Originally Posted by Trunks

thats just a pity... I feel bad for the old man...
BTW, I dont know whether some of u are being serious about hitting a kid, but threatening/abusing a kid is definetly not the right way to set him straight. IMO, its more of the parents fault that the kids, because kids feel so distanced from their parents. This is what I noticed when I was a kid. Sure kids talk back, etc, but all kids do it, its natural for a kid, as he or she is on his way to adulthood, to develop their own views and feelings about different things, and the attitude of a lot of people, even on these very forums, is a big reason y kids are lead to talk back, misbehave, etc Simply put, a kids views are not accepted. ive been on these forums long enuf to know that if some 13 year old starts talking about politics, he will probably get flamed somewhat like this "Youre to young to have ur own opinion u whiny bitch and ur too young to vote so go home and complain to your parents." A lot of parents really dont know how to be good parents, they get excited to have kids etc, promise themselves thell be good parents, but when the time comes they end up failing to understand them, which leads to problems.

Originally Posted by Himmler

i'm sorry but i have to disagree with most of what you just said. im now 18, and i havent gotten spanked or hit in years by my parents. but back when i was 12 and younger, i did. and ill tell you it is alot more effective to do that then just yell at your kids. grouding them is another effective way, but spanking is the best. i never talked back to my parents and pretty much always listened to them because if i didnt i get smacked. talking is usually not effective at all imo