Great movie, it starts off way to slow for me, but the fight scenes were amazing, and the best scene in any movie ive ever seen was the freeway scene. /me drools

[quote="Capt. John Miller":d6e4c]Great movie, it starts off way to slow for me, but the fight scenes were amazing, and the best scene in any movie ive ever seen was the freeway scene. /me drools[/quote:d6e4c]

I agree on everythign u just said... I also thought it started off slow, and the freeway scene was fockin nUTS

It starts off slow simply because there is a need to set things up - but do you realize how SHORT the "slow scenes" are.

I've seen people complain about the "rave scene" being too long and whatever - the fucking thing is 2 minutes. Maybe they are lumping in Morpheus speech, but that couldn't have been another 3 minutes total. Sad when 5 minutes of "inaction" is too much for others to handle.

Having said that - I think alot of the negative opinions of RELOADED stems from the fact that there is ALOT of information to take in, and it seems like NOTHING happens.

Couldn't be further from the truth. There is SO MUCH in this film it's not even funny, it's simply in what the characters are saying and your ability to connect the dots and come to your own conclusion. I'll admit that the end came a little too "abrubt" for me - like it was just dropped out of nowhere with that TO BE CONCLUDED (which didn't really piss me off because we KNEW it would end like that no doubt with REVOLUTIONS coming in NOVEMBER).

However the answers behind the scenes are alot. Here's just a few things I feel are there:

One - the machines cant completely control the humans. The existence of the "anomoly" confirms this. While the machines, or rather The Oracle, recognized humanities need for "choice" (overlty, or covertly), they still dont have humans figured out as subtle human perception allows folks to question their existence. What is there beyond. We know whats beyond - the real world.

Two - rogue programs. This could be a fourth MATRIX movie in and of itself. ROGUE programs working to overthrow the MACHINES from the inside; or having a war with each other. I know I'm not the only one who is wondering about the identity of the VIRII/VAMPIRES/TWIN's. Since all programs were creating for SOMETHING (controlling flight patterns of birds, sunset, taste of chicken, etc.), what were THEY created for?

Three - NEO has been changed genetically. How this happened we dont know, but as he exhibited he has the ability to "communicate" on some level with the machines in THE REAL. I dont believe that is THE MATRIX, nor was it some sort of EMP pulse. The MACHINES shorted out, and there was no EMP-blast. His understanding of THE MATRIX has reached a level where he is able to "restart life" taken in THE MATRIX.

As far as SMITH's change - he is now another "exile". A program (created to stop the rebels) that no longer has purpose, or desire to complete his function. I'm still interested in how they'll explain this and HOW he got to the source without using a key. Very interesting.

Good points Ed.

I'm almost convinced that Neo did not set off an EMP. What actually happened is something that we cannot understand now, but come November we will. After looking at scenes from the first movie, when Morpheus sets of an EMP charge at the end when the squids had breeched the Neb, it was a much larger, more visual almost nova-like ring. Neo's "blast" was just a few lightning like bolts.

No one can be certain exactly what has happened to Neo, but there has obviously been a monumental change within him that will alter the course of events yet to come.

Regarding the machines: I think the Mergovingian was programmed to guard the key maker. Unless I'm mistaking the Mergovingian were an ancient order dedicated to the defense of the Holy Grail. I do believe the key to the source and to the fate of the world is just as important as the Holy Grail. :)

I also believe the Merg programmed his bodyguards, he did notion to the fact that he had the ability to program as shown through his orgasm producing cake. :)

Also, the Keymaker was referred to as an exile, however, I do not understand why this is so. He fulfilled his purpose as he said - which is to make keys. His path coincides with that of the One, he is an inevitable stop on the road taken by the One.

Also Ed, when was it said that Smith managed to get to the source without a key?

And lastly, I thought it was interesting how Morpheus, in the first movie, refers to the Agents as "The Gatekeepers". Pretty odd how Neo's final battle to reach the Architect was with an Exile agent program.

November will be here soon :(

[quote="Sicilian_Summers":dd233]And lastly, I thought it was interesting how Morpheus, in the first movie, refers to the Agents as "The Gatekeepers". Pretty odd how Neo's final battle to reach the Architect was with an Exile agent program.
November will be here soon[/quote:dd233]


i have got to see the first matrix again,

as for Neo and the EMP blast.....they just had to do that to us at the end of the movie, just to make us wonder and wait for the next movie

with Neo doing that blast thing, it makes it hard to belive that they are in "The Real" world

i just read this in another forum

[quote:fbe98]The World of Zion is another simulation, and Neo knows it and refuses to show it because of the Oracle.[/quote:fbe98]

is that the 2 matrix theory everyone was taking about?

We'll know soon enough happy:

Also ...

[quote:f871a]It starts off slow simply because there is a need to set things up - but do you realize how SHORT the "slow scenes" are.

I've seen people complain about the "rave scene" being too long and whatever - the fucking thing is 2 minutes. Maybe they are lumping in Morpheus speech, but that couldn't have been another 3 minutes total. Sad when 5 minutes of "inaction" is too much for others to handle. [/quote:f871a]

ADD

biggrin:

you should see a movie called "stalker" it's got like a scene that's about 20 minutes and it shows a polluted river with bottles, cans and such. the camera moves along and it just keeps going, i thought it would never end. during that entire scene i must of taken a crap already

Just found this out: The reason Tank didn't return to the second movie, was because his part was cut from the cast. He was originally sopposed to be the pilot again on the NEB, but was replaced by Link on a last minute basis. Because of this, Marcus Chong (Tank) is sueing because he had a verbal & written agreement to be in the second film.

http://www.boycottthematrix.com/samples.htm

[quote="Bazooka_Joe":939c8]
[url="http://www.boycottthematrix.com/samples.htm"]http://www.boycottthematrix.com/samples.htm[/url][/quote:939c8]

They need to get a life. IIRC, there was some talk that Chong was actually STALKING Fishburne in some capacity. And what's all this talk about needing African-Americans in this movie? Uh - yea - right. There was a GROSS shortage of brothas and sistahs.

Delusional, the guy added NOTHING to the screen. Now folks are gonna be saying "we want MOUSE!". Losers.

Tank would have been a better operator but the ending of Matrix Reloaded realy pissed everyone off now we gotta wait till November or October for Matrix Revolutions.

Ed, that's not where I got the info from, that's just a source. Alot of newspapers published it yesterday & this morning.

Another thought crossed my mind - Do you think the chick that was with the French Guy had anything to do with Neo's Powers outside of the Matrix? Remember the cake the guy made that the chick ate, well when Neo kissed her, you heard the same sounds. . .could that be something to do with it? Hmmm. .

[quote="Bazooka_Joe":8dfb5]Just found this out: The reason Tank didn't return to the second movie, was because his part was cut from the cast. He was originally sopposed to be the pilot again on the NEB, but was replaced by Link on a last minute basis. Because of this, Marcus Chong (Tank) is sueing because he had a verbal & written agreement to be in the second film.

[url="http://www.boycottthematrix.com/samples.htm"]http://www.boycottthematrix.com/samples.htm[/url][/quote:8dfb5]

Is Marcus related to Tommy?

[quote=Innoxx]Is Marcus related to Tommy?[/quote:0486c]

I'd tell you, but I dunno who Tommy Chong is.

Is Marcus related to Tommy?[/quote:9a9a7]

I'd tell you, but I dunno who Tommy Chong is.[/quote:9a9a7]

You don't?

I bid you good day sir!

*storms out of thread*

holy crap its just a freaking movie

Aparently the dude who plays tank was an ass to work with in the first movie. They signed a 2 movie contract, but he wanted more money for the second movie so they said screw him.

I'd tell you, but I dunno who Tommy Chong is.[/quote:b631c]

You don't?

I bid you good day sir!

*storms out of thread*[/quote:b631c]

Ohh. . .you mean Cheech and CHONG! heh I forgot his first name. biggrin:

Dunno, they kinda look alike, lol

Is Marcus related to Tommy?[/quote]

I'd tell you, but I dunno who Tommy Chong is.[/quote:ff9d1]

You don't?

I bid you good day sir!

*storms out of thread*[/quote:ff9d1]

Ohh. . .you mean Cheech and CHONG! heh I forgot his first name. biggrin:

Dunno, they kinda look alike, lol[/quote:ff9d1]

[quote:ff9d1]Biography for
Marcus Chong
Trivia
Brother of Robbi Chong.

Adopted son of Tommy Chong

Brother of Rae Dawn Chong

Career got started by Betty A. Bridges, mother of actor Todd Bridges. Betty was his acting coach for 10 years.[/quote:ff9d1]

http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Chong,%20Marcus

do any of you think that maybe agent smith did the same thing as neo to servie the sentinals......the blast thing, he was knocked out just like neo was and he was the only surviver

ohhh and do ya think the neo changed trinitys code justlike how he changed agent smiths code when he whent into him, because he did heal her buy sticking this hand in her

Just thought about something..

If all are given a choice they don't know they make, and 99% of the people choose the Matrix circa 1999, then would perhaps Zion truly be an outside Matrix and full of the 1% that said no? The numbers would seem to work out. Millions of people inside the 1999 Matrix, tens of thousands maybe in Zion.

Could purging the people in Zion be the Machines' way of trying to eliminate that 1% genetically? Who knows. But it seems as long as the One is required to help repopulate Zion, you'd always have that defiant strain which would multiply over time. Aargh.

I would haev guessed that those who don't accept the matrix would just die. Thats probably taking the easy way out but... eh.

There are 250,000 people in Zion. In Reloaded Morpheus refers to 250,000 sentenls boring to Zion, which is enough for one machine for every man, woman and child.

That actually could be semi true. The architecht said that Neo was some sort of Glitch in the code that made him The One. Most programmers will tell you that a code so complex would bound to have errors (look at MoH ;) ).

To rattle some things up... could some one explain how reproduction works in the Matrix. Is each new born child just a program generated from a human. Then another program is spawned from the predecessor(Clogged Database hehe)? Just something to ponder over.

my guess is: at birth the matrix gives each individual a code that limits the abilities of everyone (IE make everyone follow the rules that the matrix has) and to make sure they accept the matrix as reality. But because of the glitch that makes 99.5% not fully accept the matrix, some people are able to do things that bend(the Crews of the hovercrafts) or break the rules (the one) so when one that can break the rules is discovered they have to reset the matrix so the code can remain intact and the matrix can continue to live


but thats just a theory, we'll find out when revolutions comes out

"Road House" starring Patrick Swayze was better than the Matrix.

i meant the neo could be one of the machines programed to infiltrate the humans and destroy them oOo:

I'm not exactly sure how it would happen in the real world, but a baby can
just be linked to those two specific beings once loaded in the program. It's
something I thought about as well... I wonder if they'll answer it for us ? :-\

Edit:

A long shot, but consider the idea that sperm is forced out of the human
male (the same way I assume they handle urine and fecal matter) and it
is redirected to the female linked to him so she is "artificially inseminated":
how they remove the child and all that shit isn't really hard to understand
afterwards.

They integrate the prime code found in Neo and modify the Matrix to ensure
the present "anomaly" doesn't occur again: the illusion of choice remains ok
and they reload the system like new, or as we were told in the first movie,
circa 1999.

in the first matrix Morpheus said humans are no longer born, they are grown(or something similar to that)

Yes, in those little pink things.

But their talking about when two people make a babie while plugged into the matrix. They really don't have sex, since their both really in a pink bubble, however they will have a kid in the matrix. Is that kid a program, or is he a human in a bubble? If he were a program, then humans would eventually die out, aside from machines growing them.

I would think that some how their kid has to be born in the real world as well and attached to the matrix. But its just a movie. Some people will analyze this thing to death and won't enjoy it because it has flaws. maybe it will be explained, but perhaps not. Who cares? Its a good movie.

Chango: if the human female isn't articially inseminated in the real
world vis-a-vis the method I proposed, they then do something called
IN VITRO! Come on, I explained it rather adequately guys... ;-)

just found this
 

Secrets of the matrix site

here's what you need to do:

follow these steps!

go to

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/

choose high bandwith site


look at the righ-top, see the little yellow thingy? click it!

now this little thingy pops-up where you can select low badnwith

click the little square light twice right next to (right side) of the low bandwith thingy

now this zion thingy pops up

slice the thingy to the right to open the control panel.

Now you need the codes.. here are a few.. there should be more but i dont know them, you do? reply

binairy code -> effect

11011011 3d view nebuchadnezzar
10110110 Bonus clip Stunt coordinator
00011000 Bonus clip Concept Illustrator
10000001 Previous matrix website
11101001 Trinity concept art
11010100 Animatrix Desktop Art

01101111 Hexadecimal menu.
this one should provide something special
this one gives acces to another acces panel,which is secured with an hexadecimal code.. no codes known yet so if ya got them do
post

edit: found one
1100 1100 1000 1000 0011 0011 0000 0000 CC883300.

once u type it in and press "ENTER", click on the "ZION410E20" link under the first binary code input thingy.

edit: more

ZION83N6 (binary codes)
Added Sequence Unveils Source
2003-02-25 01101111 ZION410E20 Access Panel 2 for entering hexadecimal keys. 'Chaos0701'
2002-07-31 11101000 Philosophy section. TheMatrix.com
2002-05-16 11010100 Brings up a nice screenshot of the new character Jue (sp?)... 'Fuct574'
2002-05-08 11101001 Hint: It has something to do with David Lapham. WhatIsTheMatrix
2002-04-07 00011000 Bonus clip. Special audio commentary. Interview with concept illustrator Simon Murton. 'Funkmidget'
2002-04-07 10110110 Bonus clip. Stunt coordinator R.A. Rondell. 'EduMarg'
2002-04-07 10000001 Reloads the classic "The Matrix" website. 'Backpack'
2002-04-05 11011011 Zion QuickTime VR picture. 'Uzi'


for 2nd
ZION410E20 (hexadecimal codes)
Added Sequence Unveils Source
2003-05-16 A3B1A428 Nebuchadnezzar Model Kit. 'Sneaka007'
2003-05-08 19A642BF P.O.D behind the scenes. 'Sneaka007'
2003-05-08 8E217AC9 Data not yet online. 'Sneaka007'
2003-05-08 D53D49F9 Unloco- Bruises music video. 'Sneaka007'
2003-05-08 A8C3F9AD Deftones-Historical segment. 'Sneaka007'
2003-05-08 64CF29E3 POD: behind the scenes 2. 'Sneaka007'
2003-05-08 43E17AC9 The Making of the Soundtrack. 'Sneaka007'
2003-05-08 8D966F2A POD Interview. 'Sneaka007'
2003-05-08 C1B49F13 POD lyrics. 'Sneaka007'
2003-04-10 98765432 The final theatrical "The Matrix Reloaded" trailer. 'HuanVu'
2003-04-03 d487a317 About "The Animatrix: Detective Story." MFN
2003-03-31 f03350b1 Hugh Bateup (Supervising Art Director) interview. Yngve
2003-03-31 0081cf5e John Gaeta (visual Effects Supervisor) interview. Yngve
2003-03-07 ec306071 QuickTime VR: Oracle Kitchen. Adam
2003-03-02 098ca701 New wallpaper. Kevin
2003-02-25 cc883300 Test key. 'Chaos0701'

Sloi.. they say outright in the Matrix that babies are no longer born. It wouldn't make any sense that it would be that way. Just think about the sheer number of babies those things were harvesting. The machines have 9 months from "conception" inside the Matrix to assign one of those babies being plugged into the Matrix to be the child which is to be born. That's the only feasible explanation.

Docters say when your are born that u do not have control of your brain until your about two weeks old.

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Roadhouse > Matrix

Noctis, how the hell do you think they make those babies ? Out of spare
parts!? LOL. In Vitro is the only explanation. No matter how you look at it,
born/grown... they use reproductive elements found in the human body to
do it.

Unless they've figured out how to clone through some process using stem cells or the like. They are machines and if the Matrix is approximately 600 years old, then it's somewhere around the 28th century, so an advance in the science is all but inferred.

I think noctis is right with the cloning. Those pink pods that extract BPUs from the humans produce images or the Matrix in our minds. We live out our live until our energy is depleted. Machines took over at one point in time and realized that humans could be a reliable source of energy and they continue to clone us to keep producing energy.