that is some sweet hardware? 3 thousand bucks for red x's? eek:[/quote:869b2]

The sale has ended now, the pics used to show up and the machine looked really really good, oh well.

that system was crazzy and the geForce 4 is over rated just read an article on it so. they said that all things concidered the 9700 is better then geForce 4 so go with that

i heard that the ATI cards can have some problems with UT2003 but i dunno if they were resolved or not.

also, someone said something about a GF4 Ti4200 being easily overclocked to 4600 stats. How can that be done, i have a Ti4200 with 128mb ram and really don't get the performance i expected.

[quote="Jumpin Jack Flash":e13f5]i heard that the ATI cards can have some problems with UT2003 but i dunno if they were resolved or not.

also, someone said something about a GF4 Ti4200 being easily overclocked to 4600 stats. How can that be done, i have a Ti4200 with 128mb ram and really don't get the performance i expected.[/quote:e13f5]

Games like UT2003, Americas Army, No One Lives Forever, and a few others were built strictly to use the power of the GeForce technoligy, which is why they can move so fluently. They might have patched UT2003 to work with other cards just as well, check for updates @ [url="http://www.fileplanet.com"]http://www.fileplanet.com[/url]

I wouldn't overclock a videocard, EVER. It's alot harder, and alot more unstable compared to a CPU. If you have water-cooling and heatsinks for the RAM chips on the card, then you can try.

if you are into overclocking your ATI go to http://www.rage3d.com

[quote="Bazooka_Joe":f7f1a]
I wouldn't overclock a videocard, EVER. It's alot harder, and alot more unstable compared to a CPU. If you have water-cooling and heatsinks for the RAM chips on the card, then you can try.[/quote:f7f1a]

Huh??? Video cards are much easier with none of the risk. The worst thing that happens is you start getting artifacts on the screen. Then you just back it down. CPUs will ruin Operating systems, destroy themselves or your mobo.

To the guy that asked, I use riva tuner. I got the core speed up to 275 and the memroy speed up to 583. With the 128 card you should be able to get about the same on the core speed but not as much on the memory speed. The 128mb cards dont have as overclockable memory as the 64mb cards. When I said close to 4600 speeds, I was talking about the memory speed, the core is still materially slower. I got an extra 500 pts on my 3d mark scores.

[quote=pest]Huh??? Video cards are much easier with none of the risk. The worst thing that happens is you start getting artifacts on the screen. Then you just back it down. CPUs will ruin Operating systems, destroy themselves or your mobo.

To the guy that asked, I use riva tuner. I got the core speed up to 275 and the memroy speed up to 583. With the 128 card you should be able to get about the same on the core speed but not as much on the memory speed. The 128mb cards dont have as overclockable memory as the 64mb cards. When I said close to 4600 speeds, I was talking about the memory speed, the core is still materially slower. I got an extra 500 pts on my 3d mark scores.[/quote:bf1f0]

Not nesscessarily. Particles and distorment are the start, but without optimum cooling, your actually burning the filaments in the GPU. This is real bad for the card. If you have a recent video card (I'd say GF4 or RADEON series), the card should by default just turn off, hence you crash or freeze. But older cards are not all guranteed to do this.

ATI's Drivers are for what i have read arnt that good Catlyst Drivers they put out are few in between to fix certain things. NIVIDIA has put out thier Drivers more constant to whats going with thier VID's. Thats not to say that
ATI hasnt made a Nastier Card then NVIDIA right now its up to the person to do the resetrach to see whats good for the $$$$$$$$$ you have to spend to play a game that will knock your socks off when you look at the
Graphics.

i think which everone you buy you wont be making a mistake

[quote="Bazooka_Joe":388c6]
Not nesscessarily. Particles and distorment are the start, but without optimum cooling, your actually burning the filaments in the GPU. This is real bad for the card. If you have a recent video card (I'd say GF4 or RADEON series), the card should by default just turn off, hence you crash or freeze. But older cards are not all guranteed to do this.[/quote:388c6]

Baby steps are the second rule for overclocking. The first rule is dont overclock if you cant afford to replace the hardware if anything goes wrong. With cpu oc'ing, more can go wrong and you could lose more, including any data on your hardrrive.

true if you do over heat the card that heat isn't just going affect the that card. It will afect the other cards as well and total your computer if you can't vent the heat faster then the heat is produced bigzooka: M16:

In my experiance, the vid cards will not overheat enough to even raise your case temp if you have good airflow. The gpu is suspended away from any other components and as a rule, the pci slot next to your agp slot should be left empty. If you dont have an agp slot, dont bother overclocking, its hopeless. They also tend to sit right near the exhaust vents on most cases. All gpus I have oc'ed (ti4200 64mb and a gf2pro) will give plenty of warning before they damage themselves, much less anything around them. Again, if you get nervous about any of this, overclocking is not for you.

[quote=pest]Baby steps are the second rule for overclocking. The first rule is dont overclock if you cant afford to replace the hardware if anything goes wrong. With cpu oc'ing, more can go wrong and you could lose more, including any data on your hardrrive.[/quote:f7573]

Yeah, this is true too. I'm just not that confident in overclocking GPUs compared to CPUs.

[quote="Bazooka_Joe":17aae]Yeah, this is true too. I'm just not that confident in overclocking GPUs compared to CPUs.[/quote:17aae]

Ever since I corrupted my windows install thanks to overclocking, I feel that way about cpu overclocking. I was able to fix the problem and save my data with $80 for a new HDD and a fresh windows install, but I lost several days of my life screwing around with it. Hell, for that amount of time, aggravation and money, I could buy a faster cpu that would give me as much performance increase as I got oc'ing (about 10%).