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Airborne Butters 06-29-2004 12:17 AM

this is all I'm saying on the debate; You people in Canada, do you plan on moving down by the time the draft might reinstated? Untill then don't fucking worry about what we do. I know your guys are probally shittin' your pants saying 'well you invaded Iraq, blah blah' but let me tell you that when you fly a plane into a building and kill 2000 people, then harbor the fuckers that did it, you can almost gurantee we're gonna be fucking some shit up.

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:17 AM

Nobody said they would be unwilling to protect their country, only that they would be unwilling to be forced into it. Personally, I would definitely join up if my country was under threat of invasion and it was TRULY for the sake of defense. But personally, I have no interest in laying down my life just to remove some petty tyrant on a far off shore. If the cause is just, the people will fight for it of their own free will, and you can't ask people to lay down their lives if they aren't convinced that their lives are really being valued.

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:18 AM

[quote="Airborne Butters":a4319]this is all I'm saying on the debate; You people in Canada, do you plan on moving down by the time the draft might reinstated? Untill then don't fucking worry about what we do. I know your guys are probally shittin' your pants saying 'well you invaded Iraq, blah blah' but let me tell you that when you fly a plane into a building and kill 2000 people, then harbor the fuckers that did it, you can almost gurantee we're gonna be fucking some shit up.[/quote:a4319]

Why not invade Canada then. Everyone thinks we harbor terrorists too.

Recycled Spooge 06-29-2004 12:18 AM

That thread was loctis by Noctis. Pun!

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:18 AM

[quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro]
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How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:908e4]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:908e4]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:908e4]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day!

1080jibber 06-29-2004 12:19 AM

[quote="Airborne Butters":87e06]this is all I'm saying on the debate; You people in Canada, do you plan on moving down by the time the draft might reinstated? Untill then don't fucking worry about what we do. I know your guys are probally shittin' your pants saying 'well you invaded Iraq, blah blah' but let me tell you that when you fly a plane into a building and kill 2000 people, then harbor the fuckers that did it, you can almost gurantee we're gonna be fucking some shit up.[/quote:87e06]

what does flying planes into buildings have to do with Iraq



waits again hellfire:

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:19 AM

[quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "Pyro":4791a
How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:4791a]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:4791a]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:4791a]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:4791a]

That doesn't answer the question.

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:21 AM

[quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote="Pyro":6e643]
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Originally Posted by "Arkan":6e643
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Originally Posted by "Pyro":6e643
How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:6e643]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:6e643]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:6e643]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:6e643]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:6e643]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:22 AM

[quote=1080jibber]
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Originally Posted by "Airborne Butters":b72e4
this is all I'm saying on the debate; You people in Canada, do you plan on moving down by the time the draft might reinstated? Untill then don't fucking worry about what we do. I know your guys are probally shittin' your pants saying 'well you invaded Iraq, blah blah' but let me tell you that when you fly a plane into a building and kill 2000 people, then harbor the fuckers that did it, you can almost gurantee we're gonna be fucking some shit up.

what does flying planes into buildings have to do with Iraq



waits again hellfire:[/quote:b72e4]

Are you just adding fuel to the fire, or are you serious?

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:22 AM

[quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote="Arkan":edc00][quote="Pyro":edc00]
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Originally Posted by "Arkan":edc00
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Originally Posted by "Pyro":edc00
How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:edc00]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:edc00]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:edc00]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:edc00]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:edc00]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:edc00]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.

[GDC]_Polemarcus 06-29-2004 12:23 AM

Ok Pyro,

For me... it's like this...

I have never served in the United States Military, instead I decided to go to school and get my masters degree in architecture. In a round-about way it is because of our government I had the freedom to choose that path. I wasnt forced to become a baker, or work in a steel mill. I was able to choose my own path because others had spilled thier blood. My country provided me with federal loans and protected my intrests while studying abroad. I am able to worship what ever religion I choose and speak my mind in public (within reason of course.) For me these freedoms allow happiness.

Out of simple good faith I like to think that any decisions the US makes are in the best interest of the United States and rest of the world. I don't necessarly agree with detail that occurs overseas, but i do support all of the general conceptual intents. Eliminate those who prevent the right of happiness. Our ancestors fought and died to gain independance and defend the values of the constitution. I personally believe my children, my countrymen and the people of any foriegn land deserve those same freedoms... This is why; if my country requested my presence in combat I would server without hesitation.

Mr.Buttocks 06-29-2004 12:24 AM

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":1857c]

Out of simple good faith I like to think that any decisions the US makes are in the best interest of the United States and rest of the world.[/quote:1857c]

You are a danger to humanity. You should be terminated.

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:26 AM

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":3e799]Ok Pyro,

For me... it's like this...

I have never served in the United States Military, instead I decided to go to school and get my masters degree in architecture. In a round-about way it is because of our government I had the freedom to choose that path. I wasnt forced to become a baker, or work in a steel mill. I was able to choose my own path because others had spilled thier blood. My country provided me with federal loans and protected my intrests while studying abroad. I am able to worship what ever religion I choose and speak my mind in public (within reason of course.) For me these freedoms allow happiness.

Out of simple good faith I like to think that any decisions the US makes are in the best interest of the United States and rest of the world. I don't necessarly agree with detail that occurs overseas, but i do support all of the general conceptual intents. Eliminate those who prevent the right of happiness. Our ancestors fought and died to gain independance and defend the values of the constitution. I personally believe my children, my countrymen and the people of any foriegn land deserve those same freedoms... This is why; if my country requested my presence in combat I would server without hesitation.[/quote:3e799]

How exactly can you know if that is what they want as well though. It seems the Middle- East and so on don't exactly like how the Western world is run. I also don't believe you should follow the government because of it. I know it is wrong to use Hitler in this case, but shit can happen if everyone has the same mindset.

[GDC]_Polemarcus 06-29-2004 12:28 AM

You're taking that statement out of context. Im aware that many of the policies they US supports are detriments to the rest of the world. But I do not believe that that the main conceptual goals of those policies are to harm people.

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:29 AM

[quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote="Pyro":c2011][quote="Arkan":c2011][quote="Pyro":c2011]
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Originally Posted by "Pyro":c2011
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Originally Posted by "Arkan":c2011
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Originally Posted by "Pyro":c2011
How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:c2011]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:c2011]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:c2011]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:c2011]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:c2011]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:c2011]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.[/quote:c2011]

Well, lets see if i can answer your question. As far as the Government being "Conservative", i would think not just by the actions taken the past few years. Now, as far as the "people of America" and their views, i can't answer that. We have conservatives, liberals, and, unfortunately, people like yourself.

....did i answer your question or do i have to sit here all fucking night having a worthless debate with you?

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:29 AM

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":46e52]You're taking that statement out of context. Im aware that many of the policies they US supports are detriments to the rest of the world. But I do not believe that that the main conceptual goals of those policies are to harm people.[/quote:46e52]

I wouldn't think that either. I don't think America would ever turn out that way.

Drew 06-29-2004 12:30 AM

[quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote="Arkan":ee673][quote="Pyro":ee673][quote="Arkan":ee673][quote="Pyro":ee673]
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Originally Posted by "Pyro":ee673
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Originally Posted by "Arkan":ee673
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Originally Posted by "Pyro":ee673
How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:ee673]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:ee673]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:ee673]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:ee673]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:ee673]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:ee673]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.[/quote:ee673]

Well, lets see if i can answer your question. As far as the Government being "Conservative", i would think not just by the actions taken the past few years. Now, as far as the "people of America" and their views, i can't answer that. We have conservatives, liberals, and, unfortunately, people like yourself.

....did i answer your question or do i have to sit here all fucking night having a worthless debate with you?[/quote:ee673]

Conservatism > Liberalism

Liberalism is too idealistic and based on Utopian beliefs. Conservatism's drawback is that it is too focused on the present and is resistant to change.

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:31 AM

[quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote="Arkan":6d7a1][quote="Pyro":6d7a1][quote="Arkan":6d7a1][quote="Pyro":6d7a1]
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Originally Posted by "Pyro":6d7a1
How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:6d7a1]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:6d7a1]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:6d7a1]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:6d7a1]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:6d7a1]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:6d7a1]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.[/quote:6d7a1]

Well, lets see if i can answer your question. As far as the Government being "Conservative", i would think not just by the actions taken the past few years. Now, as far as the "people of America" and their views, i can't answer that. We have conservatives, liberals, and, unfortunately, people like yourself.

....did i answer your question or do i have to sit here all fucking night having a worthless debate with you?[/quote:6d7a1]

I guess having an open mind is a terrible thing now. You could always tell me your views on how the government is being run at this point and what you like and might like changed etc.

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:32 AM

[quote=Noctis][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote="Pyro":283cc][quote="Arkan":283cc][quote="Pyro":283cc][quote="Arkan":283cc][quote="Pyro":283cc]
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Originally Posted by "Arkan":283cc
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How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:283cc]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:283cc]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:283cc]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:283cc]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:283cc]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:283cc]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.[/quote:283cc]

Well, lets see if i can answer your question. As far as the Government being "Conservative", i would think not just by the actions taken the past few years. Now, as far as the "people of America" and their views, i can't answer that. We have conservatives, liberals, and, unfortunately, people like yourself.

....did i answer your question or do i have to sit here all fucking night having a worthless debate with you?[/quote:283cc]

Conservatism > Liberalism

Liberalism is too idealistic and based on Utopian beliefs. Conservatism's drawback is that it is too focused on the present and is resistant to change.[/quote:283cc]

Well, change is not always for the better.

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:33 AM

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":ce8c7][quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":ce8c7]

Out of simple good faith I like to think that any decisions the US makes are in the best interest of the United States and rest of the world.[/quote:ce8c7]

You are a danger to humanity. You should be terminated.[/quote:ce8c7]

You proved it to me with that statement that you truly are an asshole. Please remember to plunge a kitchen knife through your chest the next time you're buttering a bagel !

[GDC]_Polemarcus 06-29-2004 12:34 AM

[quote:fb8a6]How exactly can you know if that is what they want as well though. It seems the Middle- East and so on don't exactly like how the Western world is run. I also don't believe you should follow the government because of it. I know it is wrong to use Hitler in this case, but shit can happen if everyone has the same mindset.[/quote:fb8a6]

Its not a matter of being a mindset. I do not consider myself a puppet of the United States Government. For me its about defending the basic values and rights of humanity. In regards to your comment about "petty tyrants.. and use of hitler as an example..." Remember this. At one point hitler was nothing more than a "petty" corpral. In 1991 Iraq had one of the largest military forces in the world. If the gulf war had not occured in 90's there is no telling where we would be today.

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:35 AM

Can you guys quit getting mad at others for having different opinions from you? This is strickly for information purposes, not to fight over mindless shit.

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:36 AM

[quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote="Pyro":1f9c4][quote="Arkan":1f9c4][quote="Pyro":1f9c4][quote="Arkan":1f9c4][quote="Pyro":1f9c4]
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How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:1f9c4]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:1f9c4]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:1f9c4]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:1f9c4]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:1f9c4]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:1f9c4]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.[/quote:1f9c4]

Well, lets see if i can answer your question. As far as the Government being "Conservative", i would think not just by the actions taken the past few years. Now, as far as the "people of America" and their views, i can't answer that. We have conservatives, liberals, and, unfortunately, people like yourself.

....did i answer your question or do i have to sit here all fucking night having a worthless debate with you?[/quote:1f9c4]

I guess having an open mind is a terrible thing now. You could always tell me your views on how the government is being run at this point and what you like and might like changed etc.[/quote:1f9c4]

Well shit, why don't you come over to my house for a cup of tea and perhaps we'll solve the worlds problems?

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:36 AM

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":b8efa][quote:b8efa]How exactly can you know if that is what they want as well though. It seems the Middle- East and so on don't exactly like how the Western world is run. I also don't believe you should follow the government because of it. I know it is wrong to use Hitler in this case, but shit can happen if everyone has the same mindset.[/quote:b8efa]

Its not a matter of being a mindset. I do not consider myself a puppet of the United States Government. For me its about defending the basic values and rights of humanity. In regards to your comment about "petty tyrants.. and use of hitler as an example..." Remember this. At one point hitler was nothing more than a "petty" corpral. In 1991 Iraq had one of the largest military forces in the world. If the gulf war had not occured in 90's there is no telling where we would be today.[/quote:b8efa]

I was too young at that time to know much about what was going on then.

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:37 AM

[quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote="Arkan":26ce5][quote="Pyro":26ce5][quote="Arkan":26ce5][quote="Pyro":26ce5][quote="Arkan":26ce5][quote="Pyro":26ce5]
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How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:26ce5]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:26ce5]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:26ce5]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:26ce5]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:26ce5]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:26ce5]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.[/quote:26ce5]

Well, lets see if i can answer your question. As far as the Government being "Conservative", i would think not just by the actions taken the past few years. Now, as far as the "people of America" and their views, i can't answer that. We have conservatives, liberals, and, unfortunately, people like yourself.

....did i answer your question or do i have to sit here all fucking night having a worthless debate with you?[/quote:26ce5]

I guess having an open mind is a terrible thing now. You could always tell me your views on how the government is being run at this point and what you like and might like changed etc.[/quote:26ce5]

Well shit, why don't you come over to my house for a cup of tea and perhaps we'll solve the worlds problems?[/quote:26ce5]

It would be a little far-fetched that our meeting could have any effect on the problems of the world. But knowing of these problems would be of great interest.

Coleman 06-29-2004 12:39 AM

didn't read through all these pages, but I'd definately go to war if my country called for me. If I don't go, who will, right?

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:41 AM

[quote="Garry Coleman":75267]didn't read through all these pages, but I'd definately go to war if my country called for me. If I don't go, who will, right?[/quote:75267]

Would you go for any reason though? Is there any possible situation that you might ever say no?

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:41 AM

[quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote=Pyro][quote=Arkan][quote="Pyro":2517b][quote="Arkan":2517b][quote="Pyro":2517b][quote="Arkan":2517b][quote="Pyro":2517b][quote="Arkan":2517b][quote="Pyro":2517b]
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How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:2517b]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:2517b]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:2517b]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:2517b]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:2517b]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:2517b]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.[/quote:2517b]

Well, lets see if i can answer your question. As far as the Government being "Conservative", i would think not just by the actions taken the past few years. Now, as far as the "people of America" and their views, i can't answer that. We have conservatives, liberals, and, unfortunately, people like yourself.

....did i answer your question or do i have to sit here all fucking night having a worthless debate with you?[/quote:2517b]

I guess having an open mind is a terrible thing now. You could always tell me your views on how the government is being run at this point and what you like and might like changed etc.[/quote:2517b]

Well shit, why don't you come over to my house for a cup of tea and perhaps we'll solve the worlds problems?[/quote:2517b]

It would be a little far-fetched that our meeting could have any effect on the problems of the world. But knowing of these problems would be of great interest.[/quote:2517b]

You're begining to sound like Confucius.

Madmartagen 06-29-2004 12:43 AM

Please, stop quoting dance:

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:43 AM

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How the fuck is this stupid, hell im suprized any of you even understood what I said.

Anyways

Classic conservative following Thomas Paine's mantra "That government is best which governs least."

Why isn't it still like this?

I dunno, why don't you ask Jesus?

How can you people follow something and know nothing about it?

Whenever i need to know what my Government has in store for me, i always look to my helpful neighbors to the north. They seem to have all the answers. oOo:

Well the federal election is tomorrow, and i'd like to know more about it befor eI choose who to vote for. I just thought i'd ask people from a country who is under conservative ideologies right now.[/quote:a74bb]

Are you sure America is under conservative ideologies right now? What makes you believe that? Did you consult your nextdoor neighbor to find out what their ideas are? Do you have a problem coming to conclusions on your own that you have to consult others in different countries? How ever did you make it through school?[/quote:a74bb]

Isn't Republicans on the right of the political spectrum? The opposite of the Democrast which would be on the left? In school I learned from teachers who knew what I didn't. I have basic knowledge which I showcased earlier about the original idea and history of conservatism.[/quote:a74bb]

Did they teach you to be an annoying prick....or did it just come natural?
You're like a knat on my nut-sac after i moved the lawn on a hot summers day![/quote:a74bb]

That doesn't answer the question.[/quote:a74bb]

You tell me smart ass. Lets see how smart those teachers were.[/quote:a74bb]

I already stated I only know of classic conservatism. I am asking how conservatism is implemented right now.[/quote:a74bb]

Well, lets see if i can answer your question. As far as the Government being "Conservative", i would think not just by the actions taken the past few years. Now, as far as the "people of America" and their views, i can't answer that. We have conservatives, liberals, and, unfortunately, people like yourself.

....did i answer your question or do i have to sit here all fucking night having a worthless debate with you?[/quote:a74bb]

I guess having an open mind is a terrible thing now. You could always tell me your views on how the government is being run at this point and what you like and might like changed etc.[/quote:a74bb]

Well shit, why don't you come over to my house for a cup of tea and perhaps we'll solve the worlds problems?[/quote:a74bb]

It would be a little far-fetched that our meeting could have any effect on the problems of the world. But knowing of these problems would be of great interest.[/quote:a74bb]

You're begining to sound like Confucius.[/quote:a74bb]

Don't know much about him except that he was some kind of chinese philosopher.

[GDC]_Polemarcus 06-29-2004 12:43 AM

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_Polemarcus":efe64][quote:efe64]How exactly can you know if that is what they want as well though. It seems the Middle- East and so on don't exactly like how the Western world is run. I also don't believe you should follow the government because of it. I know it is wrong to use Hitler in this case, but shit can happen if everyone has the same mindset.

Its not a matter of being a mindset. I do not consider myself a puppet of the United States Government. For me its about defending the basic values and rights of humanity. In regards to your comment about "petty tyrants.. and use of hitler as an example..." Remember this. At one point hitler was nothing more than a "petty" corpral. In 1991 Iraq had one of the largest military forces in the world. If the gulf war had not occured in 90's there is no telling where we would be today.[/quote:efe64][/quote:efe64]

Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.



1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:45 AM

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Please, stop quoting dance:

Why ?

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:46 AM

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":1a66e]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.



1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?[/quote:1a66e]

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:48 AM

[quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "[GDC
_Polemarcus":b80a4]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.



1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?[/quote:b80a4]

Shit, good one. Perhaps we'll blow those fuckers up next!! Don't ya just love those slanty-eyed fuckers?

[GDC]_Polemarcus 06-29-2004 12:48 AM

[quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "Garry Coleman":c18e1
didn't read through all these pages, but I'd definately go to war if my country called for me. If I don't go, who will, right?

Would you go for any reason though? Is there any possible situation that you might ever say no?[/quote:c18e1]

Yes, I would decline to server in the military If its objective was to forcefully take over, and occupy a nation with the intent of never restoring proper sovereignty

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:50 AM

[quote=Arkan]
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Originally Posted by "[GDC
_Polemarcus":fb249]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.



1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?

Shit, good one. Perhaps we'll blow those fuckers up next!! Don't ya just love those slanty-eyed fuckers?[/quote:fb249]

I don't think appearence should be used in any conjuction with this discussion.

[GDC]_Polemarcus 06-29-2004 12:50 AM

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WHy not North Korea before Iraq?[/quote:36dca]

Because there is still hope of peace. There is still limited negotiation. Atleast they allowed inspectors.

Pyro 06-29-2004 12:51 AM

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":dcdec][quote:dcdec]

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?[/quote:dcdec]

Because there is still hope of peace. There is still limited negotiation. Atleast they allowed inspectors.[/quote:dcdec]

Well, at least war is being used as a last resort.

Arkan 06-29-2004 12:53 AM

[quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "[GDC
_Polemarcus":536c8]Well that should be enough logic for you then...

At one point Iraq had the capability to take over the entire middle east. The allied forces forcefully removed the Republican Guard and liberated Kuwait. 12 years later, we are in this situation. Granted no WMD's have been found yet, but important officials had serious reasons to believe the bath party had WMD's in their posession. 12 years after the fact, humiliated by defeat, Hussein would have every reason to use those weapons on the middle east and any opposing forces... now i know hind sight is 20/20, but what IF he had them, what IF we did nothing, and what IF they were used. If anything learn from our previous mistakes.



1919 The treaty of versailles was signed limiting the germans for establishing a military

In the years to come the German Military would build the most powerful navy and airforce in the world, while everyone just sat back and watched... What IF we took action sooner?

WHy not North Korea before Iraq?

Shit, good one. Perhaps we'll blow those fuckers up next!! Don't ya just love those slanty-eyed fuckers?

I don't think appearence should be used in any conjuction with this discussion.[/quote:536c8]

Why not? It makes all the sense in the world. Perhaps some blind guy is being read this thread and unbeknownst to him is the fact that the North Koreans have a distinct shape to their eyes. He would then get a good visual of the whole picture !

[GDC]_Polemarcus 06-29-2004 12:53 AM

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Well, at least war is being used as a last resort.[/quote:c2bb0]


As it should be. War is a terrible thing. But dont get me wrong, N.Korea isnt exactly the most cooperative group. The inspectors didnt last long, they got kicked out.


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