tkers annoy:

[quote="Jin-Roh":d839a]tkers annoy:[/quote:d839a]

ROFL, +1*

*Not to undermind the severity of the situation, just struck me funny

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you are a freakin nutcase, if someone teases you it gives you the right to kill them??????


well your ugly and you mother dresses you funny!!!


there now you have the right to kill me[/quote:1417f]

being teased by someone who doesnt have access to pistols / automatic weapons / etc is one thing, i guess...

... his religious beliefs aside ( im pretty sure as americans we are free to pratice however we like ), i believe that he had the right to defend himself against threats ... im imagining that those killed probably gave him a pretty hard time about his beliefs.

i dont think its right to kill anyone or anything ( im pretty sure you do, however ), so im not defending the killings. im just saying that its funny as shit to see all you gung-ho fuckers rush to judge about him knowing little about what he went thru and simply because it was soldiers killed.

OMG HE GOT WE HE DESERVED , KILL HIM NOW, etc.



[quote="Zap. USMC":1417f]He should of handled it differently.[/quote:1417f]


"Akbar's father, John Akbar, has said his son complained in vain to his superiors about religious and racial harassment before the attack. The defense never introduced any witnesses to testify about any such harassment."

kind of like that ? ^

As soon as the military places a loaded weapon in the hand of someone other than a white, Christian male, something fucked up is bound to occur.
Wonderful world we live in..

[quote=Judas]being teased by someone who doesnt have access to pistols / automatic weapons / etc is one thing, i guess...

... his religious beliefs aside ( im pretty sure as americans we are free to pratice however we like ), i believe that he had the right to defend himself against threats ... im imagining that those killed probably gave him a pretty hard time about his beliefs.

i dont think its right to kill anyone or anything ( im pretty sure you do, however ), so im not defending the killings. im just saying that its funny as shit to see all you gung-ho fuckers rush to judge about him knowing little about what he went thru and simply because it was soldiers killed.

OMG HE GOT WE HE DESERVED , KILL HIM NOW, etc.[/quote:684a3]
beer:

Oh god. Save your insight for the 30 inch burrito thread pls.

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I didn't say that we shouldn't supply weapons to soldiers who aren't white, did I? It's pretty obvious that America, no matter how diverse, will always come out being racist.

Just take a moment to read over that post, and tell me how it sounds.

I cannot speak for the others who have replied, but I'm a vet, Zaps current...and I think Col a vet too... so those guys may agree with me.

He deserves to die, here is why:

Regardless of any political, religious, or mental issues he may have, the man is a Soldier...not just a grunt, he is a Non-Commissioned Officer, a leader and suppervisor of soldiers in a combat zone.

He decided that the lives of his fellow soldiers were worth less than his own. He decided that instead of taking personal action in the form of "Non-Combatant" status, simple refusal to go into combat, or Religious convictions in the form of communications and harbor of the chaplin. (You can go into the Chaplin's office/tent and sit down and refude to fight. Perfectly legal and you will not be asked to reconsider... it's called a Concensious Objector sp?)

This man chose to toss GRENADES into the tents of his own men and stand outside with his rifle and shoot OFFICERS!

I have no remorse for the bastard. I firmly belive any mental conditions he may be suffering from are either bullshit or caused by guilt.
I also seriously doubt his men gave him any form of shit about his religion, this is not a movie. Real soldiers do not show that kind of disrespect.

It is difficult to try to explain how wrong this is to guys who have never served, I hope that I have at least shed some light on how the vets that saw this happen felt, and why we feel that the guy should die.

Incinuating the fact that the world we live in is not a good one when a situation such as the one I just named occurs.


Christ's sakes.. annoy:

wtf.

I had obviously misinterpreted your post, as im sure everyone here would have if you hadn't cleared it up so legibly. eek:

STFU whatada

i read somewhere that this dude wasnt really fit to go to battle , but what he did was cowardly and he gets what he deserves. to bad there isnt a firing squad anymore annoy:

[img]http://www.7mac.com/LibRadio/images/Iraqi_Prisoner_Abuse.jpg[/img]

Short did you notice what happened to the scum you pointed to. They are currently [url=http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20050430/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_england:e0fa6]cooling their heels[/url:e0fa6] in a jail. What they did to those prisoners was and is illegal and they are being punished.

very well said, TiberiusAD +1

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[img]http://www.7mac.com/LibRadio/images/Iraqi_Prisoner_Abuse.jpg[/img][/quote:d32ee]

rofl beer:

word. +1

and regarding the abuses at that prision. Well, they weren't real soldiers, I mean, it was said they had little training in what they were doing (guarding prisioners), and even that it is not clear if they weren't following direct orders.

Psychos are everywhere, civilians and military alike. Proper training and screening can eliminate some of them, but there is always somebody who will sneak the process and cause harm. This was one of the cases, and unfortunately there were victims. Fortunately the law (and correct application of) prevailed and the guy will be executed. Let's see what the appeals court say about.

Whatada, just shut the fuck up, ok you retard? Re-read what you posted with your head out of your ass and then tell me how that nugget of knowledge you had isnt the most ignorant bullshit ever.

Short, what is the purpose of posting that pic? These are two seperate incidents, and although you seem to feel that you made some sort of point by posting that pic while highlighting Robs specific quote, the subject at hand and the Abu Gahraib scandal are completely unrelated. He said 'real soldiers dont show that kind of disrespect.' As in, we already know that those prison guards are pieces of shit and thus arent considered real soldiers. Where is the correlation?

This guy deserves the firing squad/noose because hes a traitor, plain and simple. During war, there is a more severe dependancy for you to stick to your duty and proffesionalism when you are on the battlefield. If he wasnt able to keep himself out of it, then he has to suck it up or do his time in jail. You are supposed to count on your friends and brothers in war above everyone else, especially when you feel like you are in an unjust war. You think those other soldiers wanted to be there? Anyone here think they would rather sit in the sand than to be home? He could have refused to go out on patrol and take the consequences like a man. Instead, he opted out like a coward and killed his brothers who were in the same situation as he was.

you beat me to it

I'm gonna go with everyone on this one, Whatada...shut the fuck up

Short,

Yeah, you totally missed what I was saying there. Let me re-cap:

Judas said: "im imagining that those killed probably gave him a pretty hard time about his beliefs."

I have never...never seen one soldier insult another based on a religious preference. It is both a hightened sence of respect for each other, and a respect for personal freedom.

So I said: "Real soldiers do not show that kind of disrespect."

This is all in relation to our subject, the Sgt who took other soldiers lives so he would not have to go into battle.

Your pic, is a entirly different situation. In fact, my opinion on that matter is simply: SOMEONE told them to do this. There was an order SOMEWHERE that was given to the guards at the prison.
I think it was a humiliation tactic by CIA/Interigation officers to attempt to force the captives to talk. Humiliation is a HUGE pressure point in their culture.
I seriously doubt that the soldiers took it upon themselves to arrange such elaborate pictures, and abuses.

Summed up right there ladies and gentlemen. I totally agree.

I am not trying to justify his actions zen, only show you that soldiers aren't these perfect machines. We have no clue what went on with this guy, and to tell you the truth, in order for him to do what he did..... something very FUCKED up must have been happenning, All I know is, I would tell my commander to shove it if he told me to do such things.

[quote="Short Hand":04681]...only show you that soldiers aren't these perfect machines....[/quote:04681]

I never meant to insinuate any such notion, only to point out that I personally, as a soldier have never witnessed any kind of disrespect stemming from religion.

[quote="Short Hand":1ee1a]I am not trying to justify his actions zen, only show you that soldiers aren't these perfect machines. We have no clue what went on with this guy, and to tell you the truth, in order for him to do what he did..... something very FUCKED up must have been happenning, All I know is, I would tell my commander to shove it if he told me to do such things.[/quote:1ee1a]

Nah, you just didn't think before you posted that totally irrelevant pic - Just trying to stir up controversy as usual, too bad everyone here already knows the drill so all you stir up is more dislike for your behaviour and yourself in general.
Zen never even elluded to the fact that soldiers were perfect machines. You pulled that out of your ass as an excuse for your ignorant mistake. To me, this character seems like a fanatic, just a typical islamic extremist. They're all over places like Palestine and Iraq, so whats so hard about believeing one would be in the U.S? He said himself he wouldn't stop until the U.S was destroyed or something along those lines....That should sum it up right there.

Fact is, this guy is obviously not a typical soldier, and typical soldiers obviously wouldn't act like that. Otherwise, you would see it way more often within the armed services....You don't have to be a psychology major to see the clear signs.

Nope. I was trying to state a point. I wouldn't try and start stupid shit with zen since I actaully have respect for him. "The Whole Soldier Thing" is a way for me to illustrate in some way or another the faults which would have eventaully contributed to this event. my nick name is Short Hand, not Pyro kiwi. Keep your lectures in your pants. kekeke rolleyes:

[quote="Short Hand":7fc86]Nope. I was trying to state a point. I wouldn't try and start stupid shit with zen since I actaully have respect for him. "The Whole Soldier Thing" is a way for me to illustrate in some way or another the faults which would have eventaully contributed to this event. my nick name is Short Hand, not Pyro kiwi. Keep your lectures in your pants. kekeke rolleyes:[/quote:7fc86]

What point were you trying to state? It's just childish immaturity.

I don't believe you - I think you're full of shit. You didn't even attempt a rebuttle to the second half of my post, either....

I do not think an al mighty Islamic extremist would take any such part in the US military. NOt to mention show remorse such as this.

[quote:6ffb4]"I want to apologize for the attack that occurred. I felt that my life was in jeopardy, and I had no other options. I also want to ask you for forgiveness," Akbar told the jury before it deliberated in the sentencing phase.[/quote:6ffb4]

Also note he felt his fellow muslims were in danger (Kind of a weird thought to have if you in the military in the first place..)

[quote:6ffb4]Prosecutors say Akbar launched the attack at his camp -- days before the soldiers were to move into Iraq -- because he was concerned about U.S. troops killing fellow Muslims in the Iraq war.[/quote:6ffb4]

Which in turn prooves his mental capacity, maybe not insane, but he was suffering from it. His paranoid state in a way drove him to these attacks, which were in vain and on the wrong targets from that start. ( I am not justifying his actions, only trying to explain them).

[quote:6ffb4]A defense psychiatrist testified that although Akbar was legally sane and understood the consequences of his attack, he suffered from forms of paranoia and schizophrenia.[/quote:6ffb4]

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[quote:6ffb4]A defense psychiatrist testified that although Akbar was legally sane and understood the consequences of his attack, he suffered from forms of paranoia and schizophrenia.[/quote:6ffb4]

Now note that if he is indeed suffering from these 2 disability's, then the harrassment he was enduring only made it worse, and painted a target on the people which were doing it. So in a way you can see this taunting turning him to beleive his fellow soldiers were the threat. The truth is they were not.... BUT in his really messed up head, they seemed to be the most direct threat. Do you understand ? Is that enough to explain it all out...

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Short, when you were a baby did they drop you on your head?

It is an easy connection to make. Ill put in a more simple form.

Paranoid + schizo + harrassment + fundamentalist(not militant) + possibility of having to kill a fellow muslim = Dead GI's.

Image that, the people who were actually involved with the case came to a different conclusion than Short did. I don't know, maybe they had facts to work with.

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Remember the movie Paths Of Glory ?

I do agree he should be killed, but I also think that other information would be withheld from the public. We don't know the exact circumstances and details as most wouldn't be released. He COULD have been suffering from racism, as racism is all around, many of these racist people could EASILY join a military force.

Yes if racism was the case he could have taken it to his CO etc and i'm 100% certain that the issue would have been resolved. But he COULD have been an extremist. We don't have the exact details and will probably never have them!

His actions WERE wrong as would have killed more than just the involved people (if racism was the reason) and I agree death is the answer but we just dont know the details.

Harrassment? Where does it say he was harrassed? Why did you add that to the equation....?

His father claimed he was taking a lot.

[quote="Short Hand":caf43]His father claimed he was taking a lot.[/quote:caf43]

Regardless of what his "father claimed," that's no way to deal with harrassment. That guy made a choice to fucking kill some human beings, probably innocent ones, he chose to do it in the name of religion, and in a fanatical fashion resembling islamic fundamentalism, while their army is at war with those very characters - What the hell was he thinking they'd do? Pat him on the back and send him happily on his way?

I think not.

I did not say he was justified in killing them, I am only trying explain how the sentencing was unfair. Radicals do not apologize for their actions.

So Short, your saying you wouldn't mind if he lived in a halfway house on your block?

[quote="Short Hand":0dedf]I did not say he was justified in killing them, I am only trying explain how the sentencing was unfair. Radicals do not apologize for their actions.[/quote:0dedf]


....and they don't give up either, you think the prison system actually works for rehabilitation? If he was put in prison, he'd just come out at the end and probably try the same shit.

Now I could be mistaken for thinking this was a debate over the death penalty....?

Accepting the fact that there is a death sentence in existence, why should this guy be let off the hook and other people who commit similar crimes be sentenced to death....? What makes this crime any different...?