[quote="Short Hand":150f5]ohh god, noc is typing out a story, half about how he thinks liberals such as me are tards, the other half rhetoric about how much he wish he could suck bush off.[/quote:150f5]

Way to read the post. calmdown:

holy fuck, Stewart just handed Juliani (did I spell it right...) his ass. Good night.

kerry is a tool, he was totally insulting the allies that we do have with us, such as england by saying that this is not a real coalition to do the things to be done in Iraq, and that he will hold a convention where he will bring all of the nato countries together to share a equal part in the rebuilding of Iraq, lol wtf does he think hes the savior himself that if he asks they will follow, like you said noctis, and they call bush arrogant stupid.

Not to mention the portion where kerry said president bush rushed into things and sent our troops to Iraq ill equiped, and that he would not do that, yet when the bill came along to send needed equipment to our troops, he voted against it eek: , can he ever make one solid decision, i think not

[quote=Noctis]Way to read the post. calmdown:[/quote:2e9cb]

i was gusssing you were about to wirte another 3000 word response. rolleyes: calmdown:

Kerry won the debate, but not on substance. He delivered his points eloquently in a cool calm and collected manner. Bush looked distracted, hesitant and tired. Kerry certainly didn't completely dominate Bush as some of you seem to think; in fact Kerry was inconsistent (who'd have guessed?) with his overall theme and message. Bush stood strong with his points, which will score high with a lot of people. Kerry tried to bust him on this with the "evaluative approach" which was somewhat trivial.

Still, in the end, Kerry edges Bush in this debate. If GW would have had his act together and not run out of material near the end, he would've been the victor. Kerry also "wins" this debate by not losing. In other words, If he would've gotten killed tonight, the election would've essentially been over.

Short Hand - you're a smelly putrid cunt. Enjoy your time on earth as an average, marginal, and vapid sheep.

PS - I'm really sick of youth centered liberal elitism... I had a good conversation with my roommate about this the other day. I may start a thread next few days when i can put my thoughts together.

Hmm..what a suprise...the liberals think Kerry won the debat and support Kerry. The conservatives think Bush won and support Bush. Who'd of thunk it? eek:

can you pick out a pair of glasses, ones that will increase my brain power to that of yours ?,. youth centered liberal elitism ? LOL what a label you douche.

EDIT, around here i see just as many Bush youth supporters + a large amount of people who just aren't informed and do not care about it, they pick the day of type thing. It is pretty much a even neck to neck thing. Simply claiming that this new group of youth are everywhere iss not true at all.

I know, its a sad state of affairs.

Bush won in the sense of appealing to his regular hardliner nascar dads & suits,

Kerry won the debate itself. Made good points, made the president go silent.

I guess your right, its all where you come from.

no, but can you show me how to install a car stereo some time when you're not busy hulking out in the gym?

hey he drinks a herbal supplement that can be purchased at any drug or food store biggrin:

I agree with you in saying that GW didn't win, but I don't agree that Kerry really won either. I think that, having just watched recaps on some things I missed, that they ended up pretty even. Neither really had a knockout, nor did either really fall apart on anything. I have a feeling that the debates are going to be too close to call the election.

EDIT:: Also, if by Youth Centered Liberal Elitism, you mean the current idea that it's "cool" to be a Liberal thanks to sites like PunkVoter and MoveOn, then we definitely agree. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it.

deal.

I hope they both get murdered by a man with a siamese cat's head for a head.

Bush kept on the topic of Iraq most of the time because that is what most of the questions were about! Shit. Also, Bush showing a little anger is not a bad thing. He also showed humor. He also didn't always speak so well. He may not have thought of the exact thing to say at the perfect time. IN SHORT: Bush acted human. He acted like a down to earth, genuine human being. He showed that he does not change his beliefs just to get elected, he stands his ground about everything he says. He does not shift.

And another thing, Bush was completely right about Bi-Lateral talks with North Korea. Kerry mentioned that we need to cover all the issues with them, he even mentioned talks about the DMZ. WTF? The DMZ? when was the last time North Korea violated the DMZ? And they have never majorily violated it. Why bring that up.

The fact is that most of the people on this forum that can vote (here, not Canada, btw) have already made up their minds. The 17% or so of the population that are waiting on the debates to decide are not waiting to here how the canidates stand on certain issues. They already know that. They are waiting to see how the Canidates act. Kerry showed himself as a arrogant dick just by the way that he was standing and adressing the audience. He had his back straight and his head cocked to one side. He "over" talked. He directly avoided several questions. Bush, on the other hand, looked directly into the camera. He leaned forward, intently directing his message at the peoply watching on TV. Yes, He showed some anger, but that just proved how stongly his convictions are. You have to feel very stongly about something to allow yourself to show anger in something as important as this debate. Bush showed us that he knows where he stands.

I agree that it was very close. I think my point was that Kerry "looked better" and to the likely majority of Americans, thats more important than the issues that were debated. I'm not discrediting the American people's intelligence, but I am saying that perception is 20/20.