Ydiss, give it up. Siggi will never get it. I guess being sensible requires too much "skill".

Okay, here's an example of skill in MoH...

Patience.

Different people have different levels of patience. This is a skill they have developed. In real life, this is a valuable skill. In MoH, it is also valuable. The impatient player runs straight at the enemy every game, averaging 1 frag per game (1 to 1 kill/death ratio). A more patient player is willing and able to wait, and racks up 2 or 3 kills, frequently surviving the whole game (and thus depriving someone else of a frag). I have seen it over and over. In fact, this quality alone accounts for much of my success in MoH. No offense to the many mature kids out there, but I'll bet the average age of patient players is significantly higher than the average age of impatient players. So this aspect would tend to favor adult players. Yet after playing MoH for a while, a player may actually learn the value and enjoyment of patience, and develop more of it. This can then pay off in the real world.

So patience is an example of a skill that affects your ability in MoH, and you can develop in MoH, with benefits in the real world.

How about washing windows, does that require skill? Or peeling an orange? Or playing MoH? http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

It's still my opinion that MoH takes no skill, but I have to modify or qualify that statement now by saying that the people I've seen playing it must be abnormal or playing under abnormal circumstances. If they can't master a game as simple as MoH there must be something wrong with either them, their hardware or their connection.

Air combat sims, the ones where you get no missiles, THEY are hard...some of them anyway. Any sim by MS is dreck.
Just staying alive in a WW2 or WW1 sim is hard, never mind getting kills in it. But it's a 3D environment which is exponentially harder to master than an FPS's 2D environment.

Somebody said the CS crowd had taken-over MoH online. I don't agree. I never saw ANY dominant players in CS, everyone had topped-out. And I've played on hundreds of different CS servers, against thousands of different players. I don't see that in MoH (suprisingly).
As for regarding anyone who beats me as a cheat...nuts. The only time I was getting beat in this game was before I knew about the skin pak and had invisible maggots whupping on me. Now I've got that sussed I'm not getting whupped anymore.
Aimbots...only the handicapped would actually need them. Once enough practice has been had with MoH accuracy is a breeze. Poor code?

What we may be seeing here is the effect of quak-style players having the brakes put on them. Reaction-gaming has been supplanted by thinking-gaming in MoH...it's not enough to be good at running around like a headless chicken reacting to a cattle-prod. In MoH you do actually have to think about what you are doing. There isn't much to it after you've done that, admittedly, but it sure beats the crap out of quake. Beats the crap out of bunny-hopping CS too. The best thing about MoH is the bunny-hopping BS don't work. I've seen a few twats trying to import that style but they gave it up pretty quick.

Sniper rifle. You'll have to excuse me here but as far as I'm concerned the ONLY way anyone can be consistently good with it against MOVING targets is with an aimbot hack. Anyone who tells you different is a liar and probably a cheat. This isn't a skill thing, it's a code thing. Everyone I've spoken to at the cafe says there is something porked with the 'ballistics' model re the sniper rifle. If the target is static, no prob. MoH's laser-ballistics are fine. Otherwise forget it.

Shotgun...no probs. Ditto SMG's and StG44/BAR. Except the BAR has too little recoil.

MoH is extremely crude and presents little challenge. But it's fun, like Tony Hawks is fun on the PS1. I'll carry on playing it for light relief. I need that after flying an official Il2 mission. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'll try and hook up with you guys via GameSpy some time. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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I strongly suspect that the honest players are in a definite minority these days. FPS's were hack-infiltrated a long time ago and it's practically traditional to arm yourself with one. Combat has become more about who's got the best hack rather than who's got the most 'skill'.

It's a very sad state of affairs, and probably explains why earlier attempts to introduce online tournaments for this genre have quietly vanished. Nobody of any repute can be arsed any longer to make the effort for a tourney that would be nothing more than a shallow farce.

No worries. I'm a simmer, and apparently we have a sim that is hack-proof. Ahem. We'll see. While we're finding that out we're having a blast in the Virtual Eastern Front mega-multi-player online war. Don't ask me for details, we try to keep it under wraps. Why? Lol. Think about it for a minute or two and I'm sure you'll figure it out. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[This message has been edited by SS.SGW-Siggi (edited January 05, 2002).]

I've been having a go on GameSpy.

Almost none of the servers run the CPR mod. In my opinion non CPR-modded games are a total farce: "Ooh, I put half a clip into my enemy, that's alerted him to turn round and put half his clip into me. If I'm lucky I'll get the rest of my clip into him while he's doing it and win." Not to put too fine a point on it...phak off.

Aimbots are being massively used by the sniper-wannabe's. Sniper running, target running, sniper fires one shot, target dies. I'll put a VERY fine point on that one...phak RIGHT off. Puh-LEESE don't tell me "Some have that skill". Next you'll be telling me it's possible to put a blind man in a coal cellar at night and have him insert a dime up a black cat's arse to hear it sing Dixie. THE MoH CODE DON'T MAKE SUCH SKILLS POSSIBLE, END OF STORY! Clear enough?

Moral...don't run and snipe at the same time against a moving target, you WILL reveal yourself for the aim-botting cheat you are.

Lag...anything over 100Ms, don't bother...you'll be nothing but a target (a poor one, but easier to be hit than hit anything yourself).

Non-CPR games are a waste of my time, they are a joke. CPR games are almost realistic enough to be challenging. Almost. But they ARE fun. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Long assed post dude, i read it, and read no replies because it was too long, long but good.
I get the same flack myself. I guess good players are cursed by it.

Scorp.

Firstly, Crapspy blows hard.

Download All Seeing Eye as soon as you can.

Secondly, you see you're doing it again. One minute you come out with a statement that makes me think that perhaps you are an experienced and decent player (at any game) but then you go and ruin it.

You don't have to believe me, as I know you won't anyway, but this is exactly why I feel you can be beaten.

You're too negative about what someone can do. You've already proven to me that you don't know everything about Medal of Honor, as you think that mobile sniping is impossible except for aimbot users.

Funny thing is, even someone using an aimbot could miss while moving with a sniper rifle zoomed in as it reduces your accuracy drastically. So even if the aimbot has you aimed right at your target the game-code could still make you miss.

Mobile sniping is very hard to do, and it's much easier to just move, stop, snipe than to snipe while moving, but it can be done if you practice it enough.

I agree sniping while moving and trying to hit a moving targe it largely a luck thing, but aimbots don't make it possible, either.

Strafing across a static target and sniping it when your cross-hair closes on it is possible, though.

I've seen it done many a time, as I have with sniping a moving target. This player isn't using an aimbot.

Anyway, get rid of Crapspy and download All Seeing Eye and come give us a game. If you have to start your own server then that's fine, but let us know when and where.

Edit: Actually, to make it easier, could you post what name you usually play MoH under (exactly), please? Can find you then, wherever you play.


[This message has been edited by Ydiss (edited January 05, 2002).]

Ah Hannover, I just left the server where you were cutting me down wherever I was.

My excuse is that my mouse is lame and screws up my aiming!

FF: well, if you want TOTAL realism then play as the Yanks and make sure you accidentally TK now and then. It wouldn't be a proper war without Yanks killing each other and their allies!

Ive been sniped by running and strafing players a couple of times too, and im not talking about up-close. I think some tweaking of the sniper-rifles needs to be done for sure. Or maybe there are some people out there, that has more help than others... http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/icons/icon9.gif

I enjoyed reading Hannover's post, as I found it very interesting, and at the same time very true. I do my best not to complain if at all possible. Losing is part of the game, these people need to learn to deal with it.

Simple fix for the sniper-rifle...a three second delay when going to scope-view. As it stands the sniper rifle is the most unrealistic weapon of the bunch. No ballistics model worth talking about means the SR is ridiculously accurate. No scope delay means it can be abused in MP.

Lose the SR or fix it 2015, you fuckin' loafers. And while you're at it get off your fat shiftless western backsides and put prone in. If you can't hack it, give the job to the east europeans...they know how to write code AND burn the midnight oil for their fat paychecks.

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Good analysis, there mate......

as for the lame spamer, "!Fuck Life!!" sin't on topic. you need to check your shorts, dude.

Guys, I gotta say that I have indeed experienced camping in this game while playing the Stalingrad map. It was 16 player FFA, and there were two rocket fellows camping two different spawn points. But hey, this kind of crap has been going on since the advent of games of this type.

Oh, and one other topic I left off my original post - spamming! In this 16 player game, there was one player who would simply throw grenades into a room repeatedly. It was as if it was his mission in life to grenade that room, die, and then return to throw more grenades. He got a few lucky kills, but most of the time he was just tossing grens in an empty room.

Hannover

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When does playing "D" - especially taking a position at or near the church - become camping? Please tell me, because IMO, there is no such beast in this game.
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F#$KEN A$#HOLES-IN GAME.
 

Hi i agree u are a good gamer , but i have seen cheaters.Such as floating mods /crawling mods, and being able to go under maps.So my problem is this, i dont no how to kick these a%$ho%%s out of my games . I would like some one to contact me and teach me how, So we as hosts, can keep a good game going. THANX A MILLION.... :

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i agree with u very much so. keep up the good posts like this.

um How is it that there are more replys then views

Being sniped is one of my pet peeves because it's just point and click but on the other hand it's made me better and dekeing and dodging so I wont complain and I know it must irritate the hell out of a sniper when I keep leaving his scope's field of view.

Rockets are not anti-personel weapons but since newer maps have had drivable vehicles at least they're slowly becoming relevent.

Shotguns weren't used by either side in WWII and only serve to placate the quake'rs who really wish they had a nail gun. IMHO there really should be no shotguns in the game... they simply weren't used. This is further evidenced by the fact that both sides share the same make/model of shotgun.....wtfe!

Grenades.... I read a testemonial of an old vet who'd stormed omaha. In his story he mentioned his kit. It includes 6 grenades. 6 'nades on a soldier is not UNrealistic but what is unrealistic is them being used in a 2 minutes time frame. Real soldiers knew they might not have their ammo replentished for days or even weeks so I've no doubts that although they may have a half dozen, they sure as hell used them more sparingly.

Camping doesn't bother me on the objective maps. Someone's got to be a last line of defence. On the DM maps I equate camping to cowardice.

Why did you bring up an 8 month old post? :roll:

[quote="Sgt. Tsunami":f2e6a]Why did you bring up an 8 month old post? :roll:[/quote:f2e6a]

I was wondering the same thing

It took me about 30 mins to read all that. I say, make another post as a thread or add-on to it. It would be easier to follow up on stuff. :wink:

i didnt know this thread was that old.. i never seen it before. oh well.. its a good thread anyways. i use to be all pissed off about campers and rocketeers but i learned fuck it. just go with it and have fun. the more u get mad.. the more those guys just laugh

wow, someone brought this thread back from the inner depths of hell, btw, if you dont like camping or accuse others of cheating (in seriousness), GO BACK TO CS :D

Hannover, just wanna say very well put. maybe i'll see u in my scope sometime so keep your head down, unless u wanna lose it:D

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its so retarted when people say you cheat with shotguns and rifles. The only people that annoy me are the aholes that take pleasure in killing there own team members.

can anyone say...oooooolllldddd :)


why is this like here lol... one of the oldest posts :)

Where the hell is webb?

i dont think any gun is cheap.....if you want to use it and you got some skill with it then go ahead. the ONLY thing i hate is when someone shoots with a rocket 3 feet away and they dont die :x .....other than that, a person with a rocket is fair game and then weapon is there so why not use it. my only disagreement is the rocket deal :wink: