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Albert Einstein and ccrg thanx alot for what you said you guys (and Girls) are cool but dang i need to read the bible more often because i always think oh i can read it later, but some day it'll be too late. i also need to go to church more often. never realy have the time, but im gonna try. im only 13 but you guys and girls have alot of insight. thanx a bunch!!!

So who wrote the review casue it feels like a 9 yr old wrote this.
Oh yeah by the way, there many forms of christians like Protestants, Jehovah Witnesses amd so on.

sycodawg,

Glad we can help. If you have any questions feelf ree to drop by my forum http://pub49.ezboard.com/bchristianc...mereviews88318 or e-mail me ccgr@ccgr.org.


zxcvnm,
I wrote the review. English is not my major but I think it's sufficient to point out games that are decent for kids and Christians. This is a hobby, and not my career. In reality I am a computer support technician http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

Originally posted by ccgr:
I am not offended by swastikas but maybe some Germans may be. I have German relatives and they may not like being associated with it. Some Jews may be offended too, but the few I spoke, with said they enoy destroying them. I just point it out and stay neutral

don't mind us germans...we get a censored version of WWII-games without swastikas and all that crap

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I bet you do. Sorry. I am assuming they have RTCW there? Or did they ban it outright?

"Another thing that was good to see was that even though you are fighting the Germans in World War II, you don't see any swastikas or other symbols from that time period."

No swastikas in the game? How much of it did these guys play?

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I don't beleive in god, i never have, i even asked to get notes from my parents to get out going to church at school (seriously)
All the noahs ark and little donky stuff to sugar coat religion to make it easy for kiddies to learn didnt cut butter with me.
I've never sinned, ive never sinned because ive never swore myself to not do what religous people would class as sins. To me, if crimes are commited, justice will be seen in a courtroom not at pearly gates.
When i die, that will be the end of me, i'll be cremated and have my ashes scattered in the highlands of scotland. I won't live on as a spirit, i will live on in my kids if i have any, my genes.
I dont care about religous people in what they beleive, its their choice and im not here to change them. I do object to some things about religion though.
I dont like when religious people try and change me. Come knocking at my door telling me jesus loves me, isnt going to cheer me up or make my day, it pisses me off. if i cared about it, i would go to church, and even if there were a god, i highly doubt he would want people interupting other peoples days just to talk about him.
But whats happened in the first place? why has it even reached a time where people have to go around and "spread gods word". Times have changed, people have changed, and i empahasise it again, times have changed!.
There are some things religously written that bother me though, now i stress, i dont beleive this stuff, and i am writing about them as in "if i thought it really happened" terms.
first being, noahs ark, yeah it may be a story, but in real life, even if it did rain for like 40 days, there is not enough water volume on earth to flood the world, everyone knows the water cycle of evaporation, condensation and then rain. But, yeah, only a story, but turning round to your children and saying god did that.....when it is a story.....is technically a lie, and a lie is classed as a sin is it not?
The mary and joseph thing, god technically raped mary, making her pregnant when she never asked. are we expected to think thats a good thing that she will have the son of god. Im sorry, but if i were joseph i would be marching straight down to the jerry springer studio with a story like that.
As for jesus' execution, there may well have been a guy called jesus who people admired, but the romans would not of executed him as he claimed to be the son of god, but because he was becoming a political threat. jesus would of been like any president or prime minister of today. and just several us president.....he was killed because people disagreed with him. thats my way of looking at it.



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Capt. Bunny, you have to remember that in biblical times, christianity was competing as a religion (like ABC, CBS and NBC here in the states compete) for followers... As they were ruled by Rome for much of the time, their direct competition was the polytheistic beliefs of the Roman gods, and if you recall, Jupiter/Zeus and the other gods would regularly impregnate common women and their offspring would be part god. There are many demi-gods in Roman mythology that have this claim to fame. It wasn't rape, it was keeping up with the Joneses, in this case, the Romans, nothing more. My god is better than your gods, because SEE! he can do this, and he did that, and thus and thus. bigger and better each and every time.

having said that, I would still propose that there is an omnipotent being of sorts, but that it is neither good nor evil but more neutral in its stance and that it obeys the laws of science (both known and unknown to us) that we do... of course, i know about as much as the christians do, and have as much proof.

-Bish

Jesus was a Buddhist. When Jesus was a teenager(Omitted from the bible) he traveled to India and learned buddhism, particulary meditation - saw this on the History channel, and it makes sense.

It is possible that Jesus could have healed the sick. Th Human mind is capable of so much that if we all learned to use it, it would literally shock existence into another plain...

Remeber the story of Jesus in the desert for forty days n nights...he was meditating, getting into his sub-conscious. The snake that came upon Jesus was only a figure of his imagination: right and wrong, good vs evil, etc. Jesus always told people that they can do just as him. When he refers himself as the son of god, he means he is the son of existence - life - not a figure in the sky. Jesus was a good person who tried to better the world, unfortunatly, his image and teachings were distorted. Just my 2 cents on this...

Actually, I think that the buddhist theory might be wrong, as is the History channel. The Nag Hammadi texts do mention (as does the Gnostic Gospels in the Gospel of Thomas) that during his teen / young adult years Jesus was in Egypt and goes into alot of detail on things that very nearly coincide with buddhism, but are very much Egyptian in birth. Also, Egypt seems to have been in focus (for the jews, jesus and his parents) throughout the bible... i would think they omitted the non-following the christian lifestyle, but left in other parts, making it read and feel (and seem) incomplete...

-Bish

Bis Can you e-mail me, or post some sources that you took your research from.

I am a devote christian (trying to be anyway, bad things are so much fun). But I too (based only on logic, and the fact that men are greed and evil) doubt the 100% authenticity of the bible. Over the last few hundred years it would have been easy to alter the bible in small ways.

Did you ever see Stigmata, it raised interesting point. Are they based in fact?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Bishop:
Capt. Bunny, you have to remember that in biblical times,
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Well I don't remember biblical times, I wasn't there, where you?


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Well, Stigmata is VERY VERY loosely based on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas. The passages briefly quoted are like the 70ish verse (going from memory, kinda foggy heh)...

As I'm at work (2:30 here in Phx) I can reply to this when I get home tonight. I have many good books, and even more actual research based on what documents are available for study.

I, too, was a devout Christian, but readily see how men truly are, and used logic and common sense to look paste that which was forced into my brain from a very early age... trust me, it is HARD to look past the dogma of what religion has made into 'historical fact' .... remember that what the bible says is NOT corraborated ANYWHERE else, save the old testiment and the Jewish documents... the dead sea scrolls, Pistus Sophia, Gnostic Gospels and Nag Hammadi do agree in many areas, but you can see where the bible has been edited/ changed/what-not and the originals have not, and they are almost pagan in thought in some places... pretty cool

having said all this, I still believe in The Creator, just not all nice or ruled-out like people would believe. I just don't buy the little intricacies that each branch of christianity would have you act out in order to make it to the top. And I think there is Karma, as set out by The Creator -- and it's nore immediate than "at the pearly gates" ...

-Bish

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Captain Bunny:

Well I don't remember biblical times, I wasn't there, where you?


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I am assuming you're being facetious in this question, as it understood to mean "current accepted research has shown that..." thus the reference to remember, not that I was there.

And the "where you?" portion... did you mean to say "were you?" or "where were you?" ... I'm trying to see if you have bad grammar or poor spelling... which is it?

-Bish

Hey moderators ...

... of all the threads you throw into the off-topic forum, you leave *this* one here?

This thread is hopelessly off-topic. You guys are usually better than this.

Very true... it started as a thread on reviews for MOHAA, and has devolved into biblical farce. lovely. MOVE MOVE MOVE

-Bish

Almost ALL Of The prophecies the bible has in it... but a few more are about to come true... like the revised roman empire. That goes to show that the bible is not false. I dont want to judge anyones religion because i have no right, also you guys have no right to criticise us.

One more thing... Always Remember this... "GOD BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS ISREAL"

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Hey moderators ...

... of all the threads you throw into the off-topic forum, you leave *this* one here?

This thread is hopelessly off-topic. You guys are usually better than this.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol......I just noticed this thread couple minutes ago!
Moved to Off-Topic forum

The swastika was an anti-Jewish symbol before Hitler chose it as the symbol for the Nazi party. It was actually a 3,000 year old religious symbol used originally to represent the sun god. See http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/34/3415.html

Some people have mentioned the idea that God created good and bad, that the Bible can’t be trusted, because it contradicts itself, and changed over the years, etc. These are common misconceptions that can be cleared up by looking at the facts.

First let me say that I don’t think anyone should put stock in the Bible or anything else without being convinced of the facts. I wouldn’t. I would expect that any book claiming to be from the creator of the universe would at least be accurate, harmonious, and beneficial. If you see apparent contradictions, then investigate them.

However, many people have their own agenda, which includes trying to discredit the Bible, and/or God. Why? Well, think about it. And look at some of the above posts. Most people want to do whatever pleases them, not what pleases God or anyone else. Physical pleasure comes first. But this doesn’t agree with the Bible. Well, if you don’t want to have to change your life to agree with God’s teachings in the Bible, all you have to do is convince yourself that either the Bible or God need not be listened to or trusted. The human mind has an incredible ability to believe what it wants. There were people on the Titanic who chose to believe it wasn’t sinking, so they drowned needlessly.

Anyone can make a statement that the Bible contradicts itself, or has changed, etc. That’s easy. But where is the proof? It seems like most of these people haven’t even read the Bible or done the research. They just quote critics. I have done much research into the subject, and have been amazed to find that any such argument that someone has put forward has been disproved.

It is true that people have distorted what the Bible says to suit their own desires and to sell their religion to the masses. In fact, it was kept in Latin for a long time so common people couldn’t read it. Why? Because the Bible would contradict what the religious leaders were saying. That’s because the Bible had not been changed. Even today many religious leaders, from religions based on the Bible, say you don’t have to listen to the Bible. Because they want you to listen to them instead. But the Bible still hasn’t changed. Look at any translation, they say the same thing with different words.

It is funny that the argument was made that the Bible has changed over the years, purposely so in the Middle Ages, and the Dead Sea Scrolls were mentioned. Funny because the Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in 1947, were much older than the Middle Ages, some from before Christ, yet when compared to scrolls from the Middle Ages and later, they were found to be almost identical word for word, proving they had not significantly changed. Did you know that for centuries there were copyists who’s job was to copy the scrolls, word for word, with no mistakes. If even 1 little mistake was made, the entire copy had to be destroyed. So they took it very seriously and carefullly. The result is that in the year 2002 we have around 6,000 ancient handwritten copies, from different centuries, of all or part of the Hebrew Scriptures, and 5,000 of the Greek, to compare, and they all agree.

Consider the facts that the Bible is actually a collection of 66 books written in 3 different languages over a period of 1,600 years by 40 men of different occupations, including kings, generals, doctors, shepherds, and fishermen. Just try getting 40 men of the same language, religion, and profession to each write a book in the same year that agrees with the others. You will get all different opinions, contradictions, inaccuracies. Yet amazingly this is not true of the Bible.

Take another example: the 2 different genealogies of Jesus. This is an old standard that people fall back on to “prove” you can dismiss the Bible. The simple answer is that one is his mother’s genealogy, the other his legal father’s genealogy. Matthew traced Jesus legal lineage through Jesus’ legal father Joseph, from David’s son Solomon. (Matthew 1:6) Luke traced Jesus’ natural lineage through his mother Mary, from David’s son Nathan. (Luke 3:31) So Joseph was the son (in law) of Heli. It is significant that the Jews at the time, who disputed everything they could about Jesus, never disputed those genealogies. The public records were there for anyone to check.

This forum is bringing out all the freaks, gun nuts posting pictures of semi automatic rifles and now Christian fundamentalist trying to convert the young and vulnerable!

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Christians suck arse...
How could they toss on about one guy dying for our "Sins" when 4 million people died for our sins in world war 2.
Count em 4 MILLION...

and don't give me that "oh but he's the son of god crap" You christians said "we were all
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I really dislike what you said there buddy and I dont like your attitude one bit. I'm Christian, Lutheran to be exact, now I dont go preaching my views to all those that dont believe in God/Jesus or whatever, thats their choice, and quite frankly, I dont give a fuck if you believe or not. But your argument there was pretty shit to be exact. Think it out without having to shit on a persons particular belief then have another go.


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awesome post Albert!

Actually Albert, there has been extensive study outside of the "church" from independant researchers that don't just take the word in the bible as truth -- they look to find corraborating data, which is truthfully very hard considering all those that have been in power have always sought to destroy those accounts that differ from theirs... (including our 'turn the other cheek' christians) I say look past the bible, there is NOTHING outside of it that backs it up. However, if you look at contemporary writers of the time of jesus (i will not call him the christ because if you would do research you'd find there were many at that time calling themselves christs) such as Hermes Trigmosdus and Josephus, you'll see alot of the 'HARD FACTS' of the bible are not told of elsewhere. Hmmmm, sorry.

How do you research the bible outside of the bible? From other sources. Too bad no other source backs it up. About the dead sea scrolls, read them again. Heard of the Gospel of Thomas? Or of Mary? Guess not, or you'd know that the dead sea scrolls do NOT agree with the NT. Nope. They more coincide with another work called the Gnostic Gospels that was also kept out of the 'mainstream' of the religious pulse of the ages, and thusly wasn't edited into the fictional crap we read today... Heard of the Gnostics? They were the followers of the true word of jesus, not the fanatical literalists that would hunt them to near descructions in the 300s, and later again in the 1100s (heard of the Cathars?)

Sorry you guys, it sounds like all you can do is spew what you learned at church. Dig deeper and research. Trust me, it's out there, if you are honest with yourself and want to find it.

By the way, I will happily provide research books and other materials to those that would like to look more into things and see the real truth behind religion. it's not to disprove those that would blindly follow crap, it's to show the real message behind things.

One final thing. God DID create evil... he created everything right? Yep. or if you want to concede that he didn't that's cool too. He created Man, Adam, and even good ol' Lucifer, and he created all of the feelings, wants, desires, everything. Sorry pal, either he created EVERYTHING, or he didn't. he didn't just create the good things, and 'someone else' created the bad. You sound silly.

-Bish

Originally posted by Sh3ll_Sh0ck:


Which is also why I really think the German government should take alook at it's policies.

erm,please give me a little help...what's wrong with the policies of germany?



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How about we all just let people who want to believe do just that, and those that dont want to believe that exact thing aswell. I really dont care about the specifics of my faith right now, I learned enough at high school. All I know is that I believe in God, and thats all that matters to me. Debate if you must, but your not going to change the point of view of a Christian just because of some facts you dug up. Yes relgion has been the cause of too many wars, and I dont think for 1 second God wants ANY of us to die in his name. It's just that some extremists/zealots, no matter what religion they follow choose to take their beliefs too far and as far as I'm concerned, thats wrong, and not what Christianity is about.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flammenwerfer:
Originally posted by Sh3ll_Sh0ck:


Which is also why I really think the German government should take alook at it's policies.

erm,please give me a little help...what's wrong with the policies of germany?

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Concerning it's overuse of cencorship. Is it true that blood in games is taken out so it can be sold there ?? Because I've seen quite a few "blood patches" for various games for German releases.


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Flammenwerfer, do something with that sig. Shrink it down a little, the damn things a mile to wide!!

And to Apollo,
"Heh, ok... Ordinary, eh? You're ordinary aren't you? Then lets see you lead a perfect life. Lets see you rise people from the dead, heal leapers, make blind see, make lame walk, and save many, many, MANY people from the depths of Hell."

To people of the Jewish and Islamic faith, Jesus was a great prophet, not the son of god who did all of these amazing miracles. Don't slam other peoples beliefs just because they don't jive with yours. Religious intolerance is a sin in any religion, and not really an example of love thy neighbour!

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[This message has been edited by Mosquito (edited February 13, 2002).]

If I am not mistaken the bible is the only Holy book that has not been proven wrong. The latest prohpesy that was fufilled was Israel becoming a nation.

ccgr: you really don't want me to start showing all of the problems with the current edition of the bible do you? (I say current edition because it has been re-edited to jive with history and stay correct).

If the koran or torah had been rewritten over the ages like the bible had, i'm sure their apologists would have made it as error free as possible. But then again, they only see jesus as a prophet of god, which the bible and it's stories cannot disprove.

and I would also think that any current geologist would care to differ with the bible's view of how, and when, the earth and all of its creatures were created. facts-wise, there is a whole world of evidence pointing towards evolution. what's the bible have? just the bible. that's like saying, "this is true because it says it is true"...

and i'm not trying to sway anyone to anti-christianity. bottom line on that spin of religion is that it imposes morals on those that truly follow it, and that's good for the rest of us in the world, as long as they don't go nuts and call another inquisition or crusade. Face it, jesus and christians are just another religion. not even as big as some of those in the far east.

-Bish

check this site out http://100prophecies.org/page2.htm

I agree that there are many different bible translations and renditions. Some have passages edited some even removed. But the message is still pretty much the same. It's written by the hand of man but inspired by God. He said his word will be preserved and it's still here today.

I don't goto church :rolleyes

According to the ancient Sumerians, the "God" we're familiar with in the Old Testament were visitors from a brown dwarf star whose orbit crosses our solar system once every 3,600 years. The ancient Sumerians left extensive records of their stay on Earth. They claimed that these visitors taught man everything he knows. These records date back at least 6,000 years.

Their creation legends are strikingly similar to what's found in the Book Of Genesis, but the records conatining the legends of these "Gods" who came to Earth predated the Book Of Genesis by a few thousand years. So it could be that the Biblical stories found in Genesis may have actually been a retelling of ancient Sumerian legend. The Sumerians called these people the Annunaki, but in Genesis they are called the Nephilim.

Nephilim, translated, means "those who from hevaen to earth came".

I know this sounds WAY off the normal thinking, but I have OODLES of evidence that supports this claim, mainly from a series of books one man wrote called The Earth Chronicles. I have all flavors of scientific evidence that says "yes, events in The Bible DID in fact happen, but not in the supernatural context that most people subscribe to." Nevertheless, the evidence tells an EXTRODINARY story of man's history that literally staggers the mind.

never heard of that stony. I can't say anything about that stuff, that predates any of the research i've done or read about, I just know that the proof that remains that doesn't include the bible surely points to the bible being a work of fiction. It's great propaganda, no doubt, but no more. and I would think that the word of God would be more intuitive anyway -- would god condone so easily the extermination (genocide) of certain races, vengence (it's his, but since it's bad, he's doing something bad? or is it because he does it, it's not bat? -- double standard), slavery, women not being equal to men -- funny thing here is that in the VERY early church there are records still that show of priestesses... but since our earliest biblical writings date from 150 - 300 AD there seems to be a very concerted effort to remove women from the overall scheme of things. I mean... Father, Son, ... Holy Spirit... how about Father, Mother, Son? They can't have that, it's too Pagan. Christianity knew in its infancy that pagans at that time knew the truth about them and how their feats in the fictional book called the bible weren't true, so they took over or killed off all things Pagan to fix that...

the day we celebrate jesus' birthday was a huge pagan celebration before then. by the by, alot of quotes attributed to jesus in the NT are carved in stone on isian and osirian temples in egypt (funny, that's where he was in his missing years too, hmmmmm) .... perhaps he could have been an isian priest.... alot of his ritualistic question marks that make no sense in the bible (prompting his disciples on more than one occasion to proclaim "we know not what he means" were actually rites and rituals of that religion -- the spikenard feet washing is one of them) ... fear that jesus stole his beliefs from a DOCUMENTED religion that was way older than his.

why would that not come out until now, you'd say? actually, much of that has been known, but only in the non-christian world, which figures. (christians will say, "they are against us, so OF COURSE they'll have the proof"...)

I'm just tired of christians KNOWING they are the true religion. that's SO presumptious, and cannot CANNOT *CANNOT* be proven in any way, and never will. The rapture described in revelations? not in our lifetimes, of course, so don't worry about it.

-Bish



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Originally posted by BallisticWookie:

Concerning it's overuse of cencorship. Is it true that blood in games is taken out so it can be sold there ?? Because I've seen quite a few "blood patches" for various games for German releases.




aahhh,i see.well,the censorship has nothing to do with politics.there's an institution called the "BpjS" which consists of people from different "classes",like members from the church,parents and so on.in general i think this institution does great work for it bans child p*rn or nazi-sh*t and i really don't think that 8 year old kids should play Q3 or soldier of fortune.sometimes they're just too strict so there are many pros and some cons for this institution



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