So you think your safe. Ever vacation in Bali. Pretty soon you won't be able to vacation anywhere in the South Pacific except Christchurch, and then guess who will be coming for a visit. What would you do if a neighborhood bully came and told you to give hin a dollar? How about someone in the mob looking for protection money? You can say it isn't the same thing, but it is. The terrorists are not attacking your country right now because they have a bigger problem with the USA and England. Do I agree with the way my country is going about this "War on Terror". No I don't, I didn't vote for Dubba either. Using the military on terrorists makes them more powerful politically, when all they are is criminals.You say nothing has happened to Spain since they capitulated and voted in politicians that pulled their troops out of the coalition. Now a group of terrorists can make demands on the Spanish government, and if they don't get their way the terrorist will plant another bomb.

As to being full of shit, I have blue eyes so I guess I'm a quart low. And I haven't been brainwashed, I'm not advocating having our military over in the Middle East. If the problem is our military is Saudi Arabia, the Saudi government asked us to be there.

Yeah, I do think I'm safe - As safe as I can be. If my country were to join the coalition - We'd be targeted by "al queda," which would make us that much more unsafe.....and no, I haven't been to Bali, nor would I ever go - For three reasons:
1.) It's full of Australians (The reason why it was bombed).
2.) It's insane marijuana laws.
3.) Asia doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. (Except Japan)

Why won't I be able to vacation anywhere in the south pacific? You're a fucking idiot if you think I'm going to be threatened by terrorists in Samoa or Tonga, or anywhere around there...There is no motive at all, with tiny (if ANY) muslim communities, and even then probably zero extremists...(Bali was bombed by Muslim extremists who lived there - Not by outside forces.

...and why Christchurch? You know that's not the only other town in my country. Paranoid AND ignorant. rolleyes:

...I can't guess who will be coming for a visit. Every attack so far has had a degree of motive. There is no motive for an attack on NZ soil. We haven't fucked with, nor supported the fucking with of any country in the middle east.

This is NOT the same.....and YOU know it. Please, I'm not a moron.

I wouldn't have fucked with the mob in the first place....and you're right, I CAN say it isn't the same thing, and that's probably because IT ISN'T.

.....And why do you think that is? oOo:

They're not going to attack my country, because like I said, there is no real motive for them to do so. What point would they be proving? Their 'holy war' feels justified to them because of the "fuck you" in-your-face attitude from your country that I've been going on about and the fact that the U.S is fucking around and killing their people in their own 'holy land.' The rest of the coalition are targets as well because of their support of these actions and attitudes.

That's retarded. They would plant a bomb anyway. Do you think because the U.S doesn't meet their demands, that their not going to target you guys anymore? They'll keep doing it until you pull out. They're relentless in their motive.

The difference with Spain is they won't because they have met their demand and therefore have no motive to do so. Since Spain has removed themselves from affiliation with the coalition there is no reason for them to attack it.

So your solution is to meet whatever demands the terrorists make. Don't go to this country because the terrorist might not like some vacationers there. Cut all ties with the Middle East.

What are the terrorist demanding? What exactly do the extremist Muslims want? Their stated goal is to destroy western society and replace it with an Islamic state.

That sounds good, dont you agree.

No. I never said "whatever" demands they make. Regarding affiliation with the coalition, sure - There is enough non-islamic people out there demanding that as it is anyway. These demands are threats, and quite frankly, I'm not going to test the threats of a group of people who are willing to die and WILL die for their cause, when it's a demand that so many of them all agree on.

You watch, they won't try and take over the world - That's why I think you've been brainwashed into thinking that. They don't want the rest of the world. They want their 'holy land' free from meddling Christians. If that's all it takes to not worry about people coming to blow up my family, or fly planes into my countries' buildings, then sure - I mean fair enough, if bigger countries were fucking with my country like that I'd be pissed off too.

The Bali bombers were Indonesian. Not middle eastern. It was their home,and Australians are the number one vacationers there by a long shot. There is a considerable population of muslims there and obviously where there are lots of muslims, there are extremists. You could see it coming.

....and besides, if the Australians hadn't gotten involved in the first place, that attack would never have happened. It wasnt just a random attack on white "christians."

No. Cut ties with countries who have influence in the middle eats, but don't have the middle east's best interests in mind, or who are working against the middle east. Let the fuckers have their deserts and camels without being in an American/coalition headlock....

Do you think if that was their stated goal from the get-go, that they would have attempted this years ago? Back when there wasn't as much western influence in their countries? They could have launched chemical attacks, got ahold of nukes, bombs, anything. This is a modern thing. This is a result of years of westerners meddling in their affairs.

...And that is a minority of terrorist groups who agree with that anyway - Most just want the coalition out.

These people are not as enlightened about true motives - They don't understand. All they see is a largely unjustified war (To them anyway) in their land, and whatever else al-jazeera or any media reports...How is going to war with them making it better? It's just increasing the death toll on both sides. It's making it worse, and doubling the population of muslims who are willing to blow themselves up to get revenge for their dead kids who died from American bombs....All the dedicated muslim kids who see this kind of shit (Americans burning taliban bodies) on al-jazeera, and decide, "They are pigs, lets kill those american fucks, look at what they do to us - They despise us."

The burning of bodies, abu ghraib, the fucking with the koran - It's all part of the "fuck you" attitude, and that's what it does to help the situation. To top it off, they see the dedicated support of these actions from Americans.

This is also a demonstration of how powerful the media is these days and how it's not the same as past wars where the same attitude has been in existance.

I don't support their actions, but I also don't support fucking with the middle east for the various reasons above.

[quote="TGB!":96375]The TIME artilce pretty much said the first thing that came to my mind:

Since when have terrorists been playing by the rules of ISLAM? The burning of the contractors in Iraq was what exactly. . .a sign of respect for your foe that can easily be miscontrued as bloodthirsty barbarism?
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what a ignorant view, then again if your so ignorant to worship and defend everything that bush does or says, or try to say in Bush's case im not surprised.

..if Australians hadn't gotten involved in what exactly?

[quote="Eight Ace":f469f]..if Australians hadn't gotten involved in what exactly?[/quote:f469f]

The rugby world cup

lol, ok...I thought you may have meant the war in Iraq for a minute there.

rugby....