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Eight Ace 02-04-2004 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9
So explain it to me.

[quote="Eight Ace":c7f15]
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Originally Posted by ninty9
i don't buy it. Our countries are built on equality for all, not on what other countries do.

Perhaps being trained that Islam is all and muslims have no equal
creates problems when relocating to countries are built on equality for all. eek:

Do you imagine that these kind of proposals are just grabbed out of thin air?,
that the percieved negative impact of the Islamic population and the experiences
of non-muslim French people have not forced these issues to be addressed?

...so what if you "don't buy it"...show some respect for why they apparently do.[/quote:c7f15]

ninty 02-04-2004 10:25 PM

Boy that helps a lot, thanks. rolleyes:

Eight Ace 02-04-2004 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9
Boy that helps a lot, thanks. rolleyes:

Which part of what I'm trying to say is confusing to you and I'll try my best to clarify.

ninty 02-04-2004 10:37 PM

Perhaps being trained that Islam is all and muslims have no equal

Tripper 02-04-2004 11:02 PM

[quote="General Cobra":ad771][quote="[muted]strvs":ad771]So you would glady bring the same pain upon a muslim family by killing their siblings right?[/quote:ad771]

Yeah thats it man. You're so right. That's a stupid idea. rolleyes: But if I had the chance Id kill every motherfucking one of the siblings related to the cocksucker that killed mine.

You can all go fuck yourselves for being a bunch of low life pricks about a subject you don't even come close to understanding.[/quote:ad771]

OOOoooOoo......Cobra - I hope you fucking die a horrible, disgusting death, and your own family spits on your prejudice hate-mongering ass when you're being lowered six feet under.

Stop fucking whining about your dead family - You're just using it as an excuse to be a stupid cock-harrassing wankface.

Infact - I bet those members of your family were like second cousins to you....probably weren't even related.

DIE, Muther-Fucker, DIE! ........Fucking bitch.

Eight Ace 02-04-2004 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9
Perhaps being trained that Islam is all and muslims have no equal

...there are many sides to my argument there, but the main one is that Islam will not separate religion and state,
and my response to you about the experience that I hear about in Europe and see first hand here in Sydney, is that
this belief seems to override everything else, including the laws of their adopted countries.

Just pretend it's not occurring if that makes you comfy....
while those who are actually affected and involved will have to deal with reality.

ninty 02-04-2004 11:15 PM

OK, understood, but I don't get your point.

Eight Ace 02-04-2004 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9
OK, understood, but I don't get your point.

ok, you educate me then...what in your opinion is it that brings even talk of this type of legislation to the fore..?

ninty 02-04-2004 11:27 PM

I don't know. I don't live in France, i've never been to France, and i've never gone to a public school in France.

JBird 02-04-2004 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoner
If you can't say The Lord's Prayer in school anymore, some muslim chick shouldn't be allowed to wear that kind of garb.

Equality. That's all it boils down to.

outstanding point there ^ rock:

Eight Ace 02-04-2004 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ninty9
I don't know. I don't live in France, i've never been to France, and i've never gone to a public school in France.

That's all irrelevant, and it's not just schools...
what is your opinion of the current French/muslim experience, and what do you base it on?

ninty 02-04-2004 11:42 PM

I don't have any experience.

All i'm basing this on is the Atricle posted by VAC.

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Originally Posted by ninty9
I'm sure that in the French Charter of Rights and Freedoms, just like in Canada and the US and Australia and NZ and Britain and every other civilized nation in the world, it says somewhere ar ule about the right to religion. Now if I wanted to, I would like to believe that I could wear a huge ass sombrero with a framed 8X10 picture of jesus hanging from it.

If they want to get rid of this stuff in school, you can't say its ok for you to wear a cross, but its not ok for you to wear a head dress or whatever. If they want it out of schools, they either say nothing religious is allowed in schools, or anything is allowed.

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Originally Posted by CNN
Supporters say the ban is needed to preserve France's secular tradition. Opponents see the legislation as discrimination, particularly against the country's large Muslim population.

Some 140 lawmakers in the National Assembly, the lower house, have signed up to comment on a bill that authorities have said is directed at Muslim head scarves, but would also prohibit Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses from the schools.

What i'm grappling with is if the Government has a right to take away someone's freedom to wear something that is of religion to them. be it a cross or a scarf. I don't know the answer. As I said before, ban everything, or ban nothing.

What also troubles me is that it says "Supporters say the ban is needed to preserve France's secular tradition." If they want to preserve the French tradition, don't allow immigrants entry into the country.

I'm not examining the roots of the "problem", just trying to decide which route should be turned into law.

Eight Ace 02-05-2004 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty9
I'm not examining the roots of the "problem", just trying to decide which route should be turned into law.

Ok, well sorry to have wasted your time because it's only the roots of the problem that really interest me,
...the wearing of muslim scarves, jewish skull caps, christian chunky crucifictions and wigger oversize
clocks are all merely fashion crimes if looked at at that level.

General Cobra 02-05-2004 12:55 AM

[quote=Tripper][quote="General Cobra":f30d2]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "[muted
strvs":f30d2]So you would glady bring the same pain upon a muslim family by killing their siblings right?

Yeah thats it man. You're so right. That's a stupid idea. rolleyes: But if I had the chance Id kill every motherfucking one of the siblings related to the cocksucker that killed mine.

You can all go fuck yourselves for being a bunch of low life pricks about a subject you don't even come close to understanding.[/quote:f30d2]

OOOoooOoo......Cobra - I hope you fucking die a horrible, disgusting death, and your own family spits on your prejudice hate-mongering ass when you're being lowered six feet under.

Stop fucking whining about your dead family - You're just using it as an excuse to be a stupid cock-harrassing wankface.

Infact - I bet those members of your family were like second cousins to you....probably weren't even related.

DIE, Muther-Fucker, DIE! ........Fucking bitch.[/quote:f30d2]

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Himmler 02-05-2004 12:59 AM

im sorry, but i wont ever have respect for france since they didnt help us.

Zoner 02-05-2004 07:26 AM

[quote=Tripper][quote="General Cobra":93042]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "[muted
strvs":93042]So you would glady bring the same pain upon a muslim family by killing their siblings right?

Yeah thats it man. You're so right. That's a stupid idea. rolleyes: But if I had the chance Id kill every motherfucking one of the siblings related to the cocksucker that killed mine.

You can all go fuck yourselves for being a bunch of low life pricks about a subject you don't even come close to understanding.[/quote:93042]

OOOoooOoo......Cobra - I hope you fucking die a horrible, disgusting death, and your own family spits on your prejudice hate-mongering ass when you're being lowered six feet under.

Stop fucking whining about your dead family - You're just using it as an excuse to be a stupid cock-harrassing wankface.

Infact - I bet those members of your family were like second cousins to you....probably weren't even related.

DIE, Muther-Fucker, DIE! ........Fucking bitch.[/quote:93042]

That's crossing the line, Tripper. This will end now.


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