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Milla 10-02-2004 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bukdez
he says is that people get help faster in the States, but that poor/uninsured people suffer, do you agree with that?...

yup.

Maplegyver 10-02-2004 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bukdez
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Originally Posted by Noctis
Next, he wants to bring about universal healthcare. Are you kidding me? First of all, I don't want to have to sit on a two week waiting list while my upper respiratory infection turns into a lower respiratory infection and maybe pneumonia. Our healthcare system works great in motivating the best doctors in the world to work in our hospitals and really take care of their patients. If anything needs to be done here, Medicare and Medicaid need some tweaking.

How does this system work at present? Most people pay directly for their health care/hospital bills out of pocket, unless they have insurance, right?
In the case of insurance, do plans cover some or all of the costs? Or does it depend on the plan? Are Medicare and Medicaid government sponsered programs for the poor/uninsured?

My brother-in-law is a doctor in the US, but he never wants to talk about this shit, one thing he says is that people get help faster in the States, but that poor/uninsured people suffer, do you agree with that?...

THEY SHOULD JPOIN THE ARMY!!!/noc

Sirus 10-02-2004 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Milla
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Originally Posted by bukdez
he says is that people get help faster in the States, but that poor/uninsured people suffer, do you agree with that?...

yup.

not at all

Milla 10-02-2004 03:44 PM

Well it depends on circumstance, i know theres someone getting fucked everywhere for anything.

wintersforge 10-02-2004 03:58 PM

from experience:

-when i entered the work force after college i was over 21 and off my parents insurance (most US insures will cover kids till either 18 or they leave school...depends). during the next few years i had no insurance. i had to go to hospital emergency room one night. now the law states that hospitals cannot turn away anyone form the emergency room. so alot of people who need help go to emergency room cause they cant be turned away (might be a state by state law...idk). when i was released i was sent a bill for 500 bucks or so. i went to doctor for follow up and he asked me if i was covered. i said no and he cut my bill in half right on the spot..and waived doctors visit fee...it reallys matters if you go to a hospital sponsored or overseen by a church...ie catholic because they seem to work with people in unique situations.

most good insurance programs are 90/10...meaning you pay 10 % of bill. then they go downa list of services they cover and wont etc. the shitty thing is people who have families and no insurance...but i often wonder why they arent motivated to provide a better life for there family...and i guess thats waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic eek:

Drew 10-02-2004 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bukdez
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Originally Posted by Noctis
Next, he wants to bring about universal healthcare. Are you kidding me? First of all, I don't want to have to sit on a two week waiting list while my upper respiratory infection turns into a lower respiratory infection and maybe pneumonia. Our healthcare system works great in motivating the best doctors in the world to work in our hospitals and really take care of their patients. If anything needs to be done here, Medicare and Medicaid need some tweaking.

How does this system work at present? Most people pay directly for their health care/hospital bills out of pocket, unless they have insurance, right?
In the case of insurance, do plans cover some or all of the costs? Or does it depend on the plan? Are Medicare and Medicaid government sponsered programs for the poor/uninsured?

My brother-in-law is a doctor in the US, but he never wants to talk about this shit, one thing he says is that people get help faster in the States, but that poor/uninsured people suffer, do you agree with that?...

To address the questions in order:

All healthcare costs are the responsibility of the consumer. The magnitude of these costs is offset by healthcare insurance (a healthy, single white male with company coverage might expect to pay $40.00USD per month for the best option). The plans cover varying amounts depending on the circumstances and the quality of your coverage. Anyone in the United States can be self-insured with a $500 deductible (I know that's high, but it's better than nothing in an emergency situation) for something like $600-800/year. But just as an example, if I go to my normal physician, I have a co-pay (fee) of $20. Everything after that is covered by the insurance company. For a specialist, the co-pay is $30 and for the emergency room the co-pay is $100, etc etc.

Medicaid and Medicare are indeed government subsidized healthcare plans for the poor/uninsured. These are in addition to free clinics which can be found in most major cities (yes, I know free clinics are the pinnacle of medical science). Free clinics are, however, an option for those who aren't on Medicare/Medicaid for whatever reason (crackheads) and most of the time you can be seen by a healthcare professional the same day. The programs could use some improvement. They need some streamlining to weed out abuse, which is the biggest thing holding it back right now.

I think that yes, there are probably cases where the poor/uninsured get screwed over (anyone seen John Q.?) but I think that even that is the exception. Anyone too poor to afford insurance is covered by Medicare and anyone who isn't covered by it but claims to be too poor is spending their money on Michael Vick Air Force Ones and Reebok authentic game jerseys instead of providing for themselves or their families (and don't even try to put a racist spin on it, I get the example from a guy who used to work for me that I saw in the store the other day. He is white, lives in a trailer, has two kids and is on food stamps. But he is wearing $150 Nikes and a $250 Vick jersey).

Bottom line, I will gladly continue to pay $40/mo if it means that I am able to see the best doctors in the world and be treated immediately, not register on a waiting list and sit around for a week or two while I cough up my intestines.

udetingo 10-02-2004 04:51 PM

Umm... Bush and Kerry are both idiots. I really wish we had presidents like Franklin D. Roosevelt and I guess, John F. Kennedy. Today, thats not really possible since materialism has actually turned people retarded. At least that's what I think, but my opinion will change if someone can enlighten me about something I have said.

Scalping Chief 10-02-2004 05:18 PM

oOo:

1080jibber 10-02-2004 08:52 PM

[quote="TGB!":992b3]In any case, Kerry may have come out looking strong but the MAJORITY - yes thats right block head - the MAJORITY of Americans support the war on terror, and damn near 70% of Americans believe they are safer BECAUSE of the actions of the admin.[/i][/quote:992b3]

sure 70% of Americans support the war on terror, but do 70% support the war in Iraq?

Sgt. Paine 10-02-2004 09:15 PM

[quote=1080jibber]
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Originally Posted by "TGB!":ba5b4
In any case, Kerry may have come out looking strong but the MAJORITY - yes thats right block head - the MAJORITY of Americans support the war on terror, and damn near 70% of Americans believe they are safer BECAUSE of the actions of the admin.[/i]

sure 70% of Americans support the war on terror, but do 70% support the war in Iraq?[/quote:ba5b4]

they should, my cousin was over there for a year, and he said that they needed to be over there. and i believe him.

Pick Axe 10-03-2004 12:37 AM

CNN, no libral Bias.????!?!?!? WTF? They wont even address Bush on the air as anything but Bush or Mr. Bush. They will not call him President Bush, as he deserves. But they sure dont do that to Kerry. They call him the The [insert catchy coined line that supports him] Senator Kerry. They do not show news items with any sense of truth. And as for CBS, there was something involving a document recently........

I used to think that MSNBC was more middle ground that anybody else, but I haven't watched them in a while, so this may not be the Case anymore.

And Fox. They are biased conservative. I admit it. Im not going to say that their not, because I know they are. However, their commentators do research and can stand by their points, not just cow down and tag a 'hate-bush' comment on the end to try and cover up.

Pyro 10-03-2004 05:38 PM

[quote="Pick Axe":9c846]They will not call him President Bush, as he deserves.[/quote:9c846]

No.

Mr.Buttocks 10-03-2004 05:55 PM

[quote="Sgt. Paine":e8271][quote=1080jibber]
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Originally Posted by "TGB!":e8271
In any case, Kerry may have come out looking strong but the MAJORITY - yes thats right block head - the MAJORITY of Americans support the war on terror, and damn near 70% of Americans believe they are safer BECAUSE of the actions of the admin.[/i]

sure 70% of Americans support the war on terror, but do 70% support the war in Iraq?[/quote:e8271]

they should, my cousin was over there for a year, and he said that they needed to be over there. and i believe him.[/quote:e8271]

You believed him because you're an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!! spank: hellfire: mad: mwah: the_finger: cuss: stupid: wallbash:

Pick Axe 10-04-2004 03:53 PM

[quote=Pyro]
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Originally Posted by "Pick Axe":f5077
They will not call him President Bush, as he deserves.

No.[/quote:f5077]

no what? You saying they dont do that, or are you saying that he doesn't desserve it? Anyone that is elected as Our commander in chief deserves the respect due to them.


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