Exactly like I said, right? rolleyes: ...listen americas private health care system - by the standards of people who have insurance, is obviously OKAY. But what about the 40 million uninsured? Do you think they are happy?

I know Canada's system is messed, I didn't deny it and am not shy of talking about it. I put american media in there because they don't show the OTHER side of the arugment...why is our health care system faulty you ask..Because currently the government is attempting to cut its debt (500 billion) and unfortunately is spending more on defense which I find unecessary...well what does this mean? LESS MONEY FOR HEALTH CARE...and with Harper in power the conservatives are going to fuck the system up allowing a two tier health care system which will end up like the mess in England..

From the arguements coming from Stackem you seem to only know the "oh your health care blows because of waiting times argument" which is ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE ISSUE..see what I mean when I say that Americans don't know anything about our politics? I'm pretty sure you don't care either but if you wish to continue debating this topic look all the issues up..please.

if waiting is only 1 side it is a HUGE side. I will look up more on this but to have a person waiting in pain for years for a simple procedure is VERY messed up. Yes hip replacement is a simple procedure. A good surgeon can have it done in little more than an hour.

and the 40 million Americans without insurance argument is always iffy with me as well. Contrary to press reports of gloom and doom. Hospitals do not turn people away. In fact they do tons of free work for people that can't afford it.

I won't deny that folks put off having work done because they can't afford it ... heck, I have insurance and I don't go to the doctor because I don't want to pay deductibles and co-pays ... but if a person truly needs something and can't afford it there are ways for them to have the work done (i.e. various charity groups, etc)

My brother needed braces to help with his front teeth coming in. (he had surgery when he was 3-4 years ago to remove his baby teeth, another set of teeth, some bone chips all in front of his adult teeth)

Well he needed the braces to get his front teeth in and it cost over $4000. my parents dental would only cover half of it, they would have had to pay the extra $2000, which no way could they afford.(both my parents are medically retired due to car accident injuries(dad) and disease(mother).

The doctor said they would only charge my mom the amount their insurance would cover and she wouldnt have to pay anything.

Don't think that people just have to pay up or gtfo here in america, when it comes to health insurance

two words can explain the drain on the system:

illegal aliens

right...cause there are so many ilegal aliens in michigan getting free dental work oOo:

we have far less than you but we still have the problem. The "Commiefornia" attitude cracks me up. Let them all over the border, they will do the jobs no one else wants.............. bullshit. They are invading our country. An act of war. Simple

I know nothing about Canadian health care besides the fact that it is public, and I'd go as far to say the reason for that is because the American media doesn't cover it all that much AT ALL, let alone one side.

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we have far less than you but we still have the problem. The "Commiefornia" attitude cracks me up. Let them all over the border, they will do the jobs no one else wants.............. bullshit. They are invading our country. An act of war. Simple[/quote:8341d]

What about when the mexican army crosses the border with a 44 truck convoy after katrina?

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we have far less than you but we still have the problem. The "Commiefornia" attitude cracks me up. Let them all over the border, they will do the jobs no one else wants.............. bullshit. They are invading our country. An act of war. Simple[/quote:bd111]

lmfao @ "An act of war."

NICE ONE!

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we have far less than you but we still have the problem. The "Commiefornia" attitude cracks me up. Let them all over the border, they will do the jobs no one else wants.............. bullshit. They are invading our country. An act of war. Simple[/quote:63500]lol, wtf, are you some kind of psychopath or something?

nope, I live in the real world

It's funny to me that other countries in the world shoot people that cross their borders ... or throw them in prison ... but we just let them stream across. But the real funny thing is that when somebody voices opposition to this policy they are said to be crazy.

Maybe we should just adopt the policies of the countries they are coming from. What is the penalty for being an alien in Mexico? I doubt it is a free education, free medical services and a job.

well I would call it a big concern, but not an act of war.

Ive been called crazy before and Im sure it will happen many more times in the future. I feel the borders are one of our nations greatest concerns but it seems our govt doesnt. In the next elections the person that says HE will fix the border problem will be a shoe in

i say we build a wall with snipers and landmindes.

what if the next person is a she? borders are a concern, but people coming over isnt an act of war and it certainly doesnt warrant a shooting.

1. it wont be a she, Billary wont make it


2. how about this. we offer them milk and cookies, then shoot them

but people in america are justified in shooting at trespassers...

I just think if we built a wall, it would be much harder for them to get in, and if we stationed snipers, they wouldn't even try. If they still tried, they knew what they were risking.

This thread got derailed fast.

I don't think a wall is the best idea that would logically fill our problem. I'm not sure what the answer is now, but I don't think a wall is a good idea.

I think you have a right to beef up border security - absolutely.

....But snipers? Maybe a bit too much.... Build a moat and put alligators in it. Or minefields...You don't want human's deciding whether or not to kill other humans over that - It would cause more shit than it would solve....

Minefields, with warnings, would be a deterant I'm sure. If they go and blow themselves up it's their own fault. There is no blame placed on a triggerman/sniper.

alright, I can settle for a moat with alligators, that sounds good.

I'm mildly amused but not a bit surprised at the chosen title for this thread. I watched the video and heard the guy from the national hurricane center say that he didn't know if the levees would be "topped". I never heard anyone say that the levees would break.

Besides, what was Bush supposed to do 2-3 days before the storm. It seems that Louisiana and New Orleans' democratic (and corrupt) leadership were content to sit on their asses and play it by ear, and yet the focus is put on the guy trying to run the entire country.

lol