To quote the people wanting Imus fire... "How do you know [they] mean it in that context?"

That's Brad Richards. Richards....Michael...get it?

Bah, fuck it.

/joke SAILS over head

Because they're refering to other men.

If you're comparing that to imus, then I would have had to say something along the lines of "when they use the N-word in rap songs theyre refeing to men in a JOKING manner," for what you just posted to make sense - Seeing as people attacking Imus were questioning whether the context of his statement was infact a joke or was it a serious racial attack. They weren't questioning the gender of the people he was referring to.



How old are you?

apparently he has a history of "poorly chosen words" which, if true, carries alot of weight, i mean, the guy could be a flat out racist and just doesnt hide it very well, you never know. or hes just an old guy who isnt too keen on what words are socially ok to use.

this is actually one case where alot of this pop-rap may be showing its consequences. you cant expect a 90 year old to understand that what these rappers are saying is not ok for you to use even in a joke. i can image it being a pretty confusing situation for old people.

Imus must be a big deal if it's got New Zealander's paties in a bunch.

Funny thing is the foreigner knows the most about it.

America... fuck yeah.

I didn't know so many people gave that much of a shit.

this is the 2000's America, where feelings are #1

wow..they canned him eek: oOo:

It has my paties in a bunch? oOo:

How? Since when is having an opinion on something considered being pissed off?

I retract my statement. You have an opinion.

are you surprised? Equality will never be achieved in this world where people keep pointing out/embracing their differences. Once people are able to ignore comments like "nappy headed hos" and not feel that "their proud history is being disrespected," equality will have been achieved. Diversity and Affirmative Action are just bringing down the idea that "everyone was created equal", since all it does is make people feel more superior than others.

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":0210a]are you surprised? Equality will never be achieved in this world where people keep pointing out/embracing their differences. Once people are able to ignore comments like "nappy headed hos" and not feel that "their proud history is being disrespected," equality will have been achieved. Diversity and Affirmative Action are just bringing down the idea that "everyone was created equal", since all it does is make people feel more superior than others.[/quote:0210a]

Can you say that blacks feel more superior with Affirmative Action?

I know if I had the governement openly admitting that I couldn't get a job because I was born with off white skin it wouldn't make me feel so superior.

huh? msnbc dropped his program that they simulcasted, he still does it for cbs and whatever other stations hes syndicated on.

Snoop Dogg did a rather disturbing interview today when they asked him why he can say "hos" and whatnot in his songs, and his response is because he's grown up in tough neighborhoods so it's ok that he says that. Double standard.

My whole point of the debate is not to defend Imus, but to put it across that the Rutgers girls team and any African American woman should look at their own people before they start playing the racist/sexist card on other people. Just look at any rapper, they use the words like it's nothing, and in the music videos the women are portrayed as objects. Yet we don't see African Americans or Al Sharpton protesting them, they have those rappers on their iPod.

Truth is, Imus said an apology and that was more than enough. The fight between blacks and whites has been around since the beginning of time and isn't going anywhere soon. It's sad but true. But it's situations like these where people backlash against each other that feeds it rather than heals it.

I'll stop by NBC tomorrow after class and say a prayer for Imus.

yeah, i'm pretty sure his television show was just canceled. The "simulcast" is the video of him doing his show that they put on tv, like the Howard Stern show used to be on E! or whatever channel it was on.

yea his morning tv show is gone, is radio show is still on(for now)

I know he will get canned, it will be a total overeactionary deed but will be done just to make everyone shitting a brick over it STFU

my question to you guys (white) is is there ever a time when a black person says something about whites that you ever get offended?

It's usually on the news for a day and brushed off the next day. White's aren't that dramatic as their counterparts.

Sparks, you're full of it. Generalising all over the place. You're as racist as they come simply because you're putting all blacks into a single negative catergory.

Too bad the most outspoken people are generally the more ignorant.

Please don't send Jesse Jackson to my door, please.

Nope.

why not?

Because it just doesn't matter to me. I live my life. For myself. I either succeed or fail in my life because of my own actions. What somebody else thinks or says about myself as a person, or myself as a white person, makes no difference on the outcome of my life.

Imus already took the high road by apologizing. Why can't Rutgers, the NAACP, or anybody else for that matter do the same and accept that apology? It looks very childish from my perspective.

blacks only get super offended, because society programs them from birth to take huge offense to anything that may be considered remotly racist. its why if most black people here you using the "n word" they will automatically become confrontational and usually want to fight over it.

i dont understand it at all. why get so pissed off over someone calling you what you are? unless your ashamed of who you are? people call me cracker, redneck, white boy, etc and i could care less, i'm proud of who i am.

i think it all boils down to most blacks and minorities in general have a huge inferiority complex that they need to get over.

[quote:bb547]i dont understand it at all. why get so pissed off over someone calling you what you are? unless your ashamed of who you are? people call me cracker, redneck, white boy, etc and i could care less, i'm proud of who i am. [/quote:bb547]

Easily the DUMBEST fucking thing you've ever said, and more than enough proof why you should just be kicked off the fucking island. I mean does anyone even have a good thing to say about you.

Do you, an admitted racist even fucking know the history that makes you a piece of shit racist, or when the time came for you to study American history instead of listening you were day dreaming of fucking your sister in the ass (or rather, your brother as everyone knows the Neo-Nazi American movement is full of latent homosexuals. . .how else to account for the irrational hatred of another group of people - you hate what sin you see in yourself). There is NOTHING racially identifying about NIGGER beyond its negative historical use. Saying it IS who blacks are is no more intelligent than saying Jews are kikes - well maybe a bad example since if its not the blacks its the Jews.

What gets me the most about shits stains on the Hanes™ of Life like yourself, is that youd have none of this bravado face to face to a black person, none of this "it's just a word" - unless you had your posse right where you like them - perched right behind your ass. Thats why your statement is full of shit "Eames" (as if calling you by your last name makes you fucking cool. . .and if its your first name - well then your mother deserves two black eyes - one for naming you, and the other for birthin' ya) - because you can't back it up with any personal conviction. A man is a man not by who he surrounds himself with, but by who he is when he's alone - and you alone Eames, I'm guessing aren't shit.

Shalom

[quote="TGB!":aa133][quote:aa133]i dont understand it at all. why get so pissed off over someone calling you what you are? unless your ashamed of who you are? people call me cracker, redneck, white boy, etc and i could care less, i'm proud of who i am. [/quote:aa133]

Easily the DUMBEST fucking thing you've ever said, and more than enough proof why you should just be kicked off the fucking island. I mean does anyone even have a good thing to say about you.

Do you, an admitted racist even fucking know the history that makes you a piece of shit racist, or when the time came for you to study American history instead of listening you were day dreaming of fucking your sister in the ass (or rather, your brother as everyone knows the Neo-Nazi American movement is full of latent homosexuals. . .how else to account for the irrational hatred of another group of people - you hate what sin you see in yourself). There is NOTHING racially identifying about n***** beyond its negative historical use. Saying it IS who blacks are is no more intelligent than saying Jews are kikes - well maybe a bad example since if its not the blacks its the Jews.

What gets me the most about shits stains on the Hanes™ of Life like yourself, is that youd have none of this bravado face to face to a black person, none of this "it's just a word" - unless you had your posse right where you like them - perched right behind your ass. Thats why your statement is full of shit "Eames" (as if calling you by your last name makes you fucking cool. . .and if its your first name - well then your mother deserves two black eyes - one for naming you, and the other for birthin' ya) - because you can't back it up with any personal conviction. A man is a man not by who he surrounds himself with, but by who he is when he's alone - and you alone Eames, I'm guessing aren't shit.

Shalom[/quote:aa133]

Fucking owned. beer:

[quote="Chronic Diarrhea":2dd53]Because it just doesn't matter to me. I live my life. For myself. I either succeed or fail in my life because of my own actions. What somebody else thinks or says about myself as a person, or myself as a white person, makes no difference on the outcome of my life.

Imus already took the high road by apologizing. Why can't Rutgers, the NAACP, or anybody else for that matter do the same and accept that apology? It looks very childish from my perspective.[/quote:2dd53]

Same when someone calls me a cracker i could care less. Its just a fucking word.

(In reality i set my mind at ease calling them a nigger in my head.............................................. ........................jay kay i dont do that)

i do.. but its more of like a silent torets type thing, sometimes i just really want to yell obscene things at people

If you think you can compare the offensiveness of the word cracker with nigger then you're missing the point.


Jeez, you'd think after the whole slavery, segregation, hundreds of years of mistreatment thing that it wouldnt be so hard for whites to avoid saying one word that has no other use except as racial slander. I mean, its not as if they got their 40 acres or their mule. A little lee-way here shouldn't be that big of a deal.

I get by fine day to day without saying the word. I also don't call jews kikes or asians ching chong chinks. Seriously, why do you guys want to be able to say the word so bad?
...and don't say because they're allowed to call you cracker and you don't get offended, that you should be able to call them nigger or coon or anything like that....because there is a serious difference.

[quote="TGB!":3af7f]


"Eames" . .and if its your first name - well then your mother deserves two black eyes - one for naming you,
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lol @ this statement coming from a black guy named Percy

its all an agenda hollywood can get by saying shit against jews like in borat - but news radio is shut down for this?

[quote="mR.cLeAn":ff128]hollywood can get by saying shit against jews like in borat - [/quote:ff128]
ummm sacha cohen IS jewish though

[quote="mR.cLeAn":847fa]its all an agenda hollywood can get by saying shit against jews like in borat - but news radio is shut down for this?[/quote:847fa]

that's different, Borat is played by a jew. If you use a stereotype about a group, it's ok as long as you are a member of that group (apparently)

And Tripper, I'm not sure if I'm buying this stuff about slavery and all that. Slavery happened and it was bad but why should we treat people differently because of what happened in the past? Where do the "playing field levelers" end?

The solution to inequality is not inequality. Gandhi made a good point about ends and means that I just learned about in one of my classes. He said that the means should be the ends (speaking of nonviolence), meaning if the ends were peace, the means had to be peaceful (nonviolent). I think that this can be applied here as well, if the end goal is equality, then equality should be the means to achieve it. We can't keep distinguishing groups based on who is allowed to say what and what is acceptable and what isn't and who gets affirmative action or preferential treatment because of skin color. (I'll bet the Gandhi stuff sounds pretentious, but I'm only including it because I just heard about it and I think it's relevant to this issue)

Whites who seriously want to be able to use it in public without negative reaction is a very small portion.

In some ways, I think the media completely blowing this out of proportion is going to hurt black rights and people like Al Sharpton far more than they know. Intelligent people can see that:

1) Imus has made these remarks for 30 years about all kinds of people. He's a shock jock, he's not a politician or a national pundit.

2) The comment was a shitty attempt at humor. The entire conversation tried to emulate the language used by rappers. Why, I don't know. He's an old man.

3) The comment was stupid. It was insulting, and ill-informed. I don't think anybody as a decent human being will argue that.



Now, while I really am sick and tired of this story dominating the news (it should have been a brief story), I can see why it is going to dominate the airwaves for the next week, and possibly longer. People all over the place here in the U.S. are asking themselves questions on the status of race and racism; even the basic laws and foundations of our nation. It's been surmounting over the last 3-5 years, and this may push a lot of people over the edge.

The problem is the media is making this look lie Imus has committed a crime. A crime for saying words. It reminds me of the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, in which it was against the law to say anything negative about the President. To make this story short, it eventually degenerated into men getting beaten up or killed at times over comments made in places like town bars. John Peter Zenger was thrown in prison for 8 months over comments he published. Now you may be saying, "Come on, governmental slander and libel has nothing to do with what a radio personality says." Fine, but where does it stop from here? Who is next? The issue becomes one of asking the question, "Who is safe, and likewise who is prone to being persecuted over comments?" The answer should be: EVERYBODY should be equally at risk.

That's the problem. Al Sharpton doesn't care to be equal and fair about this, or any other issue that arises. If he is truly concerned with civil rights, then that means defending all types of people, to achieve the ultimate goal of eliminating the recognization that there are "types" of people to begin with. I don't see him demanding an apology from that black stripper who accused the Duke Lacrosse boys of raping her. Her actions have severely tarnished the lives of those men far more than some juvenile comments made from afar.

More and more white people are beginning to feel as if today's black leaders expect us to wear a scarlet letter for our history. More whites feel as if they're being persecuted by today's black leaders. Men like Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and many others are building a dangerous sentiment. That sentiment is one where white people are starting to have a very sour taste in their mouth when they hear the phrase "civil rights".

These Sharpton-ites are definitely distancing themselves from white people on a daily basis. They're beginning to scare white people away from even feeling like they can communicate with black people, because it's going to get to the point where you have to tip-toe around whenever you're discussing black culture, people, or ideas. I'll give you my own personal experience of this. In just the past 3-4 years, I have heard many of my white friends, some who I would never expect it from (liberals), discuss how they are sick of this entire thing. One person even said they can sense the hate from blacks as they interact with them on a daily basis. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, et.al are installing these feelings into the hearts and minds of young black people all across the nation.

This isn't a political issue. Imus shares many liberal views on politics and social issues. Howard Stern, a noted liberal, commented, "He's apologizing like its his first broadcast job. Tell them, 'Fuck you,its a joke.'"

There will eventually be a breaking point, much similar to McCarthyism, where America stands up and says, "NO MORE OF THIS." Only this time, it's not going to be an issue of falsely accusing people of being Communist, but rather falsely accusing people of racism, in an attempt to destroy the lives and careers of said individuals.

I'm not even touching this fucking thread.


/carry on

itch is too ugly to live...

...all ugly girls should be called ugly...nappy headed HO.

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happy:

The essential point you're making then, is that you dont want black people to be offended when you say the word nigger....because thats the one thing I was referring to in my post.

Good luck getting that to happen.

no, you're right about "nigger" but what I'm saying is that we shouldn't base our lives or speech around the idea that something is owed to certain people and that they deserve special treatment to "get even" with how they were treated in the past.

I guess my point was more of a sidenote than a direct response to what you said, but the mention of slavery got me on the issue.