JohnJ, my buddy has a Dart, slant 6 :)

My first mode of transportation was my feet. Still is (During the winter - summer = motorcycle).

ls7 > ls1 > lt1 biggrin:[/quote:2f573]


True, but she will still haul ass cool:

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":7aab6][quote=butch]Why would somebody bash you, most everybodys first car aint their first choice of cars. Most guys have two cars in mind, the dream car then the one that fits the wallet. I expect that rule has applied since the first car rolled off the line.

Come to think of it, its one of the few things that hasnt changed generation to generation. the models change but a guys first car remains the same.[/quote:7aab6]

because i would assume someone would come and say something like "i have to work in order to get a car that costs that could not even compare to yours, and you get to have one for free." Look at one of the vacation threads and see what i'm talking about.[/quote:7aab6]
I really have no problem with hand downs, its when some punk gets their rich parents to buy them a 318i Beamer brand new or a brand new civic, RSX etc...

[quote="Short Hand":27df6]I really have no problem with hand downs, its when some punk gets their rich parents to buy them a 318i Beamer brand new or a brand new civic, RSX etc...[/quote:27df6]

Do you believe in the whole "Get Good Grades Ge What You Want" thing?

[quote="Jin-Roh":f6b69][quote="Short Hand":f6b69]I really have no problem with hand downs, its when some punk gets their rich parents to buy them a 318i Beamer brand new or a brand new civic, RSX etc...[/quote:f6b69]

Do you believe in the whole "Get Good Grades Ge What You Want" thing?[/quote:f6b69]

I beleive in hard work. Thats it. eek:

I also had a 92 Buick Regal, I had to let it go because things kept breaking (the AC, brake lights, heater, and a few other things) and I got tired of it.

[quote="Short Hand":a4115][quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":a4115][quote=butch]Why would somebody bash you, most everybodys first car aint their first choice of cars. Most guys have two cars in mind, the dream car then the one that fits the wallet. I expect that rule has applied since the first car rolled off the line.

Come to think of it, its one of the few things that hasnt changed generation to generation. the models change but a guys first car remains the same.[/quote:a4115]

because i would assume someone would come and say something like "i have to work in order to get a car that costs that could not even compare to yours, and you get to have one for free." Look at one of the vacation threads and see what i'm talking about.[/quote:a4115]
I really have no problem with hand downs, its when some punk gets their rich parents to buy them a 318i Beamer brand new or a brand new civic, RSX etc...[/quote:a4115]

Why? How do you know they didn't work hard in other areas to earn the right to be given a car? Not everyone is a walking stereotype.

The way I see it, unless you know the person very well you have no place to judge anyone like that.

my first car is a broken down van that still doesn't work

[quote="Jimmy Paterson":d85eb]my first car is a broken down van that still doesn't work[/quote:d85eb]

did your gf give it to you?

You live in Marblehead don't you?

Parents bought me a "slate gray" Dodge Caravan Sport for $12,000 (including tax). It has the best stock speakers you can get and it only had 12,000 miles or something when I got it.

1990 mitsubishi montero. still going although getting weaker.

I live in Peabody, but my grandfather, who drives a 2000 impala w/ all the police gear, lives in Marblehead. Thats where those first pics were taken.

Do you live there?

I did for 25 years. Know I live in Beverly. Its funny Marblehead being such a small town I know that car lol.

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Do you believe in the whole "Get Good Grades Ge What You Want" thing?[/quote:6237e]


there is a limit to that, the kid has to know what a dollar is and not be some spoiled little brat that gets a new car for graduating a public school

[quote="Doctor Duffy":abf5f]Hahah, my parents used to own one of those. We donated the p.o.s. to the Red Cross.

Im not getting my liscense for another year, and probably wont be getting a car for another 3, but my dad has basically told me what car he wants me to buy..this one:
[img]http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/generations/vw.beetle/1955.vw.beetle.500.jpg[/img]
Yeah, a Beetle. A good, responsive yet slow and stable car. I was looking at this '77 Porsche Boxster a couple miles away at a used car lot, but my dad just puked on me, saying he knows I'd be dead the next day if I got it. He doesnt really trust me that well.

What I REALLY want though... is one of those hippie-mobiles. I mean, jeeze, I used to ride in my neighbors and her kids little bus back in California - insanely comfortable. The seats were couch like, we could lay on the giant floor, sleep up in the bunk... just an awesome, awesome car.

[img]http://www.avonhill.com/thumbnails/van/1971_VW_bus.jpeg[/img]

Unfortunately... its pretty damn hard to find any around. They're collectibles now, and nobody is willing to give 'em up.[/quote:abf5f]

me and my bro used to call those the "turtle van" because it looks like that van from the original ninja turtles

no my dad

LOL. 88mph.

I see. My dad grew up in Marblehead and im over there all the time.

I also used to live in Beverly too cool:

[quote=Tripper][quote="Short Hand":e0eaa][quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":e0eaa]because i would assume someone would come and say something like "i have to work in order to get a car that costs that could not even compare to yours, and you get to have one for free." Look at one of the vacation threads and see what i'm talking about.[/quote:e0eaa]
I really have no problem with hand downs, its when some punk gets their rich parents to buy them a 318i Beamer brand new or a brand new civic, RSX etc...[/quote:e0eaa]

Why? How do you know they didn't work hard in other areas to earn the right to be given a car? Not everyone is a walking stereotype.

The way I see it, unless you know the person very well you have no place to judge anyone like that.[/quote:e0eaa]

Thats your view on it. I don't see it like that though.

[quote="Short Hand":77098][quote=Tripper][quote="Short Hand":77098][quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":77098]because i would assume someone would come and say something like "i have to work in order to get a car that costs that could not even compare to yours, and you get to have one for free." Look at one of the vacation threads and see what i'm talking about.[/quote:77098]
I really have no problem with hand downs, its when some punk gets their rich parents to buy them a 318i Beamer brand new or a brand new civic, RSX etc...[/quote:77098]

Why? How do you know they didn't work hard in other areas to earn the right to be given a car? Not everyone is a walking stereotype.

The way I see it, unless you know the person very well you have no place to judge anyone like that.[/quote:77098]

Thats your view on it. I don't see it like that though.[/quote:77098]

Then all that makes you is narrow-minded. Don't comeback and say that's not true because it is....You're closing your mind to the possibility of someone earning the right to have a car given to them through other means than working at a job and getting paid by a boss. Simply because they have rich parents.

That's prejudice towards rich people. Just because they're rich doesn't make them corrupt and spoilt.

My family are very well off, but it's only because my parents worked terribly hard to get where they are.....They bought both my cars. Doesn't mean I didn't deserve them.
I'm pretty much their butler when I'm not at university, they're both so busy they're rarely home to manage the rest of their life - So I do a lot of it for them, and have been doing it at varying degrees since I've been capable of it....

By your logic that makes me a rich punk/spoilt brat type.

Short Hand is jealous that his Daddy is not ... dean of some part of a Uni. biggrin:

I think a guys first car should be bought by himself with money has erned himself. A guys first car is something special and i think it takes something away from that to have it handed to him. Taking out the trash and washing dads car should not earn you a car.

Work, sweat and a weekly paycheck should buy your first car.

Having said that having your dad cosign your loan is not a problem as long as your the one making the payment along with the insurance.

Buying and paying for your first car is one of the first steps to manhood and taking responcibility for yourself.

I bought my first car as did my son. I could have helped but my son decided he wanted to do it himself. He worked his ass off doing landscaping until he had enuogh to make a downpayment. Bought a 380 ZX twin turbo. He saved 1000.00 for the down payment and i cosighned the loan. That was 12 years ago. Now he owns his own construction company.

You should come to my school and see some of the cars people own, my own personal belief is your first car should be a peice of junk. People here have fucking BMWs, SAABs, (Insert other expensive shit) and they always reck them.

Your first car should depend on how hard your willin to work for what you want. They wreak them because they have no appreciation of the hard work it takes to posess a fine ride like that. Its daddys money, why should i give a shit!! That kind of thinking makes a father proud im sure. oOo:

[quote=Tripper][quote="Short Hand":8ac0b][quote=Tripper][quote="Short Hand":8ac0b]I really have no problem with hand downs, its when some punk gets their rich parents to buy them a 318i Beamer brand new or a brand new civic, RSX etc...[/quote:8ac0b]

Why? How do you know they didn't work hard in other areas to earn the right to be given a car? Not everyone is a walking stereotype.

The way I see it, unless you know the person very well you have no place to judge anyone like that.[/quote:8ac0b]

Thats your view on it. I don't see it like that though.[/quote:8ac0b]

Then all that makes you is narrow-minded. Don't comeback and say that's not true because it is....You're closing your mind to the possibility of someone earning the right to have a car given to them through other means than working at a job and getting paid by a boss. Simply because they have rich parents.

That's prejudice towards rich people. Just because they're rich doesn't make them corrupt and spoilt.

My family are very well off, but it's only because my parents worked terribly hard to get where they are.....They bought both my cars. Doesn't mean I didn't deserve them.
I'm pretty much their butler when I'm not at university, they're both so busy they're rarely home to manage the rest of their life - So I do a lot of it for them, and have been doing it at varying degrees since I've been capable of it....

By your logic that makes me a rich punk/spoilt brat type.[/quote:8ac0b]

What lesson in life does one learn when mommy and daddy hand the child the keys to a brand new beamer ?... Nothing. With youth like this growing up we have much to be afraid of in the near future. Earn it. Work hard.

Why does it HAVE to be in the form of a "weekly paycheck," not everyone can get a job. Not everyones lives are that simple. What if you live miles away from any place you can get a job? A good father would compromise with you and make you put all that unused hard work and energy into other areas of your life and make sure you deserve the car when he gives it to you.

What if you live in a city where a car isn't an option? Do you miss out on becoming a man? This is just silly. There are other ways to take on responsibility. Cars aren't that big a deal.

[quote="Short Hand":1afd3][quote=Tripper][quote="Short Hand":1afd3][quote=Tripper][quote="Short Hand":1afd3]I really have no problem with hand downs, its when some punk gets their rich parents to buy them a 318i Beamer brand new or a brand new civic, RSX etc...[/quote:1afd3]

Why? How do you know they didn't work hard in other areas to earn the right to be given a car? Not everyone is a walking stereotype.

The way I see it, unless you know the person very well you have no place to judge anyone like that.[/quote:1afd3]

Thats your view on it. I don't see it like that though.[/quote:1afd3]

Then all that makes you is narrow-minded. Don't comeback and say that's not true because it is....You're closing your mind to the possibility of someone earning the right to have a car given to them through other means than working at a job and getting paid by a boss. Simply because they have rich parents.

That's prejudice towards rich people. Just because they're rich doesn't make them corrupt and spoilt.

My family are very well off, but it's only because my parents worked terribly hard to get where they are.....They bought both my cars. Doesn't mean I didn't deserve them.
I'm pretty much their butler when I'm not at university, they're both so busy they're rarely home to manage the rest of their life - So I do a lot of it for them, and have been doing it at varying degrees since I've been capable of it....

By your logic that makes me a rich punk/spoilt brat type.[/quote:1afd3]

What lesson in life does one learn when mommy and daddy hand the child the keys to a brand new beamer ?... Nothing. With youth like this growing up we have much to be afraid of in the near future. Earn it. Work hard.[/quote:1afd3]

Fuck your so goddamn nieve.

Firstly: Yeah, that's the ONLY way to teach someone a lesson about hard work. You can't give your kids ANYTHING at all.....and when they do "work" for it, it HAS to be in the form of a JOB.

Jesus fucking christ, open your mind a little. You can't see anyone earning the right to be given a car in other areas of life OTHER than a payed job? What if your kids a fucking scholar and has no time for a job? What if your kids are too busy looking after your old ass, helping you maintain and as a result don't have time for a job. You don't pay them any money.

....But oh no, if you get them a car IT WILL INSTANTLY MAKE THEM A SPOILT BRAT.

Can you SEE how stupid and nieve you look? There ARE times when people are given things that they deserve.

....and for the record, the car my parents gave me (my first) was worth about 750$ American dollars.....In my honest and logical opinion, I deserved it. I worked hard for it. I went out of my way helping out my folks for it.

....but it was given to me. I didn't go to the store and get it with money from my own wallet, but it was with money I had earned.

That DOES NOT make me a spoilt brat, or unworthy of my "manhood" like you people say it would.

gg quotes

[quote="Jimmy Paterson":46982]gg quotes[/quote:46982]

Hello! Welcome to an internet forum!!!!!!!!111

[quote:7db69]Fuck your so goddamn nieve.

Firstly: Yeah, that's the ONLY way to teach someone a lesson about hard work. You can't give your kids ANYTHING at all.....and when they do "work" for it, it HAS to be in the form of a JOB.

Jesus fucking christ, open your mind a little. You can't see anyone earning the right to be given a car in other areas of life OTHER than a payed job? What if your kids a fucking scholar and has no time for a job? What if your kids are too busy looking after your old ass, helping you maintain and as a result don't have time for a job. You don't pay them any money.

....But oh no, if you get them a car IT WILL INSTANTLY MAKE THEM A SPOILT BRAT.

Can you SEE how stupid and nieve you look? There ARE times when people are given things that they deserve.

....and for the record, the car my parents gave me (my first) was worth about 750$ American dollars.....In my honest and logical opinion, I deserved it. I worked hard for it. I went out of my way helping out my folks for it.

....but it was given to me. I didn't go to the store and get it with money from my own wallet, but it was with money I had earned.

That DOES NOT make me a spoilt brat, or unworthy of my "manhood" like you people say it would.[/quote:7db69]

So I am narrow minded for thinking a first car should be something you work for and pay for........Narrow minded ? Nigga please. !

Yeah. You are.

[quote="Short Hand":fe030][quote:fe030]Fuck your so goddamn nieve.

Firstly: Yeah, that's the ONLY way to teach someone a lesson about hard work. You can't give your kids ANYTHING at all.....and when they do "work" for it, it HAS to be in the form of a JOB.

Jesus fucking christ, open your mind a little. You can't see anyone earning the right to be given a car in other areas of life OTHER than a payed job? What if your kids a fucking scholar and has no time for a job? What if your kids are too busy looking after your old ass, helping you maintain and as a result don't have time for a job. You don't pay them any money.

....But oh no, if you get them a car IT WILL INSTANTLY MAKE THEM A SPOILT BRAT.

Can you SEE how stupid and nieve you look? There ARE times when people are given things that they deserve.

....and for the record, the car my parents gave me (my first) was worth about 750$ American dollars.....In my honest and logical opinion, I deserved it. I worked hard for it. I went out of my way helping out my folks for it.

....but it was given to me. I didn't go to the store and get it with money from my own wallet, but it was with money I had earned.

That DOES NOT make me a spoilt brat, or unworthy of my "manhood" like you people say it would.[/quote:fe030]

So I am narrow minded for thinking a first car should be something you work for and pay for........Narrow minded ? n**** please. ![/quote:fe030]

No, your narrow minded for having a problem with people who didn't get there first car through a JOB and ONLY a JOB.

A first car should be something you work for, you're right there.....But YOU have NO RIGHT to judge someone if they get a car by other means because YOU don't know if they've worked or not.

I was my own example in that, If I had told you flat out that I got my first car given to me, without going into detail about how I earned it - You'd judge me and instantly assume that I was a spoilt brat simply because I didn't get it with a conventional job.

That's why you're narrow minded.

I dont know about anyone else but im not judging you at all or calling you any names. As a matter of fact i feel bad that you missed out something. Its a very proud moment in a young mans life to make that first car deal with his own money. Its difficult to explain if you have never done it.

Some day im sure youll have a job and buy that car. Then youll better understand what im trying to say here. It wont be your fist car but the feeling will be the same.

I agree.

I'll become a man when I'll buy myself some computer parts and put it together all with my own time and money. beer:

Getting a car [no matter whose money it is being spent] is like passing a grade. Not graduating. oOo:

I bought my own computer setup for all up around $3,000 (USD $1800) - Probably the most expensive thing I've bought with my own cash. It felt pretty good I guess.
Cars aren't as big a deal to me as they seem to be to you, I prefered purchasing other things with my hard earned cash. (I HAVE worked 3 different full-time jobs in my life - I do know what hard work is)
It didn't matter to me much if I got a car or not, hell I didn't even ask for one....But I got given one as a gesture of thanks from my parents for helping them survive. (NOT minor things like taking out trash etc - Try cooking/cleaning/washing, organising tradesmen, even paying bills occasionally). I never got paid for any of that, but the car was a gift of appreciation for the help I gave them.

I probably will get that feeling If I ever buy my own car, but I'm pretty damn sure I'd get that same feeling If I bought anything with my own money, not restricted to a car.
I don't think you realise how much cars don't matter to some people and how much it ISN'T a big deal getting your first car to some. Not all guys look at cars like that. Too me they're just another expensive thing that I have to fork out money for, just like anything else.

My point is, I'm not missing out on any "feeling" or on reaching my "manhood" because I got a car given to me.

alot of it has to do with cultural differences as well. When I was in Denmark, they couldn't believe that my family owned 4 vehicles. It's a huge part of our lives in America compared to other places I guess.

Maybe, I do know guys that are into their cars, their first car was probably a big deal to them, too - Car culture is pretty damn huge down here as well....

I'm just saying not everyone is into their cars so it's not very fair to judge people on their entire character based on whether or not they personally paid (with mondey earned from a job) for their first car or not - Infact, it's absurd....Not everyone treats their first vehicle as this special life milestone.

NEED I remind everyone that Robocop drove a Taurus...


[img]http://www.volocars.com/images/news12-pic1.jpg[/img]

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yeah that's right, Robocop....