[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":5c586]ya, unharmful violence is bad. I feel we need more undisciplined, disrespectful punks in this world too...[/quote:5c586]

i'm sorry to hear that you think violence is the only solution to a problem. and what the fuck is 'unharmful violence'?

[quote:1b556]i like how arkan condones police brutality. i love how you think violence is always ok arkan, let it be towards citizens from officers, or from fathers to their children. [/quote:1b556]

Upon second viewing there was ONE questionable situation, the girl. A situation that was elevated when the kids tried to INTERFERE with the man detaining the girl (which the cop has EVERY right to do - hell she had a skateboard in hand, what the fuck was he supposed to think) - the same fella who RAN from the cop.

If this is police brutality man, then fuck it - we just need to get rid of them all, and but everyone on the honor system.

The SINGLE cop was detaining UNCOOPERATIVE suspects. Sorry, but there are situations where force is needed. Unless of course a solution would have been to let them go - which isnt a solution at all.

The video does a piss poor job of documenting the totality of the circumstances. I would suspect there was some creative editing. I sincerely doubt that the underlying cause of the arrests were simply skateboarding. In fact, if you listen closely, the arrest was for fleeing when the first kid was told to stop for violating the city ordinance. Ordinance violations would rarely result in a physical arrest in and of itself.

Let us, for the moment, assume that the underlying cause for the arrest was legitimate, and focus on the tactics of the officers. I see nothing wrong up until the point at which he grabs the girl, who also attempts to flee when told she was going to be detained (admittedly, I have a hard time making out the audio at this point, so I don't know what exactly is said, but the officer seems to be ordering them towards the wall or something).

The officer quickly grabs the girl with an arm around the neck. Now, that is a poor tactic regardless. It affords little or no control. I think the officer should have immediately transitioned to a more effective measure which would have prevented the appearance that he was choking her.

As for the second guy - the one that tried to body slam the officer or something (I'm not sure what the purpose of that move was) in order to interfere with the arrest, I would have likely punched him. For whatever reason, the officer grabbed that guy around the neck too.....again, a wholly useless move that accomplishes little more than looking worse than it it.

[quote="TGB!":b2846][quote:b2846]i like how arkan condones police brutality. i love how you think violence is always ok arkan, let it be towards citizens from officers, or from fathers to their children. [/quote:b2846]

Upon second viewing there was ONE questionable situation, the girl. A situation that was elevated when the kids tried to INTERFERE with the man detaining the girl (which the cop has EVERY right to do - hell she had a skateboard in hand, what the fuck was he supposed to think) - the same fella who RAN from the cop.

If this is police brutality man, then fuck it - we just need to get rid of them all, and but everyone on the honor system.

The SINGLE cop was detaining UNCOOPERATIVE suspects. Sorry, but there are situations where force is needed. Unless of course a solution would have been to let them go - which isnt a solution at all.[/quote:b2846]

i wasn't implying that this situation was an instance of police brutality, it was more of a general statement towards arkan's general statement. obviously there are going to be instances when force is necessary, i would never deny that.


one thing to note is that there were two cops, and watch the behaviour of the second one. his nonchalant attitude makes me believe that the situation didn't need to get as severe as it did. he also had mase, that would have solved everything pretty easily than pulling a stone cold steve austin.

I just dont agree with the actions the police officer took. There has to be NO crime in that town for the police officer to react the way he did. The kids were skateboarding...sure, it was against the law, but it was only skateboarding. If the officer mased the kids, I would be fucking shocked.

[quote="TGB!":fe0ff]I agree, there are gross instances of police brutality, and several on here support it - the first thing that pops in my mind is the cop-killer getting the shit beat out of him, and the folks here accepting that it happened when he jumped out of a window. . . oOo: [/quote:fe0ff]

Yeah, there's no reason for any cop to take his job so personal. Most cops I know would say that they never take any call personally. They do their job, and if a situation arises where they have to intervene, they do it in a tactical manner to protect themselves from harm. I think most good cops would tell you that putting anybody in a choke hold, especially two people at once like that, doesn't provide the officer with any safety. It would be pretty easy for the suspect to stab the officer in the side in that position.

As for this particular situation, I don't agree with the ordinance to prohibit skateboarding. Then again, I don't live in the area, and unless any of us do, we can't make a precise judgment on whether the ordinance is good or not. I'm presuming those kids refused to leave the area after the officer told them the area was restricted to skateboarding. If they refused to leave, then technically under law they can be given a citation, it's just a matter of how strict the cop is in enforcing the law.

It would be like me getting a parking ticket on campus, then bitching to the cop and telling him I'm not going to move my car. Then when he calls to have it towed, I start bitching and whining about how I'm not doing anything wrong.

[quote="TGB!":96d4e][quote:96d4e]i like how arkan condones police brutality. i love how you think violence is always ok arkan, let it be towards citizens from officers, or from fathers to their children. [/quote:96d4e]

Upon second viewing there was ONE questionable situation, the girl. A situation that was elevated when the kids tried to INTERFERE with the man detaining the girl (which the cop has EVERY right to do - hell she had a skateboard in hand, what the fuck was he supposed to think) - the same fella who RAN from the cop.

If this is police brutality man, then fuck it - we just need to get rid of them all, and but everyone on the honor system.

The SINGLE cop was detaining UNCOOPERATIVE suspects. Sorry, but there are situations where force is needed. Unless of course a solution would have been to let them go - which isnt a solution at all.[/quote:96d4e]

sure, there are situations where force is needed, like if a drunk is being belligerent and threatening other people or some bullshit like that. these kids were sober (as far as anyone can tell) and only telling the cop to calm down and he puts them in headlocks. to me, thats complete bullshit.

the video is obviously not telling the entire story... especially when it starts off with the cop giving the kid a choke hold. You can't assume the cop just went ahead and choked the kid unprovoked, like the video leads you to believe.

[quote="TGB!":e6747]That would be well and good, if it was the job of the person BREAKING THE LAW to tell the LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER what to do. It's not. He tells one to sit down, she starts to walk away and is THEN put in a headlock, and the one who had ALREADY fled, attempts to intervene - he is then put in a headlock, and now gets a charge of resisting arrest.

I would say the officer reacted the way he did when they started showing a lack of respect to the cop. They could have shut their mouthes, sat down and accepted their punishment - instead they tried to punk the cop, and instead got punked themselves. I have zero sympathy for little shits like that who try to equivocate the fact that they FUCKED UP.

As for it being a stupid law - wanna know why its a law - because of assholes LIKE THAT who have ruined it for every other skateboarder out there.[/quote:e6747]
you would think differently if you were one of those kids and saw your friend getting manhandled by a cop, who to me seems like he is overly-energetic and unaware of his strength.

i understand that they were breaking the law and the video was definitely one sided, but i dont think anything a TEENAGER could say to the officer would make him so pissed off. the officer should have some more self control and if he really wants to get his authority across, he should use his words more effectively and not his fore-arm on someone's throat.

my friends got arrested after they hopped a fence to get into a skate park late at night. they were cuffed and taken to the station. all they had to do was write an essay discussing trespassing. if you ask me, trespassing is much worse than skateboarding in a public place.

Anti, i thought you were pretty intelligent and would be able to understand what i was saying. When you break the law and take your lumps like a man, it can be anything from a lecture, a ticket, or being arrested. It's not the end of the world if either of that happens, just don't act like a shitbag and think you're the one being picked on, like those fucktard kids. And yeah, i expect to get my ass kicked by my father if i disrespected a cop and got in the way of his duties. I thought every kid alive had the thought of pissing off their father in the back of their mind whilst out and about. That kinda helps keep your shit on the level, if you know what i mean.

Yeah, i did some retarded things as a kid and even had to deal with the police on occassion. I never disrespected them so i never got my ass kicked from them. If dad didn't find out, all was well. If he did, i had to go home and face the music. Not like today with these spoiled fuckers.

Just to remind you......remember a few years back when i caught 3 kids fucking with my car? The outcome was 1 kid got arrested and the others let go. Why did it unfold like that?....because the kids cooperated and there was no need to arrest the other 2. One thing to note, when confronted, the parents of the kid that got arrested told me a heavy punishment was on the way for him and i've yet to see that kid ever again near my house since. I'd like to think he learned a lesson and moved past the matter.

the kids broke the law

the kids are fucking idiots

these kids are what makes me scared of what the world will be like when they run it

but still...the cop is fucked up to do that much...just let em go it's only skateboarding...but these punk kids do think they're invincible

some of those who work forces...are the same that burn crosses.

yes, although i think it was the "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" part that bought them undone.

...you do know its illegal to beat your kids....right?

we all agree what they did was illegal, but putting a teenage girl in a headlock is going too far.

if they were black or hispanic teenage boys they would have been shot

calmdown:

so true

And thats why kids today are cheeky little rat bastards, they've never had a good slapping from time to time.

IMO that little shit in the white instigated and instigated, just shut the fuck up. He kept goading and goading the cop with little shit head remarks

I would have laughed at the cop if he tried to pull that shit. OH NOES! I get in the smallest amount of trouble possible.

I like how the skateboarders will tell you that its a whole way of life and that skateboarding is so deep and all this shit.

but when he gets in trouble for it he breaks it down to the most basic level

"You are arresting us for riding pieces of wood?"

Thats really the beauty of it. Taking something so basic and having so much fun with it.

and thinking you're the fucking shit cuz of it

oh all the cocky groups in high school the msot hated was always the skaters cuz they thought they were so cool..but really they were the joke.

cuz

i guess the bible is wrong in saying corporal punishment (spanking) is ok?

So, you never got hit by your parents?

........wonder how you'll bring up your kids. I guess it'll be alright if they tell you to go fuck yourself because a "time out" won't help in that situation. Good luck and get back to me when your kids are 18.

ditto

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Beat them with the wood. rock:

what in the fuck

I've only met one cool skater in my whole life..he hung out with the other skaters of course...and they thought they were the shit. They all sucked ass...but my friend was amazing...he didn't act like he was the shit...or even care. The attitude I saw on that video reminds me of that group of skaters I know, disrespectful, rude, and obviously breaking the law. If there was a sign saying "No Skateboarding" then don't do it. That right there tells me they were trying to get under the cops nerves.

Now the cop was choking a kid with his hand...wtf... oOo: Didn't I read somewhere that the kid was 13? Then getting the girl in the headlock... eek: I don't think this is police brutality at all..simply because I think some key elements were edited from the video. At the end of the video the two kids say, happy skateboarding day, or something...why don't they just shut the fuck up.

I'm in the middle of this, but I am a little bit more on the cop's side, simply because those skaters probably edited the video of them flagrantly breaking the law.

Skateboarding and skaters are fine until they get like that....which is what the skateboarding community likes to represent themselves as..."We don't give a fuck"

What in your fuck?

geez, kids today never heard of a slap in the ass?

In?

I see what you're saying, but youre suggesting people that dont beat their kids are gonna have a hard time when they're teenagers. I dunno about what it was like for you growing up - but I never lived in fear of the physical wrath of my father, or the local police or anyone. I lived in fear of letting down my parents, and I may not show it on here, but off the internet Im very well behaved.

Trip, that's exactly the balance. It isn't about fear, it's about respect. Sometimes you obtain it through a kick in the ass, sometimes just a chat. When i was a kid, i respected my father but when i over stepped the line (like getting in trouble with the law), you knew there was an ass beating ahead. It was a part of my life and most of the kids i grew up with during that time. The fear would kick in though if you did get into alot of trouble. Seems like those kids didn't have that fear, nor the respect for the police enforcing the law.

I find it hard to believe, by the way some of you guys here (Jotun, Anti) reacted to my comments, that you NEVER got a kick in the ass by your father. Well, perhaps you two were perfect angels and never got it trouble.

b a sk8a...not a h8a rock:

Im with you ArKin, If you got in trouble at school and they called home you could count on an ass kickin when you got home.

The one kid that just kept runnin his mouth, not long ago he would have gotten a night stick in the mouth and told to shut up and I expect he would have. The officer would have gotten a pat on the back and a well done.

Now the police cant do their job without someone cryin about abuse or wanting to sue because the cuffs were too tight.

I say we go back to the old days,the kid gives the cop shit, the cops kicks the kids ass and tells him to stay off the sidewalk with the skateboard....and he does.

case closed.

you're an idiot. why dont you take a fucking second to get to know them rather than being the pathetic pale "young adult" that you are talking shit about them on the internet?

all my friends skate and they dont make a big deal about it. they just like to skate. we go to the skate park all the time and thrash, maybe you guys should try it sometime. they are all good people too, especially when it comes to people outside our group.

and arkan, my parents are awesome people that never hit me or my brother or sister, and we are fine. theres more to discipline than fear of physical beating.

jeeeeezuz Jotun, i think you are being narrow minded here. Dont get me wrong Im not trying to be an ass but i think the reason why you are still arguing is because of this "all my friends skate and they dont make a big deal about it." I understand that your friends might be cool but not every skater is.

Arkan isnt saying that a physical beating is needed everytime. sLet me put is this way; some kids get their asses beat by their parents almost every fucking time they get in trouble but they keep getting in trouble...

I think what Arkan is trying to tell you is that sometimes a physical beating might make a kid understand that what he did was wrong - on another cases just a chat might make a kid understand that...Is not about the fear (of getting beat) but rather about consequence...if you do something wrong suspect some sort of punishment afterwards...

Obviously this thread is addressing 2 different generations of people each obviously brought up differently by what society deemed acceptable at the time.


Arkan obviously got the occasional smack growing up, so did i. Its deemed draconian these days..coincidently kids today are cheeky arrogant little fucks that are in dire need of a good beating. Sorry but "grounding" kids these days does fuck all, you may as well sentence them to go constantly play their playstation all weekend as thats obviously what theyre gonna end up doing. if you take the console away they'll find something else to amuse them. Whereas a good foot in the ass would more than likely make them think twice.


People these days wanting to be parents should have to undergo some kind of training, mainly because parents these days let their kids run wild and they don't really give a fuck what they do.