Wow, i haven't heard a single thing about recent suspected US involvement in Syria. oOo:

I'm moving to canada.

america is like Will Smith.. sometimes it's really gay and nobody can fucking stand it, and sometimes it's kind of almost cool. wallbash:

[quote="TGB!":ee640][quote=Whatada]Wow, i haven't heard a single thing about recent suspected US involvement in Syria. oOo:

I'm moving to canada.[/quote]

[color=indigo][b]The SYRIAN government is sweating. As they should be. You dont assasinate foreign leaders and expect the world-court to be silent.[/b][/color][/quote:ee640]
Oh, the irony is comical.

Please tell me you were baiting.

[url="http://members.aol.com/bblum6/assass.htm"]http://members.aol.com/bblum6/assass.htm[/url]

Are you saying that because elements of the United States government were allegedly involved in those assassination plots, (most failed) somehow that absolves the Syrian government in this case. Did you also look into how many assassination plots each man on that list were allegedly involved with? And if any of them were, wouldn't that absolve the United States government in those cases, or is the U. S. of A. being held to a higher standard.


beer: dance:

[quote=ninty][quote="TGB!":89516][quote=Whatada]Wow, i haven't heard a single thing about recent suspected US involvement in Syria. oOo:

I'm moving to canada.[/quote]

[color=indigo][b]The SYRIAN government is sweating. As they should be. You dont assasinate foreign leaders and expect the world-court to be silent.[/b][/color][/quote]
Oh, the irony is comical.

Please tell me you were baiting.

[url="http://members.aol.com/bblum6/assass.htm"]http://members.aol.com/bblum6/assass.htm[/url][/quote:89516]

The fact that OBL is on this list - that you are using to counter my disgust at Syria being complicit in the murder of the Lebanese PM - is. . .galling. Do you have any idea who even 1/10th of those people are? Granted "planning for" could mean any NUMBER of leaders. . .but the fact that one of your "innocent targets" died of cancer following major SUPPORT from the US - one has to question the veracity of this list.

Have fun ninty.

Would you argue the fact that the US has not assissanated anyone?

My point is not to say Syria is not guilty of assissanating certain individuals and should not be punished, rather that many countries do the same. The one difference is when the US does it the "world courts" are silent. US assissanates a world leader it's called advancing democracy. Another country does it, it's called terrorism. Any country which partakes in such activities should be punished accordingly.

ed:

i cant stay mad at you anymore. kisskiss.

1949 - Kim Koo, Korean opposition leaderIn 1949 Kim was assassinated by Ahn Doo-hee in his office. Although some suggest there may have been a right-wing conspiracy to assassinate him in which even president Rhee could have been involved, no details of the assassination have been revealed. Moreover, Ahn Doo-hee was murdered by Kim's follower in 1996, thus further obscuring the prospect of finding the motive of assassination.

1950s - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of more than 200 political figures in West Germany
to be "put out of the way" in the event of a Soviet invasion. Can't touch this.

1950s - Chou En-lai, Prime minister of China, several attempts on his life. 1955 He survived the murder attempt by Taiwanese agent when he went to Bandung. The Taiwanese agents had planted a bomb, MK7 made in America, on a plane that was supposed to be Zhou's plane. Zhou was hospitalized in 1974 for bladder cancer, but continued to conduct work from the hospital, with Deng Xiaoping as the First Deputy Premier, handling most important State Council matters. Zhou died on the morning of January 8, 1976

1950s, 1962 - Sukarno, President of Indonesia. On November 30, 1957, there was a grenade attack against Sukarno when he was visiting a school in Cikini, Jakarta. Six children were killed but Sukarno did not suffer any serious wounds. There were more assassination attempts when he visited Sulawesi in 1962. Stripped of his presidential title by Indonesia's provisional parliament on March 12, 1967, led by A.H. Nasution and remained under house arrest until his death at age 69 in Jakarta in 1970.

1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea. Kim died suddenly of a heart attack in Pyongyang on July 8, 1994, bequeathing the DPRK's mounting crisis to Kim Jong-il.

1953 - Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran. 08/19/53 Mossadegh was tried for treason, and sentenced to three years in prison. Following his release he remained under house arrest until his death in on March 5, 1967.

1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader. On October 2, 1960, he suffered a fatal heart attack in Rome, Italy while on his mission (Cultural Envoy with the rank of Ambassadors Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary on Cultural Mission to Europe and Latin America) and died.

1955 - Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India. Nehru died on 27 May 1964. India's heavy defeat in the war with China, which dimmed his public stature greatly, and affected him greatly both physically and mentally: he felt betrayed by the Chinese, whom he had trusted implicitly and supported in many fora. He died shortly thereafter,

1957 - Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt. In November 1954 Nasser removed Naguib and placed him under house arrest, accusing him of supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and knowing of the attempt on his life in October 1954. Nasser's perfect execution of this speech and his bodyguards' lack of protective action in response to the shots led to speculation that the entire event had been staged. Nasser died of a heart attack on September 28, 1970.

1959, 1963, 1969 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia. King Sihanouk went into self-imposed exile in January 2004, taking up residence in Pyongyang, North Korea, and later in Beijing, China. Citing reasons of ill-health, he announced his abdication of the throne on October 7, 2004.

1960 - Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq. An assassination attempt in 1959 by dedicated pan-Arabists (including Saddam Hussein). A second assassination attempt, motivated by suspected Communist influence and state control over the petroleum sector, was carried out with the backing of the British government and the American CIA in 1963. On 9 February 1963, Qassim was executed after another coup, this one receiving support from pan-Arabist elements who had received support from Egypt.

1950s-70s - José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life. In 1957 an assassination plot by dictator Rafael Leonidas Trujillo (Dominican Republic) was uncovered. No mention of the second attempt. Died 8 June 1990.

1961 - Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, leader of Haiti. Died in 1971. In 1986, 15 years after his death, Duvalier's body was exhumed and ritually beaten to "death".

1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire). 17 January 1961. He was seized by Katangese soldiers commanded by Belgians and driven to Villa Brouwe. He was guarded and brutalized still further by both Belgian and Katangese troops while President Tschombe and his cabinet decided what to do with him.That same night it is said Lumumba was bundled into another convoy that headed into the bush. It drew up beside a large tree. Three firing squads had been assembled, commanded by a Belgian. Another Belgian had overall command of the execution site. Lumumba and two other comrades from the government were lined up against a large tree. President Tschombe and two other ministers were present for the executions, which took place one at a time. Lumumba's corpse was then buried nearby.

1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic. Trujillo was shot dead by members of his own armed forces on May 30, 1961 while traveling in an automobile. There is suspicion that the CIA provided the weapons to the assassins in hopes of creating the possibility of the formation of a less reactionary government,

1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam. Upon hearing that a coup d'etat was being designed by ARVN Generals led by General Dương Văn Minh, the United States gave secret assurances to the general that the U.S. would not interfere. Dương Văn Minh and his fellow plotters overthrew the government and executed President Diệm and his younger brother, Ngo Dinh Nhu, on November 2, 1963. The United States publicly expressed shock and disappointment that Diệm had been killed.

1960s-70s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life. Not going to bother as he's still around

1960s - Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba also still around.

1965 - Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader. During the Winter of 1973, after a few weeks of guerrilla-fighting Balaguer's regular army, having his men being killed off one by one, and not receiving the much hoped-for peasant support, he was wounded and captured, only to be executed later, much like the way Che Guevara met his demise almost six years before in Bolivia.

1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France. He died suddenly in 1970, while in the middle of writing his memoirs. In perfect health until then, it was reported that as he had finished watching the evening news on television and was sitting in his armchair he suddenly said "I feel a pain here", pointing to his neck, just seconds before he fell unconscious due to an aneurysmal rupture. Within minutes he was dead. (I just glanced through the Wikipedia page on de Gaulle and saw nothing about an assassination attemptin 65 or 66, however on August 22, 1962, there was an assassination attempt by the OAS terrorist group.


As you can see most of these men died of natural causes or were assassinated by their own people or opposition forces. I'll look into the rest of the list later. All I did was look up each (except the 200 unnamed Germans) on the Wikipedia site.

Well...TGB is a radical...so he does what he does.

At least he tries to argue back with people instead of blindly agreeing like Stackem does to TGBs comments.

1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader. Testimony by various individuals who were participants in, or witnesses to, events during his final hours indicates that the Bolivian government summarily executed him in order to avoid a public trial and the complications that might arise if he were incarcerated on Bolivian soil.

1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile died of a gunshot wound, under circumstances that remain a matter of dispute, during the violent Chilean coup of 1973.

1970 - Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile was the Commander-in-Chief of the Chilean Army at the time of the 1970 Chilean presidential election, when he was assassinated during a kidnapping attempt. His murder virtually assured Salvador Allende's election by the Chilean Congress two days later.

1970s, 1981 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama. Torrijos' death generated charges and speculation that he was the victim of an assassination plot. For instance, in pre-trial hearings in Miami May, 1991 Noriega's attorney Frank Rubino was quoted as saying "General Noriega has in his possession documents showing attempts to assassinate General Noriega and Mr. Torrijos by agencies of the United States". Those documents were not allowed as evidence in trial, because the presiding judge agreed with the government's claim that their public mention would violate the Classified Information Procedures Act. More recently, former businessman John Perkins [1], alleges in his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, that Torrijos was assassinated by American interests, who had a bomb planted aboard his aircraft. The alleged motive is that some American business leaders and politicians strongly opposed the negotiations between Torrijos and a group of Japanese businessmen led by Shigeo Nagano, who were promoting the idea of a new, larger, sea-level canal for Panama. Manuel Noriega, in America's Prisoner, confirms that these negotiations had evoked an extremely unfavorable response from American circles.

1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence. By the late 1980s his actions started to defy the policies of the United States agencies that helped to put him in power, and he was overthrown and captured by a U.S. invading force, Operation Just Cause, in 1989. He was taken to the United States, tried for drug trafficking, and imprisoned in 1992. He remains imprisoned in a federal prison in Miami, Florida where his daughters and his grandchildren frequently visit. On December 4, 2004, he was moved to an undisclosed Miami hospital after suffering a very minor stroke.

1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire. Mobutu died in September 1997 in exile in Rabat, Morocco, from prostate cancer which had been developing since 1962.

1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica. Michael Manley died on March 6, 1997, the same day as another Caribbean politician, Cheddi Jagan of Guyana.

1980-1986 - Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life. Still living though. Look [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Qaddafi:0abb9]here[/url:0abb9] to learn more about this guy.

1982 - Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran. After eleven days in a hospital for an operation to stop internal bleeding, Khomeini died on Saturday, June 3, 1989

1983 - Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander. January 25 General Ahmed Dlimi, commander of Moroccan forces in the Sahara, dies in a mysterious car-accident after numerous rumors circulate of a coup attempt.

1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua. (born 5 February 1933) was the foreign minister of Nicaragua when the country was ruled by the Sandinista National Liberation Front (1979-1990). This is all I could find on this guy.

1984 - The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate, Huh?

1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt). He was the target of several assassination attempts, a car bombing in 1985 that killed 80 people and is alleged to have been organized by the CIA.

1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq. currently on trial

1993 - Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia. Aidid died on August 1, 1996 possibly as a result of gunshot wounds sustained a week earlier in a fight with competing factions.

1998, 2001-2 - Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant. You have to be kidding.

1999 - Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia. Isn't this guy still on trial.

2002 - Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Afghan Islamic leader and warlord. The United States accuses him of urging the Taliban to re-form and to fight the United States. He is also accused of offering rewards for those who kill U.S. troops. He has been labeled a war criminal by members of the U.S.-backed President Hamid Karzai's government. He is also a suspect behind the September 5, 2002 assassination attempt on Karzai that killed more than a dozen people.

2003 - Saddam Hussein and his two sons. Saddam is still on trial and his boys were killed in battle


Like the first part most were killed by their own, are still alive, died of old age, or were killed in battle.
Im suprised that Ninty even posted this list without researching it first. That is something I'd expect out of Short Hand. Ohh well.

The site says:

"Following is a list of prominent foreign individuals whose assassination (or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since the end of the Second World War."

OBL and Hussein etc are on there because the US had been planning their assissanation. I believe this list was also compiled by the original author before 9/11 because I found two versions. One only went up to 91, and the other had the others. So the list was probably added to. This would also explain the occurances of OBL and Hussein among other on being on the list.

In any case, the list might not be totally accurate, however it still serves the point that assissanation attempts have been carried out by the states without any consequences that I can see. So what's the difference between a Syrian assissanation, and a US assissanation? This is what I was trying to point out.

What I am pointing out is most of these were not American plots at all, I only found about three that fit that bill. This is a list of all political assassinations over the last 50 years and the author is blaming them all on the US. If true it shows that the US couldn't pull off an assassination to save our asses. Do you really think that if the United States government wanted Castro dead, that we would continue to send assassination teams in that can't get the job done?