I bet ya that if they were muslim, the equivalent to the Berlin wall would be put up across that boarder.

[quote=Tripper]LOL @ bold.[/quote:a0eb6]

you can bold anything you want to make it say what you want, but you're taking it out of context and distorting what I was saying. Here's what I'm trying to say. What they did to the flags IS disrespectful, you are wrong, but I'll give you that because you didn't know about american flag rules. As for me caring about them being disrespectful, I don't. I just think that the way illegals are making fun of America under their circumstances makes them look stupid and isn't very smart on their part. I don't care that they are doing it, it doesn't offend me, it's just funny that they are doing it. They can be disrespectful all they want, that's their right, it's just funny that they did it the way they did.

There, maybe that's more clear.

tripper, also another thing that c is trying to point out is that it should be higher than other flags yes... In other words, you can't put the confederate flag or your state flag above the national flag. I think he meant to say it that way than having a meaning of "The US is the best. We're bad ass. You can't be better than us."

again, it was a protest - rules and etiquette are generally not followed when people are protesting.

It's a shame when individual citizens don't follow the rules, disobey the flag, they need to go to jail. But when the government does it, breaking the consititution...well it's okay they get a free ride because its for a cause. rolleyes:

lol ya rly, he could have made that a bit clearer when we're talking about mexican and american flags without a mention of state flags...

I said the US flag should be flown, "higher than other flags on the same post or building" which I figured would naturally mean all flags, including state flags. Also, I'm pretty sure it was on the website I posted, but even so, I can see how I could have been more clear.

Machette, oOo: happy:

What I got from your statement is that you were pissed off that mexicans were flying their flag higher than the American flag, and that that is very disrespectful and that the american flag, as a rule, should always fly higher than any other flag because it is of a higher respect and a higher regard....
Without directly referencing state flags, and instead another nation's flag, you're basically saying america and its flag is of a higher respect and regard than other countries - especially mexico.

It doesn't really matter at all, but I notice a few people around here get rubbed the wrong way by you for no obvious reasons. I'd say its to do with subtle stuff like that...

freak:

yeah, I can see I was being unclear, I should have made it more clear that in America, the rule is that the American flag is flown the higher than state, municipal, and corporate flags out of respect. ok, glad that was resolved. beer:

how many people had two flags on one pole anyway, are we talking thousands or a dozen? all i saw were people with an american flag, or a flag from some other country. you guys arent making a big deal out of a single person in a crowd who had two flags on one pole and was prolly not too keen on flag etiquette, are you?

no, they had changed the flag arrangement at a high school. Again, read my posts, I don't care that they did it, but it's funny that they did considering the irony.

beer:

get a room you two biggrin:

lols the_finger: happy:

for once I wasn't talking about you.

That statement can easily be applied to any foreigner. Who were you implying it that towards then?

.......Immigrants are what America is made up of, what makes America unique, special. Immigrants are people from all over the world who come to America not to start trouble, but to start anew. People who are desperate for a new chance, a new life. How can we turn those people down, when each and every one of our ancestors was at one time an immigrant as well?(excluding those of you who of native american descent.)

The idiots that are against immigration are hyopcrits. They only care about themselves, and not about their fellow man. I myself am an immigrant, as well as my family. We came to America to get away from all the shit that was happening in Russia, to get away from Anti-Semitism.....to be able to live our lives the way we wanted.

Now as for illegal immigration, that is a different story. But regular immigration....there shouldn't even be a question as to whether we should allow it or not.

you're right about immigrants, but this issue is about illegal immigrants, it came up because of new legislation that would make illegal immigrants felons under federal law.

Nationalist need to die.

From those pictures I would say that these guys are doing more harm to their cause than good. I also think that they need to learn a little lesson in history themselves. Suppossedly the indians came across the Bering Strait from Asia. So who was here before them? Was it empty land? Or did they kill everybody that was here before and that population is lost to the sands of time? Who knows. Who cares. The "I was here first" argument is irrelevant at this point.

Immigration is what makes this country strong. IMHO, it is what makes this the best country in the world. We draw on cultural strengths from all over the world. And, usually the guy that has the balls to leave the comfort of home and come to America is going to be the same guy that makes a valuable contribution to society.

The problem with our southern border is that they are pouring over faster than they can be assimilated and that causes problems. As somebody said above, they are illegal. 'nuff said.

BTW - I'm not in favor of amnesty either. President Clinton already did that once. All it did was lead to an increase in guys sneaking over here, in hopes that we would do it again (that last part is only my opinion of why they are coming in increasing numbers)

if you try and convict immigrants as felons, then we're gonna have to pay for the legal, administrative and incarceration fees associated with putting them through the legal and prison systems.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46227 lmao

you're right. which is one reason why I think we need to focus on making it harder for illegals to come in in the future but allow current illegals to continue working unless the commit crimes.

ok, i can agree with that.

I'm not sure I get the point. Preventing them from coming here, and prosecuting illegals is part of the cost of doing business, so to speak. Should we not prosecute murderers because it costs alot to fight it all the way to the Supreme Court and then to incarcerate them from the rest of their lives? What about white collar crime? What's a little insider trading among friens? Should we save money by not going after them? I know! Let's give them all amnesty as long as they promise never to do it again! Puhleese.

If their illegal, the only way they should be allowed to keep "continue working unless they commit crimes", is if their current job is pounding rocks in a Federal prison.

cost to deport illegals




[quote:2e4ff]As Congress debates immigration reforms, some experts say the most extreme proposal — deporting millions of illegal immigrants — would be a huge legal and logistical morass, and ruinously expensive, too.
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Officials at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, which would be responsible for deportations, said they have no projections on what it would take to rid the United States of an estimated 12 million people.

But the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington, has put the cost at $215 billion over five years.

The study assumed that a crackdown would prompt a quarter of the nation's illegal immigrants to leave voluntarily, leaving 9 million men, women and children to deport.

"I think a lot of people are making emotional calls on this issue without thinking through the cost to taxpayers," said study author Rajeev Goyle, a lecturer at Wichita State University. "It would be an unbearable cost that would bankrupt the treasury. It would cost more annually than the entire budget of the Department of
Homeland Security, twice that of the annual cost of the war in
Iraq."

Finding and catching people would be the most expensive part, about $158 billion, Goyle said. The study calculated it would cost an additional $34 billion to detain them, $3 billion for extra beds, $11 billion for legal processing and $9 billion to put them on buses or airplanes.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., author of a get-tough immigration bill, said the government has no intention of trying to deport 12 million people.

"Nobody is seriously proposing that, because that will require a massive infiltration of law enforcement officials and will disrupt the economy," said Sensenbrenner told CBS' "Face the Nation" this week.

But his bill and several others would make living in the United States illegally a felony. And felons without legal immigration status are subject to deportation.

In 2004, the Department of Homeland Security deported about 200,000 people; an additional 1,035,000 returned to their countries of origin when caught by federal authorities, according to the Office of Immigration Statistics.

Ira Mehlman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates limits on immigration, said he does not believe a mass deportation "has ever been seriously suggested. It's the straw man that proponents of amnesty set out there so they can set it on fire."

FAIR's projection is that if current laws protecting the borders and penalizing employers who hire illegal workers are enforced, many illegal immigrants will leave the country.

"Once we get their numbers down, cut in half say, or three quarters, what you do with those that remain, that's something we can figure out," he said. "It becomes a more manageable problem. Three million is obviously better than 12 million."

Mehlman said military bases could be converted to detention centers, buses and airplanes could be arranged to take people back to the country of their birth, and legal processes could be streamlined.

Peter Schey, president and executive director of the Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law Foundation, said it would be "absolutely absurd, impossible" to protect the legal rights of millions of people facing deportation.

"Unless you want to schedule deportation hearings 20 or 30 years into the future, there's no way it could be done," he said.

Carlos Portillo, who owns La Fuente Restaurant, one of the most popular restaurants in Tucson, Ariz., said the sudden loss of workers from mass deportations would be economically devastating for this country.

"Right now everything that's happening in the United States, the restaurant and hospitality industry, all the housing and building construction, all the farming, this is being done mainly by illegal immigrants," he said. "This country needs these illegal workers more than the illegal workers need this country."[/quote:2e4ff]

may god bless america! ed:

Re: white collar crimes
 

Try dying in a gutter

What the hell?