The administration was told that their were WMDs so that's what they beleived. You can get into whether or not it was a lie, but that is partisan politics more than facts

I don't see what the pictures are meant to be showing and to tell you the truth, you're right, you're not gonna change my mind and I'm not gonna change yours it just seems weird to me because you are the first person I have encountered that really beleives all this stuff and that America is a bunch of lying manipulative bastards; it's just all very strange for me.

So shouldn't someone be held responsible for their mistake?

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I don't see what the pictures are meant to be showing and to tell you the truth, you're right, you're not gonna change my mind and I'm not gonna change yours it just seems weird to me because you are the first person I have encountered that really beleives all this stuff and that America is a bunch of lying manipulative bastards; it's just all very strange for me.[/quote:d4810]
What about if I said many of the hijackers were alive?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 559151.stm

It's unfortunate. People call the US media left wing, but if they were truly left wing, they'd probably show some of these articles.

Maybe they'd show you the second plane impact in slow motion. There's a lot to learn from watching it in slo mo, trust me. It seems they'll give slow mo replays of slam dunks and car crashes, but when it comes down to it, the real stuff they just skip over.

If you happen to ahve any 9/11 DVD's or anything, watch the impact frame by frame. You might be suprised at what you see.

Anyway, the pictures show explosives being discharged. Thats why many people said they heard three explosions and then the building came down. The building was brought down from detonation charges, not fire.

I don't know what happened, I can only guess. Get Flight Simulator and fly a 757 out of Logan and see if you can make a full speed turning crash into a target like the WTC. At least the only vid I saw of a plane going in showed it flying with one wing higher than the other indicating that the plane wasn't lined up and flying a straight path into the tower.

Yes, the plane was banking and the impact formed had the right wing higher than the left. I have some high res photos of flight 175 from quite a distance, but it shows the underside of the plane. I'm not sure if the plane banked like that because it was turning, or if the plane was going more or less straight and then banked a bit to the left.

Anyway, the pentagon story seems stranger to me. Apparently the plane did a 330 degree turn at 530 MPH then was flown into the building 2 feet above the ground at max speed.

Flight 77 was piloted by Hani Hanjour. I watched a documentary called "lose change" where they interviewed the owner of the flight school Hani Hanjour came to practice at in August before sept 11. The guy there said his skills while in flight were below average to average and he could not land the plane.

Also the official autopsy on Flight 77 concluded that there were no Arabs on board the plane.

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm

Not sure if this is appropriate to ask or not, but didn't you vote republican?

Maybe I just assumed you did.

Hey ninty9 where can I get The BBC's series "The Power of Nightmares". can I download it from kazaa or from any site?

Last election I voted Libertarian. I couldn't morally vote for Bush or Kerry.

[quote="Jimbo@":dd8cc]Hey ninty9 where can I get The BBC's series "The Power of Nightmares". can I download it from kazaa or from any site?[/quote:dd8cc]

I can probably upload it for you, but you'll have to wait a couple days.

[quote:dd8cc]Last election I voted Libertarian. I couldn't morally vote for Bush or Kerry.[/quote:dd8cc]
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

[quote=ninty]I can probably upload it for you, but you'll have to wait a couple days[/quote:24304]

Thanks.

but watch it skeptically, don't take an overzealous attitude to it.

It was made by the BBC for christ sakes.

I'm just saying what you've been saying, you have to be skeptical about anything, the government, the same applies to even the BBC.

OK. oOo:

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If anyone's interested, there is a ton of info here. I haven't gone through it all, so I can't say I agree with it all, none the less, it's a good source:

http://tinyurl.com/doxgv

wow, great link man ed:

That whole thing that the tower fell faster than gravity inteded is bullshit happy:

[quote="Jimbo@":51c02]Hey ninty9 where can I get The BBC's series "The Power of Nightmares". can I download it from kazaa or from any site?[/quote:51c02]

Here they are man:

[url="http://jefftrudel.com/The%20Power%20of%20Nightmares/"]http://jefftrudel.com/The%20Power%20of%20Nightmares/[/url]

sorry it took so long. tried PM you a couple times, but for some reason my pm's don't work too well.

Here's an interesting piece by FOX News about the London Bombings:

http://70.84.33.210/~infomedi/video/cli ... _small.wmv

More on that issue [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050801&art icleId=782:1bea5]here[/url:1bea5].