their funeral service a few
days later...its a muslim thang...eek:

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Well I see it as alot of Arab countries have always had pretty terrible rulers and leaders and with all the bad shit at the top levels, it goes down and affects the lower levels, it influences and affects the people, the lack of respect, the lowering of morals, common things you'd expect from civalised countries.......it becomes a vicious cycle and that can last centuries.

All the bad shit, the bad attitudes gets related to religion, then certain things are misunderstood, misconstrued and twisted so that various parts and sayings for example, could mean something completely different.

Everyone is capable of being peaceful, caring, creative and communicative. Its just down to the evolution of various cultures, some are more backward, violent and seem like a lost cause......but.......i tend not to see it as the person, the human themself as being less evolved, its just the 'current' culture that is fucked up.

Potential is the key word for islamic countries, you see, with a bastard like saddam gone things could get so much better but if mishandled- things could turn pretty desperate. Eventually everything need to be handed back to the people of Iraq, they need to be in full charge and they need to get saddam in a public trial as soon as possible. After that things can change so much its hard to comprehend, it'd be like starting again without all the badness, all the mistakes and hurt that the previous bastard governments made them go through.

It all depends on americas commitment to the situation, the choices they make now could impact the rest of the world for many years tocome.
Islam is actually a peaceful religion but over so many years the lack of progression in the islamic countries has meant its gotten a bad reputation, like with extremists misinterpreting parts of it and using it against others.....

Dunno if you got my drift, hope ya did..

i got ur drift and i tend to see it like that too

*Nods approvingly at Noctis*

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[quote="mr.miyagi":1093c]Well I see it as alot of Arab countries have always had pretty terrible rulers and leaders and with all the bad shit at the top levels, it goes down and affects the lower levels, it influences and affects the people, the lack of respect, the lowering of morals, common things you'd expect from civalised countries.......it becomes a vicious cycle and that can last centuries.

All the bad shit, the bad attitudes gets related to religion, then certain things are misunderstood, misconstrued and twisted so that various parts and sayings for example, could mean something completely different.

Everyone is capable of being peaceful, caring, creative and communicative. Its just down to the evolution of various cultures, some are more backward, violent and seem like a lost cause......but.......i tend not to see it as the person, the human themself as being less evolved, its just the 'current' culture that is fucked up.

Potential is the key word for islamic countries, you see, with a bastard like saddam gone things could get so much better but if mishandled- things could turn pretty desperate. Eventually everything need to be handed back to the people of Iraq, they need to be in full charge and they need to get saddam in a public trial as soon as possible. After that things can change so much its hard to comprehend, it'd be like starting again without all the badness, all the mistakes and hurt that the previous bastard governments made them go through.

It all depends on americas commitment to the situation, the choices they make now could impact the rest of the world for many years tocome.
Islam is actually a peaceful religion but over so many years the lack of progression in the islamic countries has meant its gotten a bad reputation, like with extremists misinterpreting parts of it and using it against others.....

Dunno if you got my drift, hope ya did..[/quote:1093c]

read the quar'an its not a peacful religon. no religon that promotes "jihad" and any sort of killing and looting could possibly be deemed a "peacful" religon.

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[quote=Eames]read the quar'an its not a peacful religon. no religon that promotes "jihad" and any sort of killing and looting could possibly be deemed a "peacful" religon.[/quote:ec285]

What about religions that started the crusades and began the construction of 'missions' that were nothing more than concentration camps for native americans? Religious books contain all sorts of violent tales and stories, but its up to the individual to interpret and apply these teachings in their lives. You dont see anyone sacraficing thier children or animals to God anymore, but that was in the bible.

what about catholic missionaries from spain in south america competing to see who could cut indiginous people in half with the fewest sword strikes?...

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[quote=Madmartagen]What about religions that started the crusades and began the construction of 'missions' that were nothing more than concentration camps for native americans? Religious books contain all sorts of violent tales and stories, but its up to the individual to interpret and apply these teachings in their lives. You dont see anyone sacraficing thier children or animals to God anymore, but that was in the bible.[/quote:bad36]

First of all, the Old Testament of the Christian Bible is irrelevant in regards to sacrificial practices, that sort of thing, since the New Testament clearly states that those are the old ways and no longer to be practiced.

Secondly, the entire reason the Crusades began was to repel Arab invaders.

Thirdly, the Spanish Catholics and other Christian groups have done some crazy things. The difference is that Christianity doesn't support their behavior, Islam does.

Panzer please translate those verses. I've found the same on more than that site.

^ Noc correct me if im wrong but.... Were the crusades not started to "Take Back" The holy Lands ? Arab Raids didn't start in to Spain im sure until The Seljuks over threw "Saladins Dynasty". Even if they were "Started to repel the attacks, they ended up in Agression taking the Holy Land.

[quote="Short Hand":dd173]^ Noc correct me if im wrong but.... Were the crusades not started to "Take Back" The holy Lands ? Arab Raids didn't start in to Spain im sure until The Seljuks over threw "Saladins Dynasty". Even if they were "Started to repel the attacks, they ended up in Agression taking the Holy Land.[/quote:dd173]

no, the fucking moors entered into spain in the 700's and made there way all the way into france which they would have conquered along with all of western europe if it hadnt been for charles martel, or charles "the hammer" who in 715 i believe beat the shit out of the saracen scum at the battle of tours. the muslims withdrew back to spain but still raided the french coast and italy constantly. and to correct all of you the crusades started after the byzantine emperor lost the battle of manzikert in 1071 which basicly left all of asia minor and palestine open to the seljuk turks who took control of these territories shortly after the battle. the byzantine emperor was desperate for help and sent a letter to the pope asking him for western assistance, the emperor expected a few thousand knights and some other professional soldiers....he got a crusade.