[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":96d76]Actually, the brits had liberty and freedom 500 years before your damned countries even existed so eat kaka angel:


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Yeah and were still waiting. mad:

the wait will take a whield just keep i gota go to sleep gervis stop posting cause i feel the need to rwply!

Gervis.... eek:

He's "drunk" let it slide, my sheep-molesting leprechaun.

Ok you semi azn pigfucking midget. biggrin:

LOL! GG, you are a winnar!

Haha, I'm such a loser.

BTW, I have a baaad fucking headache. I don't think I'll ever do that again.

[quote:95753]Im basing that statement on the fact that the decleration of independence, the document for which your country foundered itself, is just a foolish contradictory document.
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[quote:95753]foolish contradictory document. [/quote:95753]

Tripper, this is the statement that you posted that started this whole thing.

Ever heard of amendments?? Probably not. So maybe go research our history a little more before you start calling our document that our government is based on a "foolish contradictory document".

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Spooge, here is what I meant to say in that sentence you quouted me off of:

[quote:95753]First off, our country was founded on the Articles of Confederation, which didn't work out well and then we established the Constitution[/quote:95753]

First off, the BRITS didnt have "freedom"...they didn't have slavery but Religious persocution. Either way, naysayers were fucked either way you sliced it.

As far as the bible is concerned - it's a COLLECTION not a single book written. And much of it echoes throughout history as well -

Dr deleto makes an excellent observation that all have seemed to ignore. He is thinking the same way i do. neither of us are saying it the definate truth or not, but we keep our options open.
The bible was afterall written by man (or woman, - you never know).
Should we all automatically assume that the bible speaks the truth. Should we then assume that Tolkien was writing about real things, and hobbits really did run around the place?
We wouldnt these days because we are a bit more intellegient and free thinking, but in the olden days, anyone who came up with theory was a very clever person.
i cant remember the guys name, but he came up with the theory that the sun revolves around the earth, and everyone was like ohh well done! a theory! he was of course wrong about that.
But these days, if you come up with a theory, people will say "prove it".
So someone writes this bible, a book of hope, and a guide to life. no tv and very little entertainment 2000 years ago, people would be well impressed by this book. So much so that they center their lives around it, and the rest is history.
Over time, the bible has been rewritten by different people, i think even a king of england wrote the bible too, and beleive have doubted the plausability of the bible that they have chosen to think its BS, like i have. Virgin birth? give me a break.
2003 years ago its possible to have a virgin birth but in the year 2003, noone will beleive realien cloned a baby until they show some evidence.
Times have changed, as argued here, slavery is now considered wrong, where as in its day, it was common thing, just accepted - until someone thought, "hmm this is wrong"
I dont know why or how we are here, and to be honest i would lose more sleep wondering why buses never run on time.

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I persoanly believe in The Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that God sent his one and only son to die for us so that we may have everlasting life. God loves us, and when Adam and Eve messed up in the garden of Eden, he threw them out. So now man is being punished for his sins, and we can be saved from them by accepting Jesus as our lord and saviour. So we either have a choice to accept Jesus and got to heaven, or deny HIm and go to hell, its up to us, but I would have to say the best decision would be to accept him. :)

http://jesusgift.com/

One of the reasons I'm not religious is all the 'rules' life is annoying enough.

mebbe the bible was a miswritten fairy tale?

[quote:d43ec]Tripper, this is the statement that you posted that started this whole thing.

Ever heard of amendments?? Probably not. So maybe go research our history a little more before you start calling our document that our government is based on a "foolish contradictory document".

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ARE you going to cry? hake:

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[quote:98a85]mebbe the bible was a miswritten fairy tale? [/quote:98a85]

Doubt it. :)

i find the bible being written as a fairy tale a little more believable than some supernatural being just waved his hands for 6 days and then whacked off for the 7th creating life on earth

I like the idea that the bible is a metaphorical view point. That's what I was brought up to believe.

If there is one thing i like about religions and god jesus etc its the jokes and piss takes of them.
Eddie Izzard is great at jesus stories

and the episode of Bottom (rick mayall & ade(sp?) edmundson), where a baby is left at their door, and they end up finding gifts of a box of chocolates, a halloween mask and some aftershave.
Which were Gold, Frankenstien and Grrr. biggrin:
class comedy
to name but two...

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I believe the Bilble is ture, completely. When you truly experience Jesus, you will know that it is ture, and I know it is. There is so much evidence, I dont think the universe was created by a big bang all on its own. :)

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[quote="Duke_of_Ray":f3f9c]I believe the Bilble is ture, completely. When you truly experience Jesus, you will know that it is ture, and I know it is. There is so much evidence, I dont think the universe was created by a big bang all on its own. :)[/quote:f3f9c]

Well I guess I never will, since I dont plan on "experiencing Jesus" you seem pretty brainwashed (no offence intended) to not see even some of the flaws in the bible. But if you want to believe the bible word for word thats your "god" given right.

I agree with Zapatoski, I beleive in God. And for those who think that one being creating the earth is laughable, then how else do think it happened? Big Bang?? Well I have heard the odds of a thing of the Big Bang happening are one in some millions upon millions. ANd also, even if it had occurred, then where did the gas that caused it come from. Also, there is the fact of the bible. Numerous arcahelogical discoveries have shown the bible to be from the time period it is said to be from, also, numerous predictions from the bible have been fulfilled.

Just my 2 cents

[quote="[LoNe R@nGeR]":1678e]I agree with Zapatoski, I beleive in God. And for those who think that one being creating the earth is laughable, then how else do think it happened? Big Bang?? Well I have heard the odds of a thing of the Big Bang happening are one in some millions upon millions. ANd also, even if it had occurred, then where did the gas that caused it come from. Also, there is the fact of the bible. Numerous arcahelogical discoveries have shown the bible to be from the time period it is said to be from, also, numerous predictions from the bible have been fulfilled.

Just my 2 cents[/quote:1678e]

You see some of us (actually lost of us) find it really hard to believe that an all powerful being waved his hand and POOF there was the universe? you cant see how some of us find the laughable?

Well, maybe I am brainwashed, but its be Cokes, oh wait Im addicted to them. Anwayws, the Bible doesnt say God just waved His hand, although He could have if He had wanted to. The Bible says He spoke and it happend, so I gueess that how it happend. I just do not see how somebody could nto believe in God at all, I mean with how detalied the world is, it just does not make sense to me. It is obvious there is a God, and I know its is the God who's son is Jesus Christ.

Well its not obivious to me, never seen god personally and untill I do, I wont believe in him. I believe the world is as it is due to the wonders of science. By the way can no one explaine the adam and eve stuff, I mean in order for that to have been true and work they would have had to commit a SIN....called incest.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":26929]Well, maybe I am brainwashed, but its be Cokes, oh wait Im addicted to them. Anwayws, the Bible doesnt say God just waved His hand, although He could have if He had wanted to. The Bible says He spoke and it happend, so I gueess that how it happend. I just do not see how somebody could nto believe in God at all, I mean with how detalied the world is, it just does not make sense to me. It is obvious there is a God, and I know its is the God who's son is Jesus Christ.[/quote:26929]

Get a life there is no god the bible is the largest and best thought out SCAM on earth. How many book companies make bibles? why in some bibles does god talk about computers and porn, and other bad things that werent around 2,000 years ago? Does god still talk ot people? are they in assylums? Common really base your beilefs on a fact. Or as they say in dogma dont believe have a good idea.

oh he SPOKE instead of waving his hand, scuse me

btw what language did he use? just curious

oh my

we all have a god to kill for, they just have different names

[quote="Pfc.Green":8b49c]Well its not obivious to me, never seen god personally and untill I do, I wont believe in him. I believe the world is as it is due to the wonders of science. By the way can no one explaine the adam and eve stuff, I mean in order for that to have been true and work they would have had to commit a SIN....called incest.[/quote:8b49c]

Have you seen air? Or do you just not beleive in it?

[quote="Pfc.Green":668fb]One of the reasons I'm not religious is all the 'rules' life is annoying enough.[/quote:668fb]

I'm not sure about anyone else but these "rules" are mostly morals...
I mean, look at the 10 commandments, most of them are against the law.

[quote="Pfc.Green":de130][quote="[LoNe R@nGeR]":de130]I agree with Zapatoski, I beleive in God. And for those who think that one being creating the earth is laughable, then how else do think it happened? Big Bang?? Well I have heard the odds of a thing of the Big Bang happening are one in some millions upon millions. ANd also, even if it had occurred, then where did the gas that caused it come from. Also, there is the fact of the bible. Numerous arcahelogical discoveries have shown the bible to be from the time period it is said to be from, also, numerous predictions from the bible have been fulfilled.

Just my 2 cents[/quote:de130]

You see some of us (actually lost of us) find it really hard to believe that an all powerful being waved his hand and POOF there was the universe? you cant see how some of us find the laughable?[/quote:de130]

Well what is your explanation then? Probably more far-fetched, but that's just a guess.

[quote="[LoNe [email]R@nGeR]":c3a0e][quote="Pfc.Gree[/email]n":c3a0e][quote="[LoNe R@nGeR]":c3a0e]I agree with Zapatoski, I beleive in God. And for those who think that one being creating the earth is laughable, then how else do think it happened? Big Bang?? Well I have heard the odds of a thing of the Big Bang happening are one in some millions upon millions. ANd also, even if it had occurred, then where did the gas that caused it come from. Also, there is the fact of the bible. Numerous arcahelogical discoveries have shown the bible to be from the time period it is said to be from, also, numerous predictions from the bible have been fulfilled.

Just my 2 cents[/quote:c3a0e]

You see some of us (actually lost of us) find it really hard to believe that an all powerful being waved his hand and POOF there was the universe? you cant see how some of us find the laughable?[/quote:c3a0e]

Well what is your explanation then? Probably more far-fetched, but that's just a guess.[/quote:c3a0e]

More far-fetched than an all powerful being speaking and creating the universe? biggrin: , if you want my explanation, read some of the scientific works on the big bang.

[quote="[LoNe [email]R@nGeR]":88176][quote="Pfc.Gree[/email]n":88176][quote="[LoNe R@nGeR]":88176]I agree with Zapatoski, I beleive in God. And for those who think that one being creating the earth is laughable, then how else do think it happened? Big Bang?? Well I have heard the odds of a thing of the Big Bang happening are one in some millions upon millions. ANd also, even if it had occurred, then where did the gas that caused it come from. Also, there is the fact of the bible. Numerous arcahelogical discoveries have shown the bible to be from the time period it is said to be from, also, numerous predictions from the bible have been fulfilled.

Just my 2 cents[/quote:88176]

You see some of us (actually lost of us) find it really hard to believe that an all powerful being waved his hand and POOF there was the universe? you cant see how some of us find the laughable?[/quote:88176]

Probably because when those laws were writen Religion was still in the government. Now it is illegal and unconstitutional to make a Religious law. And the laws you refer to are they Murder, theft, rape what else?

Well what is your explanation then? Probably more far-fetched, but that's just a guess.[/quote:88176]

Alright, this is gonna start to become a flame war, I'll just state this: my answer is yes, God does have something to do with it. This is my opinion and my beleif so it's really not something to argue about. It's a personal opinion thing so I will leave it at that.

It's my "beleif" too.

[quote="[LoNe R@nGeR]":8cc39]. This is my opinion and my beleif so it's really not something to argue about. It's a personal opinion thing so I will leave it at that.[/quote:8cc39]

I totally agree.

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Well I know God has something to do with life, He created it. :) Also it makes much more sense to believe in God than not to, how do you think the stuff that cuased the Bog Bang, if it did happen, form? All on its on? To me, it is obviosu God exsits, you may not see Him until you die, but you can experience Him, and that I have. We will all face God one day and have to awnser for ourselves, and I hope you all have accepted Christ.