"Rogue Spear, SOF, Operation Flashpoint, Swat3, Project IGI... need any more?"

You call SOF realistic? you can take of someones head with a Desert Eagle from agross a court-yard. If that's the kind of blood and realism you want then you don't want realistic blood, you want "Evil Dead" style blood.

"The whole game is just pixels."

So why are you all upset over the exclusion of a few red ones?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -DJK-:
I can just imagine how many posts there are gonna be on here when this game is released, saying, "Wheres the blood!? Every other FPS has it!".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Damn right...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SoLiDUS:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Damn right...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yep, I can already see it. No offence to 2015, but they have to wake up and smell the pc gamers. We are not 3rd graders that play Playstation, we are pc gamers! We are human beings! I am not an elephant!!

They should call it a "pseudo-realistic" war game instead. Maybe we'll have less ticked off weenies this way.. ?

Furthermore, as I've so clearly been pointing out since the beginning of this useless debate, there will be patch after patch adding this and that to the game.. You'll have your blood and guts..

Hell, can you say MODS ?

BTW, no offence to Playstation players. There are old people that play it also, but I've seen kids as young as 7 years old playing it.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Recycled Spooge:
I am not an elephant!!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quit your lieing.

"Why shouldn't it be blood that is excluded?

Because the whole game is about war, and war is about shooting people, and when you shoot people, they bleed. Thats simple enough, isn't it?

"You seem quite ready to dump other features (the leaves)"

I'd rather have some blood than see each individual leaf on a tree. If they can do the leaves AND the blood, great, but I wouldn't sacrifice blood for ANYTHING. Most FPS's don't.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SoLiDUS:
They should call it a "pseudo-realistic" war game instead. Maybe we'll have less ticked off weenies this way.. ?

Furthermore, as I've so clearly been pointing out since the beginning of this useless debate, there will be patch after patch adding this and that to the game.. You'll have your blood and guts..

Hell, can you say MODS ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't wait to hear things like "it's not bloody enough".

Anyone ever play a game called Blood?

"Because the whole game is about war, and war is about shooting people, and when you shoot people, they bleed. Thats simple enough, isn't it?"

When you get shot you feel pain, but that's not happening now is it? I don't wan't another Doom or SOF, "Thats simple enough, isn't it?"

"I'd rather have some blood than see each individual leaf on a tree. If they can do the leaves AND the blood, great, but I wouldn't sacrifice blood for ANYTHING. Most FPS's don't."

So I suppose WWII GI rocks because it had blood. I take your whole world revolves around this blood thing, if your not willing to look at any other point of view why bother arguing? The simple fact remains -- there is NO blood.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Recycled Spooge:
Anyone ever play a game called Blood?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yup -- it's the one where you shoot monks and zombies right?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans:

Yup -- it's the one where you shoot monks and zombies right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes and yes. Lots of blood, and you start inside a grave. I recommend this game for people who want blood.

"You call SOF realistic? you can take of someones head with a Desert Eagle from agross a court-yard."

Yeah, that part is sort of unrealistic, but a lot of SOF's violence is.

"So why are you all upset over the exclusion of a few red ones?"

I was only responding to your calling blood just red pixels. I'm not talking bad about pixels or anything, lol http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

"Yeah, that part is sort of unrealistic, but a lot of SOF's violence is."

And that would be the whole reason I don't want them taking out all the great features just to add some blood to the game (it will be here in MOD form anyway).

"I was only responding to your calling blood just red pixels. I'm not talking bad about pixels or anything, lol"

Then just what is the blood?

Christ almighty, shut the hell up. DJK you just dont know when to stop whining do you ?? You whinging little turd, there is NO blood, ever since the beginning of this game back on Playstation there has been NO blood, and NEVER will be blood. Why is it that you have blood in every topic in this forum that has to do with "realism" ?? Do you have some kind of sick obsession with it ?? If you want blood, go to the nearest Army recruiting office and sign up for the nearest war zone. I'm sure when your there you wont like it a damn bit. Maybe you could tell us of your experiences. I'm sure you'll be having flashbacks and bad dreams the rest of your life, but hey, if you want blood then damn, you gotta do what you gotta do.
“This isn’t an educational title but it provides an opportunity to run a little bit of history and provide a long overdue salute to all those who fought." Thats what Cpt Dale Dye said about this game, and I dont see how you can salute the fallen by seeing them blown to hell and back. As far as I'm concerned, this game is all about respect as much as it is about having fun. how about you show some maturity and shut up mate.

"I take your whole world revolves around this blood thing, if your not willing to look at any other point of view why bother arguing?"

No, I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying that just having blood makes for a good game. Of course it has to have good AI and good levels and every thing else, but blood is ALSO an important part.

"Why is it that you have blood in every topic in this forum that has to do with "realism" ??"

Maybe because blood is a large part of the realism of a fps that's about a WAR.

"If you want blood, go to the nearest Army recruiting office and sign up for the nearest war zone."

Or I could just play one of the many realistic FPS's that decide to include it.

"how about you show some maturity and shut up mate."

I don't believe I'M the one who's lacking in maturity here.


[This message has been edited by -DJK- (edited June 12, 2001).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -DJK-:
[B}No, I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying that just having blood makes for a good game. Of course it has to have good AI and good levels and every thing else, but blood is ALSO an important part. [/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is what I have been saying, but you have used lines such as "but I wouldn't sacrifice blood for ANYTHING". You gave me the impression that nothing mattered to you but blood. If that's your stand point then fine, let's just wait for the MOD so we can enjoy blood and gameplay.

Of course I care about gameplay as well. If there is indeed a mod that adds blood, then I most likely WILL be buying MOH:AA.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -DJK-:
Of course I care about gameplay as well. If there is indeed a mod that adds blood, then I most likely WILL be buying MOH:AA. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There will be a MOD, there is even a spot on the MOHAA official homepage that is to be used for listing MODs.

You dont believe your the one lacking in maturity, and I am ? By going on and on about this topic for which there is a definate and very clear answer, which is, NO BLOOD AND GORE, your certainly showing a clear case of immaturity by continuing on about it.

"Christ almighty, shut the hell up. DJK you just dont know when to stop whining do you ?? You whinging little turd"

Ahh yes, THAT was certianly mature. Atleast I manage to complain w/out name calling and insulting those I don't agree with. You think because I complain about something(I KNOW that I'm not going to change their minds) that it means I'm immature??

Ooookay.. what about my original question guys?

first of all I posted that damn message so I would know he ment no 3d holes

LOL ...Ruthless_B got 66 replies ..but no one answered his question ...LOL

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Polaris:
LOL ...Ruthless_B got 66 replies ..but no one answered his question ...LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


That's the saddest thing I've ever seen.

"Give it up, now."

HAHA, BallisticWookie. What the hell makes you think you can actually tell me to stop, like you have some sort of authority over me??

"DJK, I honestly don't know why you are so stuck on the blood issue, talk about being closed minded."

Because I feel that blood adds GREATLY to the realism. That is my opinion, and no matter what anyone says, I'm still gonna feel that way.

"telling people that it's not going to be realistic"

It's a war game w/NO blood or gore. That right there is unrealistic. Do you DENY that in real war, people BLEED when shot?

Here's a question. Will there atleast be bullet holes left on their uniforms where they're hit, or is there just gonna be a puff of dust and then nothing?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Polaris:
LOL ...Ruthless_B got 66 replies ..but no one answered his question ...LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I replied.

i missed that , sorry RS

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Polaris:
i missed that , sorry RS <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's a okay, P.

I said that because it's the truth, you just dont know when to shut up, you've been told time and time again that there will be no blood but you still persist, and persistent people like yourself, who continue with a lost cause really irritate me. Give it up, now.

[This message has been edited by BallisticWookie (edited June 13, 2001).]

"It's a war game w/NO blood or gore. That right there is unrealistic. Do you DENY that in real war, people BLEED when shot?"

The blood is about the only unrealistic thing in the game, most of the other stuff is realistic (weapons, uniforms, setting, behavior of enemys, etc). No game is going to be "completely" realistic, that is why it's called a GAME. You have to except that there will be, in some way, shape, or form, something unrealistic about any game. If there is something you just can't live without (ex. blood) then the game lacking the feature is not for you, so spending time ranting about is just wasting your own time (and in this case bothering others), you would be better off finding a game that suits your interests then complaining about one that does not.

Ahem...hug anyone?

of course rom http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif

We are not making a medically realistic wargame, and people will not do so for a while. In We are not going to model the bullet flying through internal organs, nor are we going to simulate the corresponding physical trauma eventually leading to death. I guess this means we have an unrealistic game...

In short, we have *NEVER* claimed to be making a completely realistic game. We are making a highly realistic game, and a highly fun game. Of course, fun is subjective; if you only find gory games fun, you probably won't enjoy Allied Assault. If you enjoy good FPS gameplay with a high level of historical accuracy, then you will enjoy Allied Assault.

And the fact remains that no amount of talking about the blood issue on this forum will cause EA to decide that the game vitally needs blood. I am sorry if it is a major sticking point for you, but you are going to have to accept that nobody is going to ship a game in the Medal of Honor universe that has blood. If you have a problem with that, you can take it up with Steven Spielberg (who originated the bloodless MoH universe), EA (who perpetuates it), ESRB (who mandates it for EA marketing's target rating), and the millions of people who think that videogames instead of parenting and other social factors cause violent behavior.

Original question: we have the ability to put secondary firing modes on guns where appropriate.

The Bottom Line is that whoever keeps talking about the blood issue is a dumbass...go pester EA or better, don't say anything at all. But if you really need to talk about it, go have a good cry and a pity party with each other about this blood issue and send eachother e-mails. ok?

According to you logic DJK, then no game should ever make a reference to it being realistic because they've all failed in some part of not living up to reality. This is always going to be the case because honestly, reality in most cases isn't fun. Sure, we can make the game realistic to the point that 90% of the time when the door to the higgins boat door drops open you die, and you just restart until you happen to get in that %10 that makes it to shore. Then at that point we'll make it so that you have a %75 chance (at least) that a stray bullet will hit you and you're now immobilized. Would this be fun? I personally don't think so.

The game is going to be as realistic as we can make it given the limitations we have to work within. You shoot a guy, he'll behave properly for where he's shot. You'll get damage feedback for when you hit the guy, and it will look and feel right. The guns will behave as close to the actual guns as we can make them. The sounds will be as accurate as we can make them. The physics will be as good as we can make them within our technological limitations. If you play a game, and you get fully immersed and feel as if you are there, and it emmulates reality to the point where you are not removed from the game by something blantantly out of place (such as a guy bouncing off a wall and around a room 5 times with no gravity), then I'd say that's pretty realistic. So far the people that have seen our game have gotten this feeling, without the blood. Apparently they don't find the missing blood to be out of place to the point where it's taking them out of the experience. So to say that the game is totally unrealistic and a silly kids game because it has no blood is an unjustified statement. To say that you will personally find it to be that way is not since you have your own preferences as to what you like in a game (as does anybody). I don't want to surpress your opinion as that everybody is entitled to theirs, but to make sweeping broad general statements on message boards claiming your opinion as fact isn't right. Also having to make a claim everytime someone asks a question regarding the games realism saying that it isn't going to be realistic in anyway since there's no blood is an unjustified conclusion that is incorrect. To say the entire game will be unrealistic because there is no blood, is an over generalized statement driven by false logic. Here's an example of what I am saying:

Fast cars use turbochargers
A Dodge Viper doesn't use a turbocharger
Therefore, a Dodge Viper is not a fast car

If anybody who knows cars heard you say that they would think you have no idea of what you're talking about. So to say that the entire game is going to be completely unrealistic because it is missing one element of realism (which apparently so far isn't being missed by people that have seen the game, so it's not that critical of an element), is an unjustified statement.

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"We don't introduce or cause bugs in the game, we merely find and bring to light the inadequacies within the code."
-regarding level designers

whats wrong with the guys eyes on the screen shots?

What I meant:

<LI> We will not let you tear pieces out of the geometry. You will not actually tear pieces of concrete out of bunker walls, or put real splinters in wooden boxes.

<LI> We already have standard bullet decals. If you don't stick your nose right up on them, they look like really cool bullet holes.