Communism doesnt work, you will always want what others have, like your friends girl biggrin: There will always be differences because everyone is not the same, we all are individuals. Its like those stupid people that cant art, they think that if they take a class they will be l337, but everyone knows you either have it or you don't.

thats what sociallism(communism) attempts to solve. If everyone is equal, there should be no envy like that, though we know that for an economy to work, people need a reason to work hard, this is human nature which marx and engles didnt understand. This is why a hybrid socialist state works the best, the benefits of socialism with a strong economy due to competition,
also communism has never been tested so who knows if it could really work :)

[quote:9db52]They are helped. Not just thrown money to get by, but re-educated and brought back into society. I hope you understand now that those unemployement facts mean little.[/quote:9db52]

Methinks you need to take a wider look at the American Social Programs available. The Workforce Investment Act is just one program off the top of my head. And since I yanno work for a program that deals with re-educated the laid off workforce, I kinda know that your above statement is a crock. Unemployment is a direct reflection of government structure. The only communist government that works is China (which is a prime example of the slave state). You dismiss my argument because it satisfies yours. I accept your arguments and apply counters. The true definition of debate.

[quote="TGB!":fa919][quote:fa919]They are helped. Not just thrown money to get by, but re-educated and brought back into society. I hope you understand now that those unemployement facts mean little.[/quote:fa919]

Methinks you need to take a wider look at the American Social Programs available. The Workforce Investment Act is just one program off the top of my head. And since I yanno work for a program that deals with re-educated the laid off workforce, I kinda know that your above statement is a crock. Unemployment is a direct reflection of government structure. The only communist government that works is China (which is a prime example of the slave state). You dismiss my argument because it satisfies yours. I accept your arguments and apply counters. The true definition of debate.[/quote:fa919]

Definitionof someone who thinks they are all that.

too bad ontario and quebec own the country politically..

Thats great Shawn...your point is...

I like Calgary, All the cowboyz, Guns, Country MUsic, Southern Type Accent's, all the peole saying yall all the time wink:







































just jking. (thats what the wink was for)

[quote="Short Hand":9f81e][quote="TGB!":9f81e]No. Her Grandfather (or great-grandfather) however did. What, you have millions and you're gonna make YOUR children work at McDonalds?[/quote:9f81e]

Now do you see the flaw in capitilism ? what happens when we have huge amounts ofp eople like them inheriting riches for which they do not deserve ? Ill tell you this they act a bit then run to be a politic for your state. It a joke, the strong get stronger while the weak get weaker.[/quote:9f81e]

There is no flaw in that. The Hilton sisters are well off because of their parents. They will inherit what their parents have as they SHOULD.

Bill Gates. Richest man in the world (i think still). We'll say richest capatalist. Has he horded his wealth? Yes. Has he made many more millionaires. Oh god yes. Same with the Hiltons. Capatalism - again - creates OPPURTUNITY. Yes the system is designed so that there are levels of wealth, but that is a byproduct of this government, and one that I'm happy with. Either we all have the CHANCE to succeed, or we all work to make everyone MEDIOCRE. I know what I want.

[quote="TGB!":c099b][quote:c099b]They are helped. Not just thrown money to get by, but re-educated and brought back into society. I hope you understand now that those unemployement facts mean little.[/quote:c099b]

Unemployment is a direct reflection of government structure. The only communist government that works is China (which is a prime example of the slave state). You dismiss my argument because it satisfies yours. I accept your arguments and apply counters. The true definition of debate.[/quote:c099b]
First off, China isnt really communist.
I still say your unemployement figures, and how you argue with them, makes no sense. Unemployment has little to do with government and more to do with economics especially in the systems we are arguing for. Why are people unemployed? Because there are better people to do the job than them. And that debate quote thingy was cute in a wierd sort of way. Baseless, but cute. That is something you have in the back of your mind for years and never have the opportunity to use, and when a half usable situation comes, you blindly throw it in in a vein attempt to look smart the_finger:
I best be gettin to sleep, I have some education to commence in tommorow.
BTW I was just kidding, I love capitalism and our country, I just like to argue over the internet. Screw the people who cant get by because I can! muahaha. Im serious too. Neitzche is good reading. Until next time, gnight all beer:

heh but it's the truth...the majority lives in these two provinces...and the majority wins. The only way I can see the western world having a say is if every single person votes the same and actually votes.

Thats my Robert, always peeing on people.

Ok so you don't see a "flaw" in giving fucktards like those 2 a corporate empire and millions of Dollers ? what possibly could come of this ? Seriously ? Who gives a fuck if their Grandfather earned it did they ? "They" are not their granfather" they are 2 spoiled little princess that flaunt the definition of ignorance. Just becasue they areblood why would someone give money and power to them ? What possibly wil they gain in life from this ? What will they learn from just receiving this money ? a new car a new House ? What about those things money doesn't teach ? The money in the Hilton's account could be used for better things. The value you put on money is as if it's life itself. From this I am not saying go give all your money to the poor and crap liek that all this means is why would you need to live ultra rich ? whats wrong with living a comfortable life. ?

I'd fuck them both.

People are unemployed not because there are better people to do the job, but because there are cheaper people to do the job.

aka: "better" in the eyes of the employer :)

So Would I.



That ha nothing to do with their money though. They are just fucking hot.

It doesn't matter. I still enjoy politics. And I still have a voice.

If I vote anything but Liberal, there is a very good chance that the Liberal government will be a minority government and will in turn make them more accountable.

NDP will probably win 20%
Conservatives will probably win 26% or so.

Thats 46% already. Then the Bloc and others your getting close to a minority.

The vote lies in ontario. If the Conservatives would actually do something there and turn some liberal voters onto them, then they could have a chance.

Ah good one biggrin: you should be a politician hehe

[quote:0758b]Ok so you don't see a "flaw" in giving fucktards like those 2 a corporate empire and millions of Dollers ?[/quote:0758b]

Dunno about you but I havent seen anything that said theyre going to be running the business. As far as giving them millions - who are YOU to tell the Hiltons what they should do with their money. It's THEIR money. THEY earned it. If they want to lavish it on their children (cause parents sometimes do that) then by all means they should.

And if you think that Government and Economy are exclusive. . .whew.

maybe if I dind't hate stephan harper...liberal government sucks yes...but conservatives gave me a GST...I don't like the GST.

Where the hell did this thread come from? Jujumantb, if you like Norway so much, just go move there. Communism wont work because humans are inherintly greedy. We live in a capitalist society because it is a system that works. If you make the risk to make something great, you reap the rewards and share it with whomever you want. This whole shit about taxes paying someones education for however long they want to go to school is total bullshit. People struggle because of the life they have. It is up to you to make it better and you cant rely on others for help. SS and welfare are there for an emergency. They are are there to help you get back on your feet and move on, not to stay there and live off of it. There are inequalities and discriminant factors when it comes to making your riches, but there are hundreds of examples of how people overcome them. That is why the system we have (capitalism) is so great.

[quote="Garry Coleman":185f4]i think you are naive in saying that you don't care about politics. I think everyone should have an understanding about them because it will ultimately affect their lives dramatically. It's alright hating to hear politics 24/7. Maybe you do know about politics and just don't care to discuss them (you didn't specify...sorry if i'm wrong).[/quote:185f4]

i can see where you're coming from, but its just come to the point where politics is sickening. Its everywhere, on the news, in school, EVERYWHERE!

maybe its because of my beliefs, im kinda like a transcendentalist, but not too extreme. i like simple life, art, music, and just fun. I dont see the fun or interest in debating issues or economic issues, but thats just me.

to each his own =/

[quote=Jotun]i can see where you're coming from, but its just come to the point where politics is sickening. Its everywhere, on the news, in school, EVERYWHERE!

maybe its because of my beliefs, im kinda like a transcendentalist, but not too extreme. i like simple life, art, music, and just fun. I dont see the fun or interest in debating issues or economic issues, but thats just me.

to each his own =/[/quote:c0d48]yes, Jotun, it does come to a point where politics are just talked about everywhere...quite frankly, it gets annoying sometimes. But I do think every citizen should have some knowledge of their political leaders.

[quote="Garry Coleman":80d89][quote=Jotun]i can see where you're coming from, but its just come to the point where politics is sickening. Its everywhere, on the news, in school, EVERYWHERE!

maybe its because of my beliefs, im kinda like a transcendentalist, but not too extreme. i like simple life, art, music, and just fun. I dont see the fun or interest in debating issues or economic issues, but thats just me.

to each his own =/[/quote:80d89]yes, Jotun, it does come to a point where politics are just talked about everywhere...quite frankly, it gets annoying sometimes. But I do think every citizen should have some knowledge of their political leaders.[/quote:80d89]
well, yea, but not obsess over them.

[quote=Jotun][quote="Garry Coleman":6f7ae]yes, Jotun, it does come to a point where politics are just talked about everywhere...quite frankly, it gets annoying sometimes. But I do think every citizen should have some knowledge of their political leaders.[/quote:6f7ae]
well, yea, but not obsess over them.[/quote:6f7ae]

.........if people didn't obsess over politics there would have probably been a nuclear war before the cold war

Where were you educated at? I'll write my congressman about that place oOo:
Who is talking about communism? You are stupid, really cant put it another way. If you took time to read the thread, I said I was using Norway as an example because it has perfected the system I was trying to explain. I would love to live there, but current circumastances make that impossible. Open your eyes a bit. You are a classic example of every politically ignorant person out there. Do some research on your own, whome ever has taught you about this stuff in the past must have had some great bias you missed.

where do you get your money?..most any life, even simple lives with music & fun, costs money and
means interacting with the economy...you can only truely avoid it if you have access to plenty of money
that you presumably didn't have to earn (I say that because if you earned all your own money you'd probably
already be talking about the economy & politics)