[quote="Short Hand":33f62]^ Noc correct me if im wrong but.... Were the crusades not started to "Take Back" The holy Lands ? Arab Raids didn't start in to Spain im sure until The Seljuks over threw "Saladins Dynasty". Even if they were "Started to repel the attacks, they ended up in Agression taking the Holy Land.[/quote:33f62]

I was having a discussion about this with someone yesterday, and I've got to go do a bit of research on the chronology of things, because neither of us could remember the details.

The first crusade might be considered justifiable and maybe the second ... but like hell the 3rd and 4th were.

went far past 4 lol.