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Nyck 07-02-2005 03:50 PM

Just got back..it was definantly a Intense movie that grabbed my senses and punched then in the face.

The part where the guy was so desperate he was ripping apart the glass windshield with his hands was ed:

I liked it and the effects it portrayed...I found myself thinking many times...This could actually happen.

ps... spoiler alert!!









The traffic cop directing people away from the lightning strike hole in the intersection in NYC was Sgt. Dominic Pilla the 1st american casualty from Black Hawk Down.(sorry I like pointing out what movies Ive seen other less known guys in)

Poseidon 07-02-2005 07:43 PM

I've just got back from watching it, It was an Excellent film and loved the way it followed the family around rather than focus on the war itself.

Vance 07-02-2005 10:50 PM

Lets not try and nitpick every little detail. I just saw it, it was extremely good. The sights and sounds make you feel like you're there - I was freakin' scared. Very well done.

EDIT: Coleman, if you can't figure out why there was no music in the first 15-20 minutes, I don't think you deserve to be associated with music at all.

Coleman 07-03-2005 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vance
EDIT: Coleman, if you can't figure out why there was no music in the first 15-20 minutes, I don't think you deserve to be associated with music at all.

Every great movie has a great soundtrack to go along with it. This was the first time that I heard a John Williams' score and felt that it was insufficient.

I could pick out many points in the first half hour of the movie where I would insert some music selections. Music doesn't have to overpower the acting. That's not the purpose of music. Music is to give another edge, another flare of excitement, suspense, what have you.

It seems to me, Vance, that you think music is supposed 'to sound good to the ear' and all of that. People think of music as being all consonance. dissonance is what makes music interesting. When you hear some 4-3 suspensions (creates dissonance and eventually gives a great resolution feel once it's resolves to the 3rd scale degree). Things like this aren't worth arguing since you don't know what I'm saying. I'm not calling you ignorant or anything; I'm just saying there is no purpose in making a long drawn-out arguement to an uninformed person.

Bucknub 07-03-2005 12:10 AM

Just saw it, I thoroughly enjoyed it, I was literally on the edge of my seat for a few scenes, damn good movie, sound was impressive, felt like I was there.

Jimbo@ 07-03-2005 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
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Originally Posted by Vance
EDIT: Coleman, if you can't figure out why there was no music in the first 15-20 minutes, I don't think you deserve to be associated with music at all.

Every great movie has a great soundtrack to go along with it. This was the first time that I heard a John Williams' score and felt that it was insufficient.

I could pick out many points in the first half hour of the movie where I would insert some music selections. Music doesn't have to overpower the acting. That's not the purpose of music. Music is to give another edge, another flare of excitement, suspense, what have you.

It seems to me, Vance, that you think music is supposed 'to sound good to the ear' and all of that. People think of music as being all consonance. dissonance is what makes music interesting. When you hear some 4-3 suspensions (creates dissonance and eventually gives a great resolution feel once it's resolves to the 3rd scale degree). Things like this aren't worth arguing since you don't know what I'm saying. I'm not calling you ignorant or anything; I'm just saying there is no purpose in making a long drawn-out arguement to an uninformed person.

If you're gonna judge a movie just because of it's music...well then thats just lame.

Coleman 07-03-2005 12:28 AM

[quote="Jimbo@":2f91f]
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Originally Posted by Coleman
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Originally Posted by Vance
EDIT: Coleman, if you can't figure out why there was no music in the first 15-20 minutes, I don't think you deserve to be associated with music at all.

Every great movie has a great soundtrack to go along with it. This was the first time that I heard a John Williams' score and felt that it was insufficient.

I could pick out many points in the first half hour of the movie where I would insert some music selections. Music doesn't have to overpower the acting. That's not the purpose of music. Music is to give another edge, another flare of excitement, suspense, what have you.

It seems to me, Vance, that you think music is supposed 'to sound good to the ear' and all of that. People think of music as being all consonance. dissonance is what makes music interesting. When you hear some 4-3 suspensions (creates dissonance and eventually gives a great resolution feel once it's resolves to the 3rd scale degree). Things like this aren't worth arguing since you don't know what I'm saying. I'm not calling you ignorant or anything; I'm just saying there is no purpose in making a long drawn-out arguement to an uninformed person.

If you're gonna judge a movie just because of it's music...well then thats just lame.[/quote:2f91f]I never said the movie sucked because the music sucked. THe music was just one of the reasons why I thought War of the Worlds shouldn't be built up the way the media has been playing it to be. The unanswered questions, lack of key camera angle shots, non effective music, and unrealistic character abilites (getting out of every dangerous situation. Almost like "Dante's Peak" with Pierce Brosnan sp?) prevented the movie from standing out from any other movie on my list.

CoMaToSe 07-03-2005 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
This was the first time that I heard a John Williams' score and felt that it was insufficient.

Errm... Jurassic Park 3?

Vance 07-03-2005 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
Music doesn't have to overpower the acting. That's not the purpose of music. Music is to give another edge, another flare of excitement, suspense, what have you.

This is exactly why there is no music through the opening of the movie.

I love soundtracks, I have a whole bunch of them, often they are the only kind of music I buy (Anything else I'll just download) and for me not to hear any music during the first part was an excellent choice, in my opinion.





*MAYBE SOME SPOLIERS*





I am talking mainly about the scene in which they discover the aliens underground, and the tripod comes out, and it creates a small earthquake in the process, and you see cars flying and people watch this thing that they've never in their wildest dreams have seen, fold out into this odd-looking tripod thing making weird noises and such. There is no music here because the director wants you to hear all of those sounds, and the buildings shattering, and the people screaming. He wants you to feel like you're actually there, watching with those people, wondering what it is. There is absolutely NO music until the Heat-Ray begins to fire on people and people start running and dying, and then the panicky frightening music kicks in.

This is almost the same thing with Saving Private Ryan, there is no music during the first 30 minutes of Omaha Beach , because it would ruin the realism and terrifying nature of the scene entirely. And there is hardly and music to that, either. But did it take away from it being a great movie? No, it enhanced it.

This is my opinion.

Vance 07-03-2005 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
The unanswered questions

Oh, please...

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Originally Posted by Coleman
lack of key camera angle shots

Huh?

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Originally Posted by Coleman
non effective music

ok....

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Originally Posted by Coleman
and unrealistic character abilites (getting out of every dangerous situation.

I hate to break it to you, but that's the meaning of SUSPENSE.

Coleman 07-03-2005 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Vance
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Originally Posted by Coleman
The unanswered questions

Oh, please...
oh please what?

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Originally Posted by Coleman
lack of key camera angle shots

Huh? When robert ran up on the hill, I would have loved to see a shot of the tripods being shot at. All you get to see is the military shooting. Don't give me crap about, 'oh that's so you can get a feel of what the humans were feeling.' I wanted to see a barrage of bombs and bullets hitting those tripods.

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Originally Posted by Coleman
non effective music

ok.... ok

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Originally Posted by Coleman
and unrealistic character abilites (getting out of every dangerous situation.

I hate to break it to you, but that's the meaning of SUSPENSE.

no, i'm sorry. That's not the meaning of suspense. HOW THE FUCK DOES ROBERT SURVIVE THAT EXPLOSION ON THE TOP OF THE HILL?!?!?! The fucking hum-v came back flaming. How the hell does Cruise and his daughter get to Boston after the fucking son? I guess the son took a jetpack or something and beat them there.

CoMaToSe 07-03-2005 11:12 AM

no fuckin spoilers with warning tags, duffes

Coleman 07-03-2005 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vance
I am talking mainly about the scene in which they discover the aliens underground, and the tripod comes out, and it creates a small earthquake in the process, and you see cars flying and people watch this thing that they've never in their wildest dreams have seen, fold out into this odd-looking tripod thing making weird noises and such. There is no music here because the director wants you to hear all of those sounds, and the buildings shattering, and the people screaming. He wants you to feel like you're actually there, watching with those people, wondering what it is. There is absolutely NO music until the Heat-Ray begins to fire on people and people start running and dying, and then the panicky frightening music kicks in.

This is almost the same thing with Saving Private Ryan, there is no music during the first 30 minutes of Omaha Beach , because it would ruin the realism and terrifying nature of the scene entirely. And there is hardly and music to that, either. But did it take away from it being a great movie? No, it enhanced it.

This is my opinion.

Obviously they won't put music on the omaha beach landing. I didn't even notice any music when the lasers cut in. To be totally honest, the first time I heard music was when they discovered the jetplane crashed into the house. That was the first time that I heard anything. Hell, I could have invisioned like a freakin radio song playing while cruise was driving around in his car (that's too picky, but i'm just giving it as an example. It wouldn't really 'enhance' the scene any since he's just driving around.).

As the storm was forming, I could envision some major minor seventh chords being played, or even some thirteenth chords to draw some suspense to it.

Nyck 07-03-2005 11:50 AM

there was music?

Vance 07-03-2005 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
I didn't even notice any music when the lasers cut in.

It's not my fault that you didn't pay attention.


Look, at the end of the day, it's a damn movie. I would hate to go to a movie with someone like you, who nitpicks every little thing down to the detail. You're sounding like a woman. rolleyes: Just enjoy it for what it's worth.

Blase 07-03-2005 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vance
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coleman
I didn't even notice any music when the lasers cut in.

It's not my fault that you didn't pay attention.


Look, at the end of the day, it's a damn movie. I would hate to go to a movie with someone like you, who nitpicks every little thing down to the detail. You're sounding like a woman. rolleyes: Just enjoy it for what it's worth.

You gay, He's just critizing it AFTER he had seen the movie. I hardly doubt he was sitting in the theaters going, "OH MY FUCKING GOD WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MUSIC THIS MOVIE SUCKS I WANT MY MONEY BACK".

This is a thread to discuss/criticize the movie, and he's simply saying what he would have thought would have made it better. He's not saying that more music would have been the universially accepted opinion on how to make this movie more kick ass. So stop being a little dick about it and accept that mabye he thought it needed music, and you didn't. Big fucking deal.

Vance 07-03-2005 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Blase
You gay, He's just critizing it AFTER he had seen the movie. I hardly doubt he was sitting in the theaters going, "OH MY FUCKING GOD WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MUSIC THIS MOVIE SUCKS I WANT MY MONEY BACK."

I beg to differ.

Coleman 07-03-2005 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Blase
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Originally Posted by Vance
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Originally Posted by Coleman
I didn't even notice any music when the lasers cut in.

It's not my fault that you didn't pay attention.


Look, at the end of the day, it's a damn movie. I would hate to go to a movie with someone like you, who nitpicks every little thing down to the detail. You're sounding like a woman. rolleyes: Just enjoy it for what it's worth.

You gay, He's just critizing it AFTER he had seen the movie. I hardly doubt he was sitting in the theaters going, "OH MY FUCKING GOD WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MUSIC THIS MOVIE SUCKS I WANT MY MONEY BACK".

This is a thread to discuss/criticize the movie, and he's simply saying what he would have thought would have made it better. He's not saying that more music would have been the universially accepted opinion on how to make this movie more kick ass. So stop being a little dick about it and accept that mabye he thought it needed music, and you didn't. Big fucking deal.

blase said it pretty much. Thanks for saving me a minute in typing time. beer:

Vance, you need to get passed the fact that the soundtrack was just 1 small reason why i didn't find the movie 'great' like the critics built it up to be. I didn't feel like i wasted an hour and half of my life away; it's just that I wouldn't go back to see it again.

Vance 07-03-2005 04:30 PM

[quote:1bbbf]Vance, you need to get passed the fact that the soundtrack was just 1 small reason why i didn't find the movie 'great' like the critics built it up to be.[/quote:1bbbf]
I did, that's why I said

[quote:1bbbf]Look, at the end of the day, it's a damn movie. I would hate to go to a movie with someone like you, who nitpicks every little thing down to the detail.[/quote:1bbbf]

Let's just end it.

Coleman 07-03-2005 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vance
[quote:5e202]Vance, you need to get passed the fact that the soundtrack was just 1 small reason why i didn't find the movie 'great' like the critics built it up to be.

I did, that's why I said
[/quote:5e202]obviously you didn't b/c you keep bringing up the how I didn't like the music. Yeah, it was bad, but not the main reason for my overall thoughts.

Vance 07-03-2005 04:42 PM

Obviously I did, I quoted your thoughts about the music and then I added short one-liners to your other complaints because I didn't want to type a paper.

Coleman 07-03-2005 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vance
Obviously I did, I quoted your thoughts about the music and then I added short one-liners to your other complaints because I didn't want to type a paper.

dude, I'm saying that the music aspect isn't a big deal. you keep trying to make it sound like that was the sole reason that I didn't like the movie.

i'm done arguing about something so pointless to someone so ignorant (yeah, your status from uninformed rose to ignorant). I'm sure everyone else doesn't appreciate our bickering back and forth.

Tripper 07-03-2005 06:17 PM

*SPOILERS THROUGHOUT THIS POST*


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Originally Posted by Coleman
How the hell does Cruise and his daughter get to Boston after the fucking son? I guess the son took a jetpack or something and beat them there.

You forget the amount of time that is spent in the house basement, with Tim Robbins' character.
Now we assume that after the explosion, Robert dies. But because we know he doesn't, the assumption now is that he survives and leaves straight away with the crowds escpaing the onslaught. (Granted, most don't survive - But obviously at the end, we are assuming that he is part of the small number that does)....

Meanwhile, Cruise and his duaghter are holding up in the basement. Now from the time that Robert escapes (after the Humvee explosion) to the point where Cruise & daughter first leave the basement, and we see the red grass for the first time, and then add to that the time spent in the cage with the other survivors that the tripod has picked up for harvesting, and I think you could say that Robert had a pretty decent headstart towards Boston.

beer:

Vance 07-03-2005 10:07 PM

I don't like talking to walls, so I'm finished.

Jimbo@ 07-03-2005 10:24 PM

The problem is people do not have a bit of imagination. They've been spoiled. Always demanding answers for every small bit in the movie like its some kind of documentary for Chemist Students in a University. Its not. Its a freaking movie, and a suspense in that. Its not exactly star trek is it? Try putting all these details into 2 and half hours. That would have diverted the movie from the storyline and the concept of what Speilberg was trying to portray.

By the way heres the signalling sound:
http://www.jinn.myby.co.uk/wbpgs/tripodcall.mp3

eeves 07-03-2005 11:30 PM

spoiler****













i kinda agree with coleman about the happy ending bs....how in the living crap did robert survive.........the only reasonable way that i think would be that he was capture by the tripods but somehow escape........ oOo:






k you can look now



about the music i didnt even noticed it...anyways it was a great movie... rock:

Tripper 07-04-2005 12:13 AM

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spoiler****













*removed for spoiling reasons*






k you can look now



about the music i didnt even noticed it...anyways it was a great movie... rock:

Read the book.

Jin-Roh 07-04-2005 12:30 AM

I am going to spend four years in college studying War Of The Worlds

Zap. USMC 07-04-2005 03:01 AM

Never read the book, I thought the movie was good but there is allot of unanswered questions that were already mentioned a few pages back... does anyone know ?? lol

Those army cats at the very end were 10th mountain, all real-life soldiers/Marines that played in the movie.. oh by the way, it was Marines at the hill, not army .. hah just HAD to point that out.

CoMaToSe 07-04-2005 04:26 AM

marines>army biggrin:

Tystnad 07-04-2005 04:31 AM

Airforce > *

CoMaToSe 07-04-2005 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tystnad
Airforce > *

MArines>Airforce

Vance 07-04-2005 10:28 AM

[quote="Zap. USMC":81dad]oh by the way, it was Marines at the hill, not army .. hah just HAD to point that out.[/quote:81dad]
No wonder they got smashed biggrin:


Just playin'. freak: How is the intel thing coming along Zap? Good?

Vance 07-04-2005 10:43 AM

[quote="Jimbo@":24c46]By the way heres the signalling sound:
[url="http://www.jinn.myby.co.uk/wbpgs/tripodcall.mp3"]http://www.jinn.myby.co.uk/wbpgs/tripodcall.mp3[/url][/quote:24c46]
That's awesome, I loved the sounds in that movie.

Airborne Butters 07-04-2005 11:40 AM

did anyone notice how in the start all the electrical shit got fried? How come after the first tri-pod stands up, the guy is filming it on that camcorder?

Jimmy Paterson 07-04-2005 11:41 AM

it looks good, Ill wait till I see it to judge it tho.....but I thought it was based off the movie more than teh book? mEh

Bucknub 07-04-2005 02:41 PM

[quote="Airborne Butters":377bf]did anyone notice how in the start all the electrical shit got fried? How come after the first tri-pod stands up, the guy is filming it on that camcorder?[/quote:377bf]

lol good point

Tripper 07-04-2005 03:37 PM

[quote="Jin-Roh":ad470]I am going to spend four years in college studying War Of The Worlds[/quote:ad470]

Reading it once would help. It's a good read, even if you don't read often (Like me), and it's relatively short. Not a huge book.

lasagna 07-04-2005 10:05 PM

Saw this yesterday and i loved it. Awesome movie. Scary. Suspenseful. Action-Packed. Great Acting(the little girl, and i thought Cruise did a good job aswell). This movie was so exciting and scary, i loved every minute, and i know a sequel would ruin it, it just want more. It left me begging. The sounds were also insane, this movie would never be the same on a normal tv, the surround sound does wonders with this movie, and i didnt even notcie the whole music thing. eek: All around excellent movie, 8.5/10. One of my new favs.

Miscguy 07-04-2005 10:40 PM

I think the biggest oddity of the whole movie is the fact that...


SPOILER

Having placed machines under the ground hundreds of years before a town or city was built, why wouldnt you have just conquered earth back then? Why wait those hundreds of years when you'll have to "fight" for it. I can understand that maybe the population wasnt enough to grow the weeds, but why let it grow to such an extent that you come down and end up killing 60%+ of them.


Good movie still. Though the chick did get on my nerves in the first few parts. Guess thats just a testment to her good acting.


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