[quote="Garry Coleman":a6006]...once again, you prove you are dumbass.[/quote:a6006]

omg protestants you believe in somethings we don't...die you mother fuckers...DIE LETS KILL YOU NWO!!!!!!!! KILLING is fun...but letting a baby die is wrong but i can kill millions because my god says it's ok becasuse I interpret things the wrong way and my religion is the msot hypocritical and corrupted piece of shit in the world.

[quote=Pyro]omg protestants you believe in somethings we don't...die you mother fuckers...DIE LETS KILL YOU NWO!!!!!!!! KILLING is fun...but letting a baby die is wrong but i can kill millions because my god says it's ok becasuse I interpret things the wrong way and my religion is the msot hypocritical and corrupted piece of shit in the world.[/quote:d1110]first of all, abortion wasn't around during the middle ages. Secondly, now that abortion is around, no catholic leader tells people to go kill protestants. Fuck you.

[quote="Garry Coleman":a3cc7][quote=Pyro]omg protestants you believe in somethings we don't...die you mother fuckers...DIE LETS KILL YOU NWO!!!!!!!! KILLING is fun...but letting a baby die is wrong but i can kill millions because my god says it's ok becasuse I interpret things the wrong way and my religion is the msot hypocritical and corrupted piece of shit in the world.[/quote:a3cc7]first of all, abortion wasn't around during the middle ages. Secondly, now that abortion is around, no catholic leader tells people to go kill protestants. Fuck you.[/quote:a3cc7]

He is thinking is though...I know what polish are like cuz I am half polish...and trust me that pope john paul II has nukes...

[quote="Garry Coleman":888f4]first of all, abortion wasn't around during the middle ages.[/quote:888f4]
There were abortions and birth control going as far back as ancient greece, egypt and rome. Though they werent as widely used as they are today, they were legal because no one had decided to pass laws against them.
[url="http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/jherron/abortion.htm"]http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/jherron/abortion.htm[/url]
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0856467.html
http://www.rencentral.com/feb_mar_vol2/ ... ages.shtml

Also, if you want to take this into account, early humans would smother or abandon babys born in the winter in order to make sure the tribe would survive. That isnt an excuse, but... oOo:

I dont wanna think about wtf abortions in ancient times where, probably something along the lines of give the mothers stomach a kicking to kill the baby or some shit. oOo:

[quote=Madmartagen][quote="Garry Coleman":f7bec]first of all, abortion wasn't around during the middle ages.[/quote]
There were abortions and birth control going as far back as ancient greece, egypt and rome. Though they werent as widely used as they are today, they were legal because no one had decided to pass laws against them.
[url="http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/jherron/abortion.htm"]http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/jherron/abortion.htm[/url]
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0856467.html
http://www.rencentral.com/feb_mar_vol2/ ... ages.shtml

Also, if you want to take this into account, early humans would smother or abandon babys born in the winter in order to make sure the tribe would survive. That isnt an excuse, but... oOo:[/quote:f7bec]you had the right idea about me talking about legalized abortion. The Catholic Church has never supported any form of abortion in modern society.

edit: the last source talks about abortions, but it refers to prostitutes having abortions. Prostitutes were damned since they had sex out of marriage.

[quote="Garry Coleman":ce7d6][quote=Madmartagen][quote="Garry Coleman":ce7d6]first of all, abortion wasn't around during the middle ages.[/quote]
There were abortions and birth control going as far back as ancient greece, egypt and rome. Though they werent as widely used as they are today, they were legal because no one had decided to pass laws against them.
[url="http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/jherron/abortion.htm"]http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/jherron/abortion.htm[/url]
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0856467.html
http://www.rencentral.com/feb_mar_vol2/ ... ages.shtml

Also, if you want to take this into account, early humans would smother or abandon babys born in the winter in order to make sure the tribe would survive. That isnt an excuse, but... oOo:[/quote:ce7d6]you had the right idea about me talking about legalized abortion. The Catholic Church has never supported any form of abortion in modern society.[/quote:ce7d6]

then why support killing other humans in meaningless wars?

[quote=Pyro]you had the right idea about me talking about legalized abortion. The Catholic Church has never supported any form of abortion in modern society.[/quote:1a776]

then why support killing other humans in meaningless wars?[/quote:1a776]what the fuck kind of religous wars are you talking about?? Don't get the Catholics and Muslims mixed up here child oOo:

[quote="Garry Coleman":f4d3e][quote=Madmartagen][quote="Garry Coleman":f4d3e]first of all, abortion wasn't around during the middle ages.[/quote]
There were abortions and birth control going as far back as ancient greece, egypt and rome. Though they werent as widely used as they are today, they were legal because no one had decided to pass laws against them.
[url="http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/jherron/abortion.htm"]http://www.filebox.vt.edu/users/jherron/abortion.htm[/url]
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0856467.html
http://www.rencentral.com/feb_mar_vol2/ ... ages.shtml

Also, if you want to take this into account, early humans would smother or abandon babys born in the winter in order to make sure the tribe would survive. That isnt an excuse, but... oOo:[/quote:f4d3e]you had the right idea about me talking about legalized abortion. The Catholic Church has never supported any form of abortion in modern society.[/quote:f4d3e]

Yeah, but are you going to live your life by what the Catholic Church says? They change their dogma all the time.

edit: the last source talks about abortions, but it refers to prostitutes having abortions. Prostitutes were damned since they had sex out of marriage.

wtf?? who edited my post?

you had the right idea about me talking about legalized abortion. The Catholic Church has never supported any form of abortion in modern society.[/quote:e00a2]

then why support killing other humans in meaningless wars?[/quote:e00a2]what the fuck kind of religous wars are you talking about?? Don't get the Catholics and Muslims mixed up here child oOo:[/quote:e00a2]

Ah...Catholics are no worse than muslims.

Madmartagen, the answer is Yes, i will live my life according to what the Church says. That's the whole idea of being Catholic...

I beleive a mother would have the moral obligation to herself to not kill this thing. Have the bab y and give it for adoption. If you have ever seen what they do to a baby" not a fucking fetus, its a living thing. THey have the right but why would anyone morrally do it ?

1 the drain the uterus
2 they pump it full of salt water to steralize the womb and partially stings the baby as well.
3 they first crush the baby killing it slowly, painfully the baby feels every single moment of this.
4 they cut the baby up in the womb into hundreds of peices.
5 the doctor takes each peice out at a time
6 he peices the dead baby back together to make sure he got all of the baby parts.
7 womb is pumped clean of salt water.

Thats a typical abortion in most clinics. Disgusting yes. Think of your self now if you wish to commit this act. Its going to be on your mind for life.

I adhere the women has the right, but I also hope she has the mind to deal with it. Becasue Abortion isnt as "humane" as you would love it to be.

[img]http://www.ezl.com/~goldsmith/lions/abortion.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/m20.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/m64.jpg[/img]

Here are some graphic pictures of that salt abortion that Short hand was talking about... [url:acf73]http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/dc/index.htm[/url:acf73]

here are some more graphic pictures as well. [url:acf73]http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/[/url:acf73]














annoy:

[quote=Pyro]omg protestants you believe in somethings we don't...die you mother fuckers...DIE LETS KILL YOU NWO!!!!!!!! KILLING is fun...but letting a baby die is wrong but i can kill millions because my god says it's ok becasuse I interpret things the wrong way and my religion is the msot hypocritical and corrupted piece of shit in the world.[/quote:93ad7]

Wtf Pyro? Have you turned anti-christian all of sudden?

How much do you know about our religion anyways? You said in another thread that the Bible was hypocritical. If you "know" so much, please tell me where...

And yes I am against abortion; Bastards mad: , I don't know how anyone could do such a thing.

honestly it the type of thing that brings me to tears if i think of it to hard.

[quote=Pyro]you had the right idea about me talking about legalized abortion. The Catholic Church has never supported any form of abortion in modern society.[/quote:40f0d]

then why support killing other humans in meaningless wars?[/quote:40f0d]

If we didn't go to war, ever, there probably wouldn't even be a world today.

[quote=snipes]then why support killing other humans in meaningless wars?[/quote:60221]

If we didn't go to war, ever, there probably wouldn't even be a world today.[/quote:60221]

explain....

[quote=snipes]then why support killing other humans in meaningless wars?[/quote:09177]

If we didn't go to war, ever, there probably wouldn't even be a world today.[/quote:09177]

those wars weren't about Germany wanting to take over the world...it was just about tiny differences in "faith".

What does looking at dead fetus's look any worse than dead bodies killed for no reason in murders in our countries every year?

[quote=Quze]If we didn't go to war, ever, there probably wouldn't even be a world today.[/quote:84393]

explain....[/quote:84393]

Well, If the U.S. or any of the allies didn't rise up to go to war against the axis, they practically would've destroyed our world as we know it wouldn't they?

I mean "destroyed" in many different ways, I don't just mean just firepower-wise (It is possible nowadays), but I mean our world is corrupted enough in greed for power and money, all I'm trying to say is that if "the good guys" had lost any wars they had won, or just didn't bother to go to war altogether (surrendered), the world could've taken many different and many worse paths that could have led to the fall and corruption of our own race long ago.

Pyro the point is we can stop abortion morally, It is not a ideal to kill something to make your life more convient. It is stopable and unlike war does not need death for a simple solution.

[quote="Short Hand":fb421]Pyro the point is we can stop abortion morally, It is not a ideal to kill something to make your life more convient. It is stopable and unlike war does not need death for a simple solution.[/quote:fb421]

well most deaths are too make life more convient...do I think abortion is right...no...do I care...not really...it isn't my kid.

[quote=Pyro]omg protestants you believe in somethings we don't...die you mother fuckers...DIE LETS KILL YOU NWO!!!!!!!! KILLING is fun...but letting a baby die is wrong but i can kill millions because my god says it's ok becasuse I interpret things the wrong way and my religion is the msot hypocritical and corrupted piece of shit in the world.[/quote:7f225]

Pyro I like ya, but you don't have a clue. rolleyes:

[quote=Pyro]well most deaths are too make life more convient...do I think abortion is right...no...do I care...not really...it isn't my kid.[/quote:75d03]

Its not your life either.

I fucking hate this country.

A poll run by ABC said that 74% of Americans were against Partial-Birth Abortions, with another 9% being impartial. That means that a whopping 17% of the public managed to legalize the literal murder of a human being seconds from taking its first breath of air.

God fucking damnit I hate liberalistic shit like this with every fiber of my being.

Its not liberal. Neither is it anything else. It is a neutral dead issue. I consider my self an avid liberal or "left winger" and i take a firm stance against this thing. Trust me a many a liberals are against it as, conservatives support it and vice versa etc. Its not an issue defined by your affiliation or preference but by yourv personal code of ethics. Which if you hadn't notice liberalism tends to show more of then conservatism ever does Noc. biggrin:

[quote="Short Hand":344a1]Its not liberal. Neither is it anything else. It is a neutral dead issue. I consider my self an avid liberal or "left winger" and i take a firm stance against this thing. Trust me a many a liberals are against it as, conservatives support it and vice versa etc. Its not an issue defined by your affiliation or preference but by yourv personal code of ethics. Which if you hadn't notice liberalism tends to show more of then conservatism ever does Noc. biggrin:[/quote:344a1]

Liberals on average seem to support it, atleats the "big" liberals say they do. Anyways Conservatives are the ones fighting it, but I don't acre who stops it, somebody must.

Late term should only be acceptable if the mother's life is in danger; in this case we are talking 2 casualties vs. 1, the logical choice is one.

I consider the fetus to be alive at this point; unlike early abortions the baby is essentially alive and must be "finished off" (as cold as that sounds *shudder*) after it is removed from the womb.

So unless the mother is in mortal danger it should be illegal at this stage in development.

One of the pillars of Liberal beliefs is being Pro-Choice. So yeah, might want to find a new word or call yourself a Centrist or Independant or something.

Side note: Out of curiousity (I live in South Carolina, so I don't see a lot of Liberal influence down here like I did in Virginia) - has anyone happened to hear John Kerry get through a campaign pitch without bashing the President? I ask because they don't televise very many down here, I mostly have to watch them via the internet (I like to be as educated as possible on the opponent so that I know the issues). Anyway, all the ones I have seen at least 50% are spent bashing President Bush without ever even giving any sort of plausible or firm suggestion of a solution. I don't know, that just irritates the hell out of me.

I didn't mean to derail this thread, don't answer that, I already know that's what he does.

Bottom line, baby killers will spend an eternity in Hell getting ass-raped by Mike Tyson while Rosie O'Donnell shoves her dick down their throats.

If Hell existed maybe i'd care...

look out for #1

imwithstupid:

Your atheist beliefs are so cool, Pyro.

All the kids at school must envy your overwhelming coolness when you take every opportunity to remind them that you believe in nothing at all and that they are idiots for choosing to believe in some greater existance.

To have a Pyro moment here, I think atheists are sad, pathetic individuals who choose to justify their moral bankruptcy by convincing themselves that they will never really have to pay for their actions. So just try and get through a thread without reminding us all that you're a dumbfuck, thanks.

I'm not athiest or agnostic.

I believe there is a chance there is a God, I can't prove either way...but I also couldn't give a shit if there was or not.

you complain about "liberals" attacking Christians and yet you attack non-Christians?

pot this is kettle, pot this is kettle, color check please, over

/me really really really really wishes that he has banning power for the messageboards.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":3bea8]you complain about "liberals" attacking Christians and yet you attack non-Christians?

pot this is kettle, pot this is kettle, color check please, over[/quote:3bea8]

Radio sounds good there buddy. Uh, whats your 20 how bout it? Oh wait......... oOo:

Noctis:





If you consider Pro Choice to be the center of liberalism then you seem to be a tad cunfused about it in general. Lets see im not liberal becasue my beleifs of Pro choice ? Does this mean that you don't support racial segration the your a centralist as well ? Honestly Noc thats a fucking retarded concept. Im sorry if i'm not hardcore enough for your liberal labels and stereotypes.

I will say this though, as the great Pierre Elliot Trudeau said:

“the state has no place in the bedroom”

[quote="TGB!":c4139]Right. Time to put my big ass balls on display. Do NOT get personal with other posters. Keep it civil or your post gets deleted. This is a sensitive issue, but one that any intelligent person SHOULD be able to communicate effectively without resorting to "OMG!!11 SINNER/NAZI!!"

Fuck I love being a mod.[/quote:c4139]

That's all Noctis does.

[quote=Pyro]That's all Noctis does.[/quote:2685c]wtf pyro. All you do is descriminate religion in all of your posts...and throw in some anti-america here and there.