<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gen. Rommel:
I know what you mean. It was the English who captured the enigma machine...not a couple of slackjawed Americans.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The Americans captured it too, but in 1944... from the U-505.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The Americans captured it too, but in 1944... from the U-505.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hey , i saw that episode the other day http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Polaris:


hey , i saw that episode the other day http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Yes! Me too!


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The U-505, I'm pretty sure that's the sub at The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. I've been on that sub actually, along with Jeff here (one of our artists :). Have many a reference pic from that sub ;)p.

But anyways, that plane is an FW-190 model D. I've double checked with our artists and saw the pics of it and it's pretty much right on (including the gun ports on the wings close to the fuselage, and the landing gear ports molded into the wing structure). The D model had the elongated nose structure to allow for the new engines they used on it, the Junkers Jumo 213A V-12 in place of the BMW 801 Radial. Also how it got it's nick-name, the Long-nose Dora. For a reference, check out Complete Book of WWII Combat Aircraft, pg. 161 for a picture of a Fw190 D-9 :)

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benson@2015.com

"We don't introduce or cause bugs in the game, we merely find and bring to light the inadequacies within the code."
-regarding level designers

Could this mean there's a submarine level?

hehe , nice pick up Hans

Elmagoo: And the actual use of this aircraft, and which version of the aircraft wouldve been more common to see..? You'll find all to early 1945, The FW190D version is less numrious then the "Cooler looking" Dora. Go with the Norm. I think..

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -Waffenampt-:
The FW190D version is less numrious then the "Cooler looking" Dora. Go with the Norm. I think.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't the "Cooler looking Dora" the same thing as the model D? I thought "Long-Nose Dora" was a nick for the D model. This is unless I misundersand elmagoo's post.

Hans: Excuse me, That was a poorly written Sentence. I meant to say the FW-190D "Dora" verison, was less common in the skys then the Earlier version of the Aircraft. My Point? Would be more common to see the Earlier version strafing you then the D. Also, the D verison was namly a High Altitude fighter-interceptor then the early "Fighter Bomber" roll because of it's lighter armorment, and faster speed and better preformence.

Ah, now I understand what your trying to say, that's a good point. On the bright side, at least they have an uncommon plane that is done correctly, which is better then a common plane done wrong.

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/images/..._screen013.jpg Here's a picture of the plane.

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Interesting model..

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -Waffenampt-:
Interesting model..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? Found something else you'd like to show us (or bitch about http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif)?

"I broke my wookie"

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hells-Angel:
amen ball <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
DUDE!! You're confusing me by calling BallisticWookie ball, because I don't know if you're calling me, the "eyeBALL", or BALListicwookie. LOL anyway...


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rs, you are one crazy person

Heh..Waffen I know what you mean. There will ALWAYS be nitpicks. Always. I found them in Saving Private Ryan, Patton, A Bridge to Far, Enemy at the Gate, U-571 (Which was one of the worst WWII movies ever made IMO). But Waffen you have to understand something, the game isn't one big history lesson, it'd be cool if it was, but then again it wouldn't be called a game! Heh..anyway I try to play the game without looking for mistakes..because then I lose the fun. If I did that with SPR, I wouldn't have enjoyed the movie. Although I do love reading your threads...ARE you a history professor (Which is what I'm striving for.)

In short...I like they guy!

I'm feel what your saying gen. you cant help but nit pick at shit, and I agrea, U571 has to be one of the worst ww2 movies ever. Your classic case of hollywood bullshit the public with a high flashy budget and sensless action, make millions (stupid money). Think of all the ignorant people that think thats what happened now.

I thought it was a true story, I never saw the movie, shows what I know

Hey Mr. Dick on the wheels, please explain to me how trying to enjoy my game to its fullest and not worrying about the smallest details makes me lazy? I understand that you and many others care soooooo much if you see a plane in the sky in the distance and it has the wrong decall or paint job, and thats totally cool. But why dont I have the same right to enjoy my game just the way it is. I see in absolutely no way that this makes me more lazy than you. Sure, i may be less observant than the rest but I dont have to sit around and let those things bother me while gaming. What I would be pissed at, is if they messed up SEVERLY. For example, having battles take place in the wrong countries. Just remember Dickonwheels, whats minor to me may be major to you, and vice versa. But dont get me wrong, I understand your point of view. Just dont go calling me lazy because I "dont know any better about those historic flaws." I know a lot more about this conflict than you think. I just refuse to let that get to me.

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Waffenampt-

So, whats your overall opinion of this model

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dickonwheels:
Waffenampt-

So, whats your overall opinion of this model<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you blind? He said it's...interesting. I don't know what that means, BUT it's interesting.


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[This message has been edited by Recycled Spooge (edited June 26, 2001).]

maybe the D-9's are going to be seen later on in the game , say around the end of 1944 till 1945

The D version / series was probably the best version of the FW. It was even capable of keeping up with the P-51s in terms of effectiveness in the skies (mainly due to the better engines that the D series recieved). We have Stuka's as well as the Fw190D's, so we'll be using both throughout the European campaigns that we have :).

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benson@2015.com

"We don't introduce or cause bugs in the game, we merely find and bring to light the inadequacies within the code."
-regarding level designers

OK Here I go...

The one thing that really tars me about there being a Fw. 190D-9 in this game is the fact that the ONLY reason for the 'D' Varients (there were 13 of them not including the R2 and U2 varients of the individual models) was a a HIGH ALTITUDE BOMBER INTERCEPTOR. (This is why shortly after the D variants were introduced they lengthened the fuselage and the wing tips to create the Ta. 152H, the Ta standing for Kurt Tank the designer of the 190 series) Sure, every once in a while an interceptor pilot would take a target of opportunity on the way back to bed, but the most common german fighter bomber on the western front from 1943 till the end was the Fw. 190A-8. the 'Early' model with the BMW 801 'snub nose', and the F-9 "panzerblitz" (the same thing but with racks on the wings for 4 100Kg bombs). Remember this is a combat simulation, not some Flight sim where we are buzzing around at 22000 ft, so we shouldn't be seeing interceptors. They probibly just threw it in because it looks cool...

BTW, Waffenampt will attest to my Luftwaffe knoledge...

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Word Up Bürgen.

hmm, while i agree that being on the "mark" for models etc is a good thing, cause i also hate seeing models that dont quite look right etc etc.

but, you boys have to understand, while you may have a head full of knowledge and know every little fuel gauge and cup-holder.... that this is just a game, made for fun, so of course you will find some things wrong, not exactly right
but you cant spend all your time bitching and complaining about the little insignificant things.

take in the whole picture, and if everything fits fine.

dont mean to sound like an idiot either, just trying to make u guys relax a bit on the extra fine detail stuff.

im sure that the 2015 team has this more than covered and im sure they will astound us all.

AND, btw maybe they did pick this particular plane because it looked cool, and maybe becuase more people would recognize it... well then thats just good marketing on there part




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