[quote="Duke_of_Ray":e7fd7]
Religion has caused war, but don't get Christianity mixed up in that. Read the Bible. The Romans, and others used Christianity for many purposes, few of them helping people.[/quote:e7fd7]

Christianity is a religion, in fact the second most popular religion on the planet.

I have read the bible.

Did you know that Vlad the Impailer was enforcing Gods will in the mid 1400's? A man heavilly devoted to god and would later be named a saint by the people of his homeland of Romainia.

You may not know who Vlad is so here is a bit about the guy:

[quote:e7fd7]Vladislav Basarab was born in the town of Sighisoara, in the Tîrnava Mare valley, Transylvania, in 1431, the son of a Wallachian prince hungering for the throne, currently stationed as governor of this border town. He was trained in etiquette and command, exposed to the elements on stormy days to build his physical and moral character, taught to be a warrior. There were puppet theatres and acrobats, ball-games and quadrilateral swings of red cloth, the hunting of eagles with slingshots, and there was always his curiosity in watching the condemned walk under his window to the Jewellers' Donjon to be hanged. His father was nicknamed Vlad Dracul, and thus he inherited the title Dracula, Son of the Dragon, but during his life he earned his own title -- Vlad Tepes, Vlad the Impaler. [/quote:e7fd7]

Vlad developed many nicknames, most notably "Dracula", but also "the Impailer." The impailer comes from his method of delivering gods will to the infidels whom saught to take his country.

He would impail his captured enemies army with tall stakes. The wooden stakes would be inserted into a victoms leg, ass, or abdomen and pushed through the body until it came out the top. This stake was then erected along the roadsides to warn enemy armies of thier possible fate. It often took several days to die.

My only point being that the number of people tortured and killed by indivduals seeking to perform "Gods Will" is great, despite which branch of Christ faith it may fall under.

Your right Zen, though I say it ver lightly when I call Christianity a religion. People have killed in the name of Christ, but what I am saying is this goes against His teachings. They were not truly preforming the will of God.

going back to the bible.

It says that after the world was created and plants, humans and animals were created all in 7 days (animals and humans on the last day i believe) Scientific EVIDENCE has found creatures (Dinosours etc) to have been alive before humans. Acording to these scientists Humans evolved after dinosours.

also scientists have scientific EVIDENCE of our ansesors (a monkey type animal).

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":50979]No-one knows what happened, so let's all just stfu and watch TV. spank:[/quote:50979]

I will admit, I do not understand, and do not pretend to understand everything in the Bible. Maybe days were measured different long ago, who knows. Maybe science is wrong, you know that is possible. As for the scientific evidence that The Duke came from a monkey, they could not give me all the money in the world to believe that.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":73ba7]I will admit, I do not understand, and do not pretend to understand everything in the Bible. Maybe days were measured different long ago, who knows. Maybe science is wrong, you know that is possible. As for the scientific evidence that The Duke came from a monkey, they could not give me all the money in the world to believe that.[/quote:73ba7]

7 days is obviously symbolic, just like everything else in the bible. When they say god created Earth is 7 days they aren't talking about a week. There is no mention of time. Therefor 7 days could = 12 billion years.

Anyone who takes the bible literally has a serious mental problem. Both christians and athiests do it. annoy:

[quote=Akuma]7 days is obviously symbolic, just like everything else in the bible. When they say god created Earth is 7 days they aren't talking about a week. There is no mention of time. Therefor 7 days could = 12 billion years.

Anyone who takes the bible literally has a serious mental problem. Both christians and athiests do it. annoy:[/quote:faab5]

I take it very literally. DO I have mental problems? Probably yes, but not because of that.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":ca355][quote=Akuma]7 days is obviously symbolic, just like everything else in the bible. When they say god created Earth is 7 days they aren't talking about a week. There is no mention of time. Therefor 7 days could = 12 billion years.

Anyone who takes the bible literally has a serious mental problem. Both christians and athiests do it. annoy:[/quote:ca355]

I take it very literally. DO I have mental problems? Probably yes, but not because of that.[/quote:ca355]

Well then you've defeated the purpose of the bible and you'll live your life following a broken religion with false ideals. sleeping:

[quote=Akuma][quote="Duke_of_Ray":70dcc]I take it very literally. DO I have mental problems? Probably yes, but not because of that.[/quote:70dcc]

Well then you've defeated the purpose of the bible and you'll live your life following a broken religion with false ideals. sleeping:[/quote:70dcc]

I defeated the purpose of the Bible? The Bible is God's word, like a map for life. No I have not defeated the purpose of the Bible, infact I do not follow it enough. As for me following a religion that is broken and full of false ideas, I believe you are wrong. I follow a God who came to save us, not a bunch of rituals and regulations that if I do not abide by, or preform I will die and go to hell. I follow a God of love, one that sent his Son to die for us. Now you can believe what you want, I feel that you are very wrong, but to say I follow a broken religion is a load of crap that you have no bases for.

A bunch of currupt scribes' interpretation of God's word. That's not saying much once you think about it. There are many ways to interpret the bible.

I don't have a problem with Christianity. But people who blindly live their lives by a bunch of ancient symbolic stories and taking them as fact, I do have a problem with. I'm not going to try to change your ways, it obvious that you are too stubborn to accept reality.

One question though. Where does it says that God DIDN'T make all the world THROUGH evolution?

I never God did not make the world through evolution. I do believe there is some forms of "evolution". Though it does not say God made a creature which turned into man. I do not blindly live my life. I am a very skeptical person, so when I blieve something, I truly believe it. I do not follow these stories becuase I am afraid of going to hell, but because of the truth I feel is behind them. Also they are not symbolic, but lessons, and in my opinion ture ones at that. They are also a history of what hass happend. I have accepted reality, it is just some people are afraid to accept the truth.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":ac172]I never God did not make the world through evolution. I do believe there is some forms of "evolution". Though it does not say God made a creature which turned into man. I do not blindly live my life. I am a very skeptical person, so when I blieve something, I truly believe it. I do not follow these stories becuase I am afraid of going to hell, but because of the truth I feel is behind them. Also they are not symbolic, but lessons, and in my opinion ture ones at that. They are also a history of what hass happend. I have accepted reality, it is just some people are afraid to accept the truth.[/quote:ac172]

Why would other animals evolve but not humans?

I don't want to push the bible story stuff any further. We both have out seperate views.

[quote=Akuma]Why would other animals evolve but not humans?

I don't want to push the bible story stuff any further. We both have out seperate views.[/quote:015eb]

Don't know, ask God. Your right, lets just agree to disagree.

Can I get a lock????

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I found that ironic. No offence, I love you Akuma.

Duke, If you are done with the thread just stop posting in it, it doesn't have to be locked to signify your final words on the matter. And if it makes you feel better Duke, fact is there is no 100% proof that you evolved from a monkey... chances are pretty good, but no solid proof.

Heh, sorry thought Akuma and I were the only ones still screaming. By all means carry on. :)

One small difference. I accept the stories for what they are: symbols and alligories.

Obviously they aren't made to taken literally.

The bible isn't meant to be taken literally. They are stories to explain life, and the way to live out your life.

If you believe that Adam and Eve actually existed, and I know MANY people do including my grandmother (she takes the entire bible literally, and is stubborn about it), then you = oOo: in my mind. Same goes for all the other stories, parables and fables in the bible.

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Exactly what I said.

Yah, I know. I meant to put: "I'm going to reiterate everything Akuma said" at the top of my post. happy:

ok my opinion on this whole fuck up stuff is that the big bang theory is true..gases that creat stars in space mixed and created out little univers..they say that every star in the sky is a univer and the star is the sun for theres. now about the bible i think they wrote it in the time of need when everyone was depressed and humanity was sliping so they wrote it to give the people something to believe in and live up to..like expectations and such..after that people were living more "humble" lives

The bible was made by humans - humans tend to overexaderate.

My views on religon:

I believe in God, and Jesus both. I dont go to church, i dont pray, i dont read the bible. I just know that there is something out there that's responsible for the creation of the earth, and i'm just going to try and live the best live i can, that's all.

And what I meant to put was, "I agree." beer: